What about the Millennium ?

[dan p]

Hi to all . My question to all , is this .

1) How will Gentiles be SAVED in the Millennium ?

2) That is , IF you believe in the Millennium ?

 

[Paidion]

Jews, Gentiles ---- all become disciples of Christ in the same way, for the dividing wall has been broken, and all who are Christ's are part of the same "olive tree". To become Christ's disciple, one must forsake the self-life, follow Him, and submit to Him. Why would it be any different during the millenium?

 

[PageOne]

one theory is that the millienium of christianity began when the templars took back jersulalem (somewhere about 1000 ad) and that the millenium is ending in thses days

one scriptural testimony to this is the prophesy that "the blood (of the winepress) will runs as high as the horses bridal"

this prophesy was fulfilled during the siege of jerusalem 1000 years (or so) ago.

many scholars now are agreeing with maya prediction that the world ends in 2012 which completes a cycle of star-precession.

So it ought to be considered by christians that the millenium in over.

 

[dan p]

Hi Pageone . Well , the 12 Apostles were to sit on twelve Thrones judging Israel , so if the Millennium is past , I missed it .

 

[XTruth]

Hi to all . My question to all , is this .

1) How will Gentiles be SAVED in the Millennium ?

2) That is , IF you believe in the Millennium ?

1) The second post was correct. All mortal humans are saved by following Christ...not so much faith needed since He will be ruling on earth. Thus easily disproving the once saved always "belief only keeps saved" theory. Obedience is required to be saved in the future as always has been (Heb.5:9). Many will be damned at the end when Satan is released for a time at the end in order to come against God when He comes down to set up His throne and the holy city here on earth. This also separates the beings who have only been alive during the 1,000 yrs to be proved on who they will serve, just as we are being proved today. God always proves, or tests, to see who are really His.

2)The church age is Rev.2-3
The Rapture of the true church Rev.4:1
The 7 year Tribulation is Rev.6-18
Jesus' 2nd Coming is in Rev.19 with His army of righteous beings (saints and angels)
Rev.20-22 deals with the Millennium and begins the period after that.
So, yes, I believe in the Millennium and I know it hasn't happened because God the Father isn't ruling here in the New Jerusalem, the earth hasn't been renewed by fire (2 Pt.3:10), and nowhere in history has it been recorded that Jesus flew down from heaven on a white hore with tens of thousands of His saints and angels to wipe out an army gathered against Him with the sword of His mouth and fire in His eyes (Rev.19:11-16)....yup, would've remembered hearing something about that.

 

[dan p]

Hi XTruth , since you don';t believe in Saved always saved , would you comment on Eph 2:8 .

1) We are saved by grace ----

2) The word SOZO , saved is in the Greek the Perfect tense, which means a Past action with Continuing Results , which means always SAVED.

2) It is in the Passive Voice , which means that God is doing the saving action to you .

3) It is in the Indictative Mood in Greek , and means that when you were saved , it is a FACT .

4) Now disprove it .

 

[XTruth]

Hi XTruth , since you don';t believe in Saved always saved , would you comment on Eph 2:8 .

1) We are saved by grace ----

2) The word SOZO , saved is in the Greek the Perfect tense, which means a Past action with Continuing Results , which means always SAVED.

2) It is in the Passive Voice , which means that God is doing the saving action to you .

3) It is in the Indictative Mood in Greek , and means that when you were saved , it is a FACT .

4) Now disprove it .

Don't you know that being justified by grace through faith is only the first step? Don't you understand that after that, it is works that keep us justified and not by faith alone (Jas.2:24)? If you'll go to the Apologetics and Theology section, there is a thread about half way down on the first page the is titled about the doctrine of eternal security...my name is listed as the last one to respond in that thread. You'll find your answer there. I'm not changing the subject completely away from the Millennium. Move to there and I will respond if you have questions...but don't do what most do and not even respond to the evidence presented. Please don't jump off to other verses w/o at least responding to that- thanks

 

[shad]

Hi to all . My question to all , is this .

1) How will Gentiles be SAVED in the Millennium ?

Millennium is the time to learn how to love in God's ways. We all will learn to love peacefully, if we don't, we will die, and this is second death. No more chances. This time, people who did not have chance to know God and Jesus will have chance to get to know them and accept them. If they don't, they will perish.

2) That is , IF you believe in the Millennium ?

Yes, I do because it is in the Bible.

 

[Cornelius]

Hi to all . My question to all , is this .

1) How will Gentiles be SAVED in the Millennium ?

Millennium is the time to learn how to love in God's ways. We all will learn to love peacefully, if we don't, we will die, and this is second death. No more chances. This time, people who did not have chance to know God and Jesus will have chance to get to know them and accept them. If they don't, they will perish.

2) That is , IF you believe in the Millennium ?

Yes, I do because it is in the Bible.

Nobody gets to be saved in the millennium. The Bible does not teach that .

Many people will in survive the tribulation AND the wrath of God. But salvation is now past. The Bible tells us clearly the time of the Gentiles have then closed. God will not bring wrath again, nor salvation.
Many people will live on the new Earth. Christians will rule and there will be peace but after a thousand years, God lets satan loose again and guess what? ALL the nations run after him again, because that is still their nature and then God brings the Great White Throne Judgment.

The "second death" are all those who did not participate in 1) the first resurrection and those who were not part of the second coming and the changing "in the twinkling of an eye"

Its called "second death" because God sees those without Him as already dead. Now they get to die a "deeper death" , called the second death (Final)

Mat 8:22 But Jesus saith unto him, Follow me; and leave the dead (unsaved ) to bury their own dead.

 

[shad]

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Nobody gets to be saved in the millennium. The Bible does not teach that .

The Bible does not say anything about the millennium.

Many people will in survive the tribulation AND the wrath of God. But salvation is now past. The Bible tells us clearly the time of the Gentiles have then closed. God will not bring wrath again, nor salvation.

The Bible does not say this either.

Christians will rule and there will be peace but after a thousand years,

All christians? Then who will be ruled by Christians?

God lets satan loose again and guess what? ALL the nations run after him again, because that is still their nature and then God brings the Great White Throne Judgment.

The Bible does not say this either.

The "second death" are all those who did not participate in 1) the first resurrection and those who were not part of the second coming and the changing "in the twinkling of an eye"

Your assumption?

Mat 8:22 But Jesus saith unto him, Follow me; and leave the dead (unsaved ) to bury their own dead.

Jesus is talking about letting secular people to hancle their own problems, and His people go after His Kindom's work.

 

[Cornelius]

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Nobody gets to be saved in the millennium. The Bible does not teach that .

The Bible does not say anything about the millennium.

I know, but it says that the time of the Gentiles comes to a close
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Therefor nobody gets saved in the Millenium

[quote:bah4gp3s]Many people will in survive the tribulation AND the wrath of God. But salvation is now past. The Bible tells us clearly the time of the Gentiles have then closed. God will not bring wrath again, nor salvation.

The Bible does not say this either.

Yes it does, because the overcomers gets to rule the nations:Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:

Christians will rule and there will be peace but after a thousand years,

All christians? Then who will be ruled by Christians?

All the nations that survived the wrath:Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:

God lets satan loose again and guess what? ALL the nations run after him again, because that is still their nature and then God brings the Great White Throne Judgment.

The Bible does not say this either.

It does:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Here is a scripture that shows us the wicked that survived is still alive will live "outside the City"
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Without are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie.

The "second death" are all those who did not participate in 1) the first resurrection and those who were not part of the second coming and the changing "in the twinkling of an eye"

Your assumption?

No, Scripture: Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Everybody who does not overcome will be hurt by the second death.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I am going to take it , you understand why those who changed in the twinkling of an eye will not be hurt and also why the second death will not hurt those who come with the Lord?

Mat 8:22 But Jesus saith unto him, Follow me; and leave the dead (unsaved ) to bury their own dead.

Jesus is talking about letting secular people to hancle their own problems, and His people go after His Kindom's work.[/quote:bah4gp3s]

That is correct and that is what I said. Jesus calls secular people "dead" (That is the first death) Only by repentance do we leave this "death" But for those who stay here, there is another death coming , called the "second death" (they are already in the first death)

 

[shad]

I know, but it says that the time of the Gentiles comes to a close
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Therefor nobody gets saved in the Millenium

It does not say it is Millenium time.

Yes it does, because the overcomers gets to rule the nations:Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:

who will be ruled by them specificly?

All the nations that survived the wrath:Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:

Again, who will be ruled by them?

It does:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

It does not say anything what I asked. satan will be loosed to give chance to people who did not have chance to be tempted by him. God is giving EVERYONE equal privileges and trials.

Here is a scripture that shows us the wicked that survived is still alive will live "outside the City"
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

You are still not answering my question.

The "second death" are all those who did not participate in 1) the first resurrection and those who were not part of the second coming and the changing "in the twinkling of an eye"

You are mixing the verses. They are two different things.

I am going to take it , you understand why those who changed in the twinkling of an eye will not be hurt and also why the second death will not hurt those who come with the Lord?

Again,you are talking about two different things.

That is correct and that is what I said. Jesus calls secular people "dead" (That is the first death) Only by repentance do we leave this "death" But for those who stay here, there is another death coming , called the "second death" (they are already in the first death)

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I am sorry C, but you are mixing so many things which are not related.

 

[Cornelius]

Sorry shad, I can only give you the scriptures and my view on them, in the manner that I already posted. There is really nothing more I can add.

Maybe if you just read it again, knowing that I just tried to give you my best view, and that I took care to relate it to Scripture, then you might find that my intentions are good and that I too, only want the truth. I honor the Word and would not like to add or take away from it. What I have written is my true understanding of it.

your brother
C

 

[shad]

Sorry shad, I can only give you the scriptures and my view on them, in the manner that I already posted. There is really nothing more I can add.

Maybe if you just read it again, knowing that I just tried to give you my best view, and that I took care to relate it to Scripture, then you might find that my intentions are good and that I too, only want the truth. I honor the Word and would not like to add or take away from it. What I have written is my true understanding of it.

your brother
C

Ok C.

Thanks anyway. I just showed you my assumptions about Millennium because there arn't much been said about it.

love,

shad

 

[Elf]

Hi to all . My question to all , is this .

1) How will Gentiles be SAVED in the Millennium ?

2) That is , IF you believe in the Millennium ?

I believe the Millennium is present, in heaven, with Christ. Which consists of Jews and gentiles alike.

 

[Cornelius]

Sorry shad, I can only give you the scriptures and my view on them, in the manner that I already posted. There is really nothing more I can add.

Maybe if you just read it again, knowing that I just tried to give you my best view, and that I took care to relate it to Scripture, then you might find that my intentions are good and that I too, only want the truth. I honor the Word and would not like to add or take away from it. What I have written is my true understanding of it.

your brother
C

Ok C.

Thanks anyway. I just showed you my assumptions about Millennium because there arn't much been said about it.

love,

shad

Maybe God gave us a little on it for a reason ? I am personally trying to study as much as possible , things in the Bible that relates to us now. I just kind of feel such an urgency to know as much as possible about faith and living in Christ and living a holy life. I have really been praying for understanding , so that I am not just reading about those who overcome, but that I would be able to overcome as well. That is something that seems to me to be urgent, because it happens before the millennium. The millennium will look after itself but I must get 100% in the will of God.

your brother
C

 

[shad]

Maybe God gave us a little on it for a reason ? I am personally trying to study as much as possible , things in the Bible that relates to us now. I just kind of feel such an urgency to know as much as possible about faith and living in Christ and living a holy life. I have really been praying for understanding , so that I am not just reading about those who overcome, but that I would be able to overcome as well. That is something that seems to me to be urgent, because it happens before the millennium. The millennium will look after itself but I must get 100% in the will of God.

your brother
C

We certainly should strive to live as holy as we can if we are running the race. We also should strive to understand the prophesy diligently to understand more about God, and preparing to meet Jesus. I believe some servants have gift of prophesy and we should pay attention to those kind of people to see if we can learn from them too, IMO.

love, shad

 

[Cornelius]

Maybe God gave us a little on it for a reason ? I am personally trying to study as much as possible , things in the Bible that relates to us now. I just kind of feel such an urgency to know as much as possible about faith and living in Christ and living a holy life. I have really been praying for understanding , so that I am not just reading about those who overcome, but that I would be able to overcome as well. That is something that seems to me to be urgent, because it happens before the millennium. The millennium will look after itself but I must get 100% in the will of God.

your brother
C

We certainly should strive to live as holy as we can if we are running the race. We also should strive to understand the prophesy diligently to understand more about God, and preparing to meet Jesus. I believe some servants have gift of prophesy and we should pay attention to those kind of people to see if we can learn from them too, IMO.

love, shad

I wholeheartedly agree with you

 

[shad]

It was nice talking to you, C

 

[Cornelius]

Thanks , you too shad !