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What Are You Going to be for Halloween?

LostLamb had asked, "How can we take a Biblical approach to Halloween?"

For the sake of discussion, I'm going to throw out this thought:

Titus 1:10-16 For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.
One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." This testimony is true. For this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith, not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.

To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.


Now, again, I do want to frame this in the context that whatever is not done of faith, is sin. So, if someone truly believes that Halloween is evil or of Satan, then they should not participate. I'm directing this more at those who truly don't see anything but a fun, American tradition, one that is meant to bring joy to kids and to the adults that enjoy seeing them have fun.

In the context above, Paul is writing Titus and addressing a problem common to the first church, the Jewish Christians who were determined that the only way one could be a true Christian was to follow Jewish law. This was a huge issue in the Church, because the Gentiles who converted were comfortable with many things that the Jews were not. Also, the Jews had deeply held convictions that the only way one could truly honor God was by honoring His Law. The first division in the Body of Christ was over whether or not Gentiles had to in effect become Jews when they converted to Christianity. Paul diligently fought hard against such teachings. And, it was in this context of Gentiles serving Christ, but not serving the law of the Jews, that Paul said, "To the pure, all things are pure."

Fast forward to today, and we in the Church are still struggling with this idea that if one doesn't follow what was, mainly in the old testament, a list of do's and don'ts, then one cannot truly be said to be honoring God. Now, granted, if one is trying to actually be a witch and be a Christian at the same time, there is a problem. But, something like Halloween, is seen by most as a fun tradition of kids dressing up in cute costumes and getting candy from the neighbors, something that there is no law against. If in one's heart, one sees this as innocent fun, "pure", then I believe "to the pure, all things are pure".

If the only reason why one is wondering if they should let their kids dress up as Spiderman and go trick or treat, or put up a Christmas tree, or have a basket of candy on the table on Easter morning, is because other Christians are saying "thou shalt not", then there is probably no reason not to go ahead and enjoy the tradition.

If however, the Spirit is convicting one to not participate, then do not do so. Prayerfully examine why the Spirit is bearing such conviction upon you. And, if one is just torn in doubt about the whole thing, then do not do so, until one can either participate with a clear conscience or stand firm in one's conviction.

The one thing I think it is most important though is to remember that we do not have the "law" written in stone, but rather that the Spirit writes His law upon our hearts. This is why, while I myself may be truly convicted about something and must stand upon my conviction, it is NOT up to me to judge a brother or sister in the Lord who has freedom to participate. "I cannot" is OK in these matters. "Thou must not" isn't, unless there is a very clear exhortation in the word regarding the matter.
 
handy said:
The one thing I think it is most important though is to remember that we do not have the "law" written in stone, but rather that the Spirit writes His law upon our hearts. This is why, while I myself may be truly convicted about something and must stand upon my conviction, it is NOT up to me to judge a brother or sister in the Lord who has freedom to participate. "I cannot" is OK in these matters. "Thou must not" isn't, unless there is a very clear exhortation in the word regarding the matter.


Handy,

You should remember that many of His followers are convicted to tell their conviction to the world. I am doing just that.

shad
 
Besides the fact that all these " holidays" are pagan there are other points also if that is not enough.

I dont think we should be legalistic about these things but i do believe in forsaking all these things are dung and loss for Christ. For years we have not celebrated any of these things.

but lets just think about halloween TODAY and forget for a moment the origins even though they are important.

So TODAY what is halloween about?Well on the most innocent appearing level- it is a time for horror movies, where everyone wants to watch and get scared(fear is not of the Spirit of God but is an evil spirit.) children and adults dress up in costumes. maybe your child is only a carebear but they are traversing the streets with others at each door that are demons, serial killers,whores, witches, wizards,magicians,pirates etc etc etc. And whether you are a carebear or a prostitue you are all out there in agreement in the same practice.

Then we take our kids up on scarey porches. made to look haunting, frightful, cobwebby, spooky, but we want this to be fun for them! maybe there are ghosts on the porch! :o

Then we teach them to go and practice extortion! yes little one just learning to talk, along with the toddler and the teenager and the adult all together now! TRICK OR TREAT!

meaning GIVE ME A TREAT OR I WILL GIVE YOU A TRICK! and then our kids become teenagers and they dress up and go with their friends, and destroy other peoples property and teepee houses and trees and cars are egged and things get set on fire and spray painted and o its all just fun! until itis our car with spray paint then what kinda parent does that kid have?? well the same kind we have been- teaching our children since they could talk that if you dont participate in this excersie and give me what i want i will fix you real good with a ttrick.-

So i am wondering where is the christian moral holy part of tthis? and what are we to do in word or deed that we dont do in holiness and faith and love...hmmm :confused
 
How many kids actually understand what trick or treat means? I'm pretty sure most don't even think it means anything. They just say it, becasue its cultureally ingrained that the person will give them candy, thats not extortion.


Also banning the holiday because SOME teens do destructive behavior isn't a good reason. Punish the teens. Take Halloween away, and the kids will find some other way to cause disruption. Curb the behavior, not the holiday.


The whole premise of Halloween is that its a day that you can be what ever you want. Last time I walked down my costume Isle at Walmart, the costumes where mostly cutsey characters from tv shows and movies. The monster, gore, and risky costumes are marketed towards older kids and adults.

We need to stop putting adult reasoning on chilldren. To them a pirate is a person that goes argh and has a peg leg, a were wolf is a dog man that barks at the moon. Don't turn their inisent thoughts into scary or evil thoughts if they aren't there.
 
Lance_Iguana said:
How many kids actually understand what trick or treat means? I'm pretty sure most don't even think it means anything. They just say it, becasue its cultureally ingrained that the person will give them candy, thats not extortion.


Also banning the holiday because SOME teens do destructive behavior isn't a good reason. Punish the teens. Take Halloween away, and the kids will find some other way to cause disruption. Curb the behavior, not the holiday.


The whole premise of Halloween is that its a day that you can be what ever you want. Last time I walked down my costume Isle at Walmart, the costumes where mostly cutsey characters from tv shows and movies. The monster, gore, and risky costumes are marketed towards older kids and adults.

We need to stop putting adult reasoning on chilldren. To them a pirate is a person that goes argh and has a peg leg, a were wolf is a dog man that barks at the moon. Don't turn their inisent thoughts into scary or evil thoughts if they aren't there.
Every teen and adult use to be children. Many things begin as children to appear innocent(not because the act itself was innocent but because the child was too young to know what they are doing is not innocent) but when a child gets a small bit older they understand and already have been practicing this for years. I didnt say ban the holiday, unbeleivers do what they do. But that doesnt mean we should be like them.

Here is another thought. Would Jesus, If he were alive and lived in the united states, have done halloween? OR would he 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. ?


If we believe Jesus would do halloween i am not sure what Jesus we believe in.

If we do not believe Jesus would do halloween, then when did we begin to believe we belong to ourselves?
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
Lance_Iguana said:
How many kids actually understand what trick or treat means? I'm pretty sure most don't even think it means anything. They just say it, becasue its cultureally ingrained that the person will give them candy, thats not extortion.


Also banning the holiday because SOME teens do destructive behavior isn't a good reason. Punish the teens. Take Halloween away, and the kids will find some other way to cause disruption. Curb the behavior, not the holiday.


The whole premise of Halloween is that its a day that you can be what ever you want. Last time I walked down my costume Isle at Walmart, the costumes where mostly cutsey characters from tv shows and movies. The monster, gore, and risky costumes are marketed towards older kids and adults.

We need to stop putting adult reasoning on chilldren. To them a pirate is a person that goes argh and has a peg leg, a were wolf is a dog man that barks at the moon. Don't turn their inisent thoughts into scary or evil thoughts if they aren't there.
Every teen and adult use to be children. Many things begin as children to appear innocent(not because the act itself was innocent but because the child was too young to know what they are doing is not innocent) but when a child gets a small bit older they understand and already have been practicing this for years. I didnt say ban the holiday, unbeleivers do what they do. But that doesnt mean we should be like them.

Here is another thought. Would Jesus, If he were alive and lived in the united states, have done halloween? OR would he 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. ?


If we believe Jesus would do halloween i am not sure what Jesus we believe in.

If we do not believe Jesus would do halloween, then when did we begin to believe we belong to ourselves?

Growing up....my parents issued a single rule when it came to Halloween. I was never allowed to dress as anything evil. For the most part too, I did not trick or treat. I attended Church, yes CHURCH, events. Such as Fall Festivals. Down here....Bible Man, that heroic figure so many little ones watch on television who uses Bible verses and the truth of God's word is coming down here for Halloween.

Is that....wrong?

If I were to one day want to do the same with my son, would I be just another lost cause?
 
LostLamb said:
GodspromisesRyes said:
Lance_Iguana said:
How many kids actually understand what trick or treat means? I'm pretty sure most don't even think it means anything. They just say it, becasue its cultureally ingrained that the person will give them candy, thats not extortion.


Also banning the holiday because SOME teens do destructive behavior isn't a good reason. Punish the teens. Take Halloween away, and the kids will find some other way to cause disruption. Curb the behavior, not the holiday.


The whole premise of Halloween is that its a day that you can be what ever you want. Last time I walked down my costume Isle at Walmart, the costumes where mostly cutsey characters from tv shows and movies. The monster, gore, and risky costumes are marketed towards older kids and adults.

We need to stop putting adult reasoning on chilldren. To them a pirate is a person that goes argh and has a peg leg, a were wolf is a dog man that barks at the moon. Don't turn their inisent thoughts into scary or evil thoughts if they aren't there.
Every teen and adult use to be children. Many things begin as children to appear innocent(not because the act itself was innocent but because the child was too young to know what they are doing is not innocent) but when a child gets a small bit older they understand and already have been practicing this for years. I didnt say ban the holiday, unbeleivers do what they do. But that doesnt mean we should be like them.

Here is another thought. Would Jesus, If he were alive and lived in the united states, have done halloween? OR would he 1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. ?


If we believe Jesus would do halloween i am not sure what Jesus we believe in.

If we do not believe Jesus would do halloween, then when did we begin to believe we belong to ourselves?

Growing up....my parents issued a single rule when it came to Halloween. I was never allowed to dress as anything evil. For the most part too, I did not trick or treat. I attended Church, yes CHURCH, events. Such as Fall Festivals. Down here....Bible Man, that heroic figure so many little ones watch on television who uses Bible verses and the truth of God's word is coming down here for Halloween.

Is that....wrong?

If I were to one day want to do the same with my son, would I be just another lost cause?
These things are between you and God. I did not say people who do halloween are a lost cause but that isnt the point. The point is should we or shouldnt we and based on what. Some people take things more seriously, some people want to go all out 120% some people want to compromise just a little, some want to compromise alot. I am just giving posts here on the subject but what people will or wont do is between them and God.
 
I am very careful about what to practice especially secular traditions and practices, because Jesus says His followers are not of this world.

If we want to be one the the elect, we should watch out what we do or dont do in everything.

We will be judged according to what we have done.

.
 
LostLamb said:
Just another idiot who needs to get off of her high horse.....or soap box.

I wonder why you added this?

Are you you being sarcastic?

Jesus Has super high standard and He tells us to follow Him. We should tell each other to be like Him. Why do you sound so offended about high standard like Jesus? Do you think you archived so high already that you have no room to change?

Some of us are just telling what Jesus says.

.
 
Halloween is what you make of it just like everything else. If you make it an opportunity to get your family together, greet neighbors and children and give them treats, let your kids "pretend" and dress up and get treats and really make it about fellowship I see no harm in it. On the other hand, if you are getting together to kill cats and hang their entrails outside your door as some sort of ritual sacrifice to the Halloween Gods, that is another thing entirely!

Halloween is what you make of it.
 
shad said:
LostLamb said:
Just another idiot who needs to get off of her high horse.....or soap box.

I wonder why you added this?

Are you you being sarcastic?

Jesus Has super high standard and He tells us to follow Him. We should tell each other to be like Him. Why do you sound so offended about high standard like Jesus? Do you think you archived so high already that you have no room to change?

Some of us are just telling what Jesus says.

.

Highly....archived. Offended...by Jesus..... Okay.......
Thank you....thank you....for your thoughts...... with that....I shall bow out. Do not want to upset you or anyone else with my presense.

Nice talking to you...
 
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Jason Goldtrap's Halloween Costume 2009. Falcon Henne aka Balloon Boy
 
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