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What created God?

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Dakota

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Another good question to stew on.

My belief is that the big bang was the birth of God. Its an interesting idea to think about.
 
Yes, it is an interesting point to discuss Dakota.

The Big Bang Theory which Scientists claim could be very much true and it would have birthed by the Spirit of God Himself through His immense power.

IMO God is the Uncreated, Unbegotten and Self-Existent Being without beginning and without end. He is the Alpha and the Omega as the Bible says.
 
Wait a minute, let me tell you a secret" there is no such thing is a big bang.
Man always comes up with some garbage when they cannot answer something.
And one more thing God has no beginning or ending, and our finite minds are not equipped to grasp that. The big bang theory, is just that a theory.
 
Lewis W said:
Wait a minute, let me tell you a secret" there is no such thing is a big bang.
Man always comes up with some garbage when they cannot answer something.
And one more thing God has no beginning or ending, and our finite minds are not equipped to grasp that. The big bang theory, is just that a theory.

Just as man used the bible to say the earth was flat, then used the bible to say that the earth was the center of the universe, and much more. Man couldn't answer it, so they looked at the bible, and thought they had answers, when, they didnt.

By the way, The theory of gravity, is just a theory, so hold on tight lewis, you never knwo when your goign to float away :-P

as for dakota, I look at it as "what created the universe?" I can either say "it always was, and always will be" or I can say "God did it" in which case, I have to ask mroe questions, and try to solve that mystery, which boils down to "it always was, and always will be" I, along with msot scientists, have decided there is no reason to add in a whole nother step, that has no proof or nothin associated with it, so it is useless.
 
The question contradicts the definition of God. If God is created he is not eternal. Further there is something that created him that is more powerful than he. Time and space are created by God. God is outside of them and not created but eternal. The spirit world does not depend on material creation and existed before any big bang or whatever might have been the spark of the universe. However God chose to do it.
 
Heathen' er I mean excuse me er peace4all :D :-D the Bible has aways maintained that the earth was a circle, if I can remember correctly it is in Isaiah .
 
Yet, the catholic church insisted it was flat.

Daniel 4:7-8, "I saw a tree of great height at the center of the world. It was large and strong, with its top touching the heavens, and it could be seen from the ends of the earth."
would make you believe that the earth has corners

Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence...."
again, would make the earth need to be flat (or all kingdoms on earth, including south america etc, to be centralized clsoe enough to see)

Genesis 1:6-7, "Let there be a dome to divide the water and to keep it in two separate places... and it was done. So Godmade a dome, and it separated the water under it from the water above it."
woudl assume the world was flat but circular


and, if you read scripture completly (liek i get in trouble for not doign so often

issaih states

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Isaiah is actually describing the Earth as flat and circular, with a dome-shaped tent (sky) covering the land.
and then later

…the earth is turned upside down to scatter its inhabitants.
 Isaiah 24:1, KJV

and, who could forget revelations
7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
 
Yet, the catholic church insisted it was flat.

Perhaps you would like to back this claim up with a decree by a Council or an encyclical or bull by a pope? Yes, some Catholics believed the earth was flat but it was NEVER an official or even semi-official Church teaching. You can try to prove otherwise if you wish. Otherwise stop slandering. Stop slandering God as well.
 
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The question....
What created God or,
What is God Made of?

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Reminds me of the person who gets an alarm clock from the store
in order to be able to wake up on time for some important events they planned. But the person, once they get that clock home from the store stares at it and says, my what a beautiful piece of work..... I wonder what it's made out of and how it ticks? So they commence to take the screws out of it (hence the term, you've got some screws loose :lol: ) and, they open up the back of it and see all these things that are connected to each other and they then try to look and see what happens if they take this one part and disconnect it to examine it. and then they take some other part to examine it, and so forth and so on.... and the next thing they know, (once they have come out of their intense form of curiosity) they discovered they have destroyed their clock and didn't put it back together as it originally was made. They now must start all over again and go to the store to purchase a new clock.

(you'll see what I'm getting at when you finish reading this post. :wink: )

So then, while keeping the above in mind..... ponder this....

If the Big Bang was the start of life, Which I doubt. Because in my opinion, the Big Bang is just a result of the material exploding that was already in existence. Even so, Stars, gases, planets, etc., the very act of something blowing up is of a material substance, elements. Elements, Materials are things OF God, not God in itself, but God is that which creates the material.

The word of God is spirit. God is spirit.

Now the question then has nothing to do with the material, but with the "things unseen" (Spirit) .

Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

We are taught in the bible that The word of God manifest the material through faith.

The faith in God is what stems from things brought into Being.

His being IS. He is the I AM THAT I AM. "creation itself."

God puts the breathe in life in all things. "Breath" is of the Spirit.


vinc pretty much wrapped it up by saying "Self-Existent Being without beginning and without end. He is the Alpha and the Omega as the Bible says."

The so called spark of life that some say from out of the Big Bang, IS FROM God. The Big Bang is a product of God. Nova's explode, but that doens't mean they are the cause of life or that the One Big One was the cause of life. Again, vinc, says it well.... "birthed by the Spirit of God "


So then.....
Explain the origin of Spirit..... The Alpha

It's all too complicated.....
If the essence of Spirit is Energy, this type of energy is invisible.... But then, through the all wonderful microscopes man has made, we can see energy is made visible to the eye. However, we only find bits and pieces of the essence of energy. Energy which is of God's own "creation".

To understand the whole of His BEING..... Well really, wouldn't you think only God holds that secret?.

I would think that all us humans can do is just bring up a bunch of
"Quirks" . :wink: and click: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/everything.htmlquarks, and strings and who knows click: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/scale.html what else will be found within the confines of those microscopes as they improve in the technology of them.
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Quantum physics is all we as humans can use to delve into the click: http://www.msnbc.com/news/201650.asp?cp1=1 microscopics of the elements.
But, who can actually see the Spirit or truly understand the faith from which manifests the "things material"?
Is the essence of God for us to know?

( Keep in mind that story about taking the clock apart to find out what it is made of.... :wink: )

In doing research such as this wanting to know what God is made of, ... I would advise to not get away from the basics of what God teaches us about our human nature vs. the indwelling 'Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus' in those who have accepted Him as Lord and "Savior".
You might wonder why I would bring up such a thing? Well, that story about taking apart clocks has much to say.

And,
Don't forget..... it is science that helped man see how to create the Bomb.
Greed causes sooo much trouble.

Science is just the microscope to what is going on about this world.
The Love of God is the Key to what will be.

We need to be very careful in the sciences pertaining to the Psychologies and the Physics. Delving in the wrong directions takes one AWAY from God not towards God. The Psychologies are proof enough for that, as well as the many forms of idolatries in different religions and "meditations" New Age thinking can really mess you up. New Age thinking takes the mind in so many weird directions to only come back to wondering.... what was that all about. :lol:
So be careful that in wanting to know what God is made of.... you don't find yourself wrapped up in a bunch of nonsense like such things as New age consciousness type mindset, or religions that are nothing but false teaching that take you into nothing but the same old starting point from which you started, circles of confusion. Too much searching to know what God is made of instead of wanting to know How God works through us can lead you in the wrong directions.

Notice how the articles in this web site http://www.wie.org/consciousness/?ppc=unb-yh-cons are both informative from a scientific perspective in regards to the material, as well as some of them being misleading from a psychological perspective, in that many of the researches are delving into mystics of other religions in order to figure out the essence of and in all things.

Christianity IS not so misleading as these others. Inquiring minds look to strange gods and that only takes them away from the One True God. To abide In Christ is to know enough of God. What more can you ask for?

Can the science become an Idol that leads men away from God's purpose for man?
Yes, I would think so, not in all, but yes, in far too many cases.

Science, the studies of Psychologies and the Physiologies, of it all, sometimes can, and sad to say in far too many cases, is helping man to create monsters, both of the mental and of the physical type!
The Spirit of God is helping man to tame the beast! We must not stray from the purpose we are here... And that is, not to figure out what God is made of, but to learn what we are made for.


God Bless. :fadein:


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Thess, How do I question God with out "slander" if i ever question, to you it is immediately slander. I nevermkae jokes about God, I never make rude remarks. I even try to steer away from pointing out the murder of babies in the bible. Merely using the bible against itself, should not be slander.

of coruse, they jsut basically house arrested galilleo because you know, they agreed with what he said about the earth being spherical, and moving, and such.
 
peace4all said:
Thess, How do I question God with out "slander" if i ever question, to you it is immediately slander. I nevermkae jokes about God, I never make rude remarks. I even try to steer away from pointing out the murder of babies in the bible. Merely using the bible against itself, should not be slander.

of coruse, they jsut basically house arrested galilleo because you know, they agreed with what he said about the earth being spherical, and moving, and such.

The Galileo controversy was not about the world being flat. Sorry. It was about heliocentrism. Some of his work on it was wrong. Now do show where the Church proclaimed the earth to be flat. We can discuss Galileo more when you do.
 
In my opinion, God was ever existent and always around.
I think that the Big Bang is true though, and God caused it to happen, and from that life began...
 
Dalen Naskiel said:
In my opinion, God was ever existent and always around.
I think that the Big Bang is true though, and God caused it to happen, and from that life began...
Well I got news for you. You are wrong.
 
The bible was written by men just like you and me Lewis. And like you said before Lewis "Man always comes up with some garbage when they cannot answer something". That's why I choose to believe certain parts of the bible, and choose not to believe other parts of it. Some people that wrote the bible might have just had theories, just like the ones who came up with the Big Bang.

Lastly, i'm prepared for the flaming i'm gonna recieve from that post :)
 
Dalen Naskiel said:
The bible was written by men just like you and me Lewis. And like you said before Lewis "Man always comes up with some garbage when they cannot answer something". That's why I choose to believe certain parts of the bible, and choose not to believe other parts of it. Some people that wrote the bible might have just had theories, just like the ones who came up with the Big Bang.

Lastly, i'm prepared for the flaming i'm gonna recieve from that post :)

1Co 3:18-21 LITV Let no one deceive himself. If anyone thinks to be wise among you in this age, let him become foolish, that he may become wise. (19) For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it has been written, "He takes the wise in their own craftiness." Job 5:13 (20) And again, "The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are worthless." LXX-Psa. 93:11; MT-Psa. 94:11 (21) So let no one glory in men; for all things are yours,

2Ti 3:16 LITV All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2Pe 1:21 LITV for prophecy was not at any time borne by the will of man, but being borne along by the Holy Spirit, holy men of God spoke.

The Bible wasn't written by men, it was written by God, men who refuse to believe this always come up with the garbage in an attempt to declare their sin as good. You may choose to believe the parts you want and ignore the rest but I hope you realize that when you do that you are denying God and showing your own foolishness.

Joh 1:1 LITV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 
Dalen Naskiel said:
The bible was written by men just like you and me Lewis. And like you said before Lewis "Man always comes up with some garbage when they cannot answer something". That's why I choose to believe certain parts of the bible, and choose not to believe other parts of it. Some people that wrote the bible might have just had theories, just like the ones who came up with the Big Bang.

Lastly, i'm prepared for the flaming i'm gonna recieve from that post :)
If you have a problem with Genesis 1:1 you will have a problem with the rest of the Bible. Taking only versus that you think are credible is not good at all.
Because what you really are doing is saying that the Bible is corrupt and that God's book has lies all over it.
 
I'm saying I do believe in Genisis, to a certain aspect, and think that God created the big bang to make the Earth. The heavens though aren't particularly on this plane of existance, so the Big Bang didn't create Heaven.
 
Well then, I guess me and Jesus don't completly agree on some of the earlier subjects of the bible...
 
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