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What do Born Again Believers call themselves?

I know the priests in the temple wore clothes and ate food and worked at their job. They would have driven cars if there had them back there.

When I say worldly, I am not talking about normal things people in the world do. I'm talking about ungodly things people do.
James 3:15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

I'm talking about thing we do to look or make people think we are cool. Like Mr. T with all his gold junk he wore. Like a lot of celebrities now who are having stuff done to their teeth. The Hells Angels stood out because of their tattoo's.

3 John 1:11 Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good.

Everybody cuts their hair. But the kid who goes into the barber shop and tells the barber to make my hair so I look like the Fonzy on Happy Days, is being vain - Excessive pride in one's appearance: Antonyms: humility

I'm not saying that if you already have tattoos you have to get rid of them. But for a person who is already a Christian and wants to do everything to the glory of God, I can't see him lusting to get a tattoo. Self-control and humility are a fruit of the Spirit. I also can't see a Christian man getting one to please his wife or kids.

Mat 10:37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Taking that to a conclusion.

Cars of the time of "fonzi barbarelli" were works of art and utility with varying degrees of luxury. A truck was an exception.

Today trucks seldom are simply built as work trucks. Homes then were similar and now a days can be ornate , luxurious to simple cookie cutter homes with zero lot lines

Gardens can be grown for ornates or produce my wife has made my yard the former and we are known for it ..

Some Christmas displays are vain others are not but are grandiose. It's a big broad brush to lump that all as vanity .



That's my voice ,my step daughter and the girls voice is my grandchild. My wife was there as well.

My grandchild called house the singing house .the community each Christmas Eve will sing Christmas carols and light candles along the curb at midnight and so large is that ,NASA has said we can see those candles make a line of the road shape at mid night

Last month the owner was already installing the lights and had the sign ready .he broadcasts the music you heard .

I have plenty photos of that house and others during the holidays .
 
It's a big broad brush to lump that all as vanity
Ecclesiastes 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. :Vgame_

Ecclesiastes 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. :shapya
 
Ecclesiastes 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. :Vgame_

Ecclesiastes 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. :shapya
So work .

Work that many do is vain ...


It's very vain to paint walls around property .

Or to cookie cutter ,same color homes with one or two designs .no trees ,no difference at all.

I can post photos .I was in one such hoa .no trees at all .

My context was not that way only that one can be artistic in ones house and why pray for a home if each room is to be only minimal in nature ?

It's not a sin to have a personal touch of family photos ,a scenery ,or personal touch inside or outside .

That videos home is quite unassuming without the lights .

I use that house as a reference for the route it's on .I see it and punch it in heading east .zig zagging along the way getting reads on a very boring mundane job . utilities so old they are mostly lead pipes past the meter on many homes on that route .

I left the job and it was my first route and I found all the meters where I left them and those are old boxes. Electric days it's pre 240 and it's 308 on the old homes.thar house was converted when it was razed to a few walls and rebuilt . The second floor is an addition.
 
And, again, Scripture nowhere prohibits a born-again believer from having a tattoo
Well, Scripture nowhere prohibits a born-again believer from diving 150 mph through a school zone.

It seems that these "we're not under law but under grace" people think that I can do anything and you are a Pharisee or joyless Puritan if you say anything about it.

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.

1 Co 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

This is the NIV
12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything.

Everything you do will have an effect on others around you.
1 John 3:16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Laying down your life. Laying down your rights = I can do this, but what effect will it have on my neighbors, my Church friends.
 
Tenchi said:
You might want to familiarize yourself with the Genetic Fallacy. Though, you write here in a way that makes me suspect not even logic will change your view on the "bloodletting ritual" that you think is tattooing. Oh, and Christians are not subject to the various laws of separation under which the OT Israelites lived. Also, the verse from Leviticus doesn't say anything about a "spirit behind bloodletting, or that tattooing has such a connection. Why are you going beyond the statement of the verse?
I'll spell it all out for you.

I have a tattoo, a military image. I got it back in the mid-1970's, before tat's were mainstream. I have since become saved, have confessed it and repented of it and have been forgiven.

For the past 10+ years, I have been active with a deliverance ministry. I since have learned that tat's are gateways, portals, for demonic influence.

The life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev. 17:11 - oops! there's that pesky OT again!), so of course the precious blood would be under "genetic" attack to this day. The tattoo process involves piercing the body with a needle thousands of times, during which blood flows. It takes days for the site to stop "weeping." It has nothing to do with what I might "think," rather the proof is in the pudding. Thus, tat's are a BLOODLETTING RITUAL and, on that basis alone, they give demons legal access. Doesn't matter what the image is, doesn't matter that you had "good intentions." Regarding the "various [OT] laws of separation" claim, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

The root of that sin ("tatt's") goes to the same sin that led to the fall of Satan - pride (Eze. 28:17) - the same fault that flavors your beliefs about tattoos.

Likewise with "piercings." Openings into the body (eyes, ears, nose, etc.) were considered to be access points for demons (and they are), so folks, rather than wielding the armor of God, would "guard" their orifices with objects/jewelry (with much of it consecrated, ignorantly or otherwise, to Satan e.g. "Sarah's Coven Coventry"). Rather, Abstain from all appearance of evil (1 The. 5:22)

Bringing the enemy's tactic to the present time, tattoo ink has been found to contain nanotechnology - the same nanotech that is found in the "vaccines"/injectables. [I hope people are now seeing that the whole purpose of the so-called "COVID vaccine" was to deliver life-destroying, self-assembling, wireless technology into the human body, the temple of God, so that those who receive the "vaccine" in its various disguises can be remotely mind-controlled or instantly killed with a simple change in frequency coming from their cell phones or from a tower. Satan is the prince of the power of the air; IOW, he has authority over what is transmitted through the air (for a season), and that includes pernicious EMF's.]

If you have a tat, simply confess your disobedience to God, repent (i.e. turn away from that sin, detest it), and ask for forgiveness. Thus, the demons lose their right to oppress. Once you are forgiven, expel the demon yourself in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus himself simply said, "Get out." It's not difficult, but it's not taught these days, so listen up. This is part of the believer's sanctification process, as men in bondage make poor witnesses.

The solution can never be a worldly one and is always a spiritual one.

jasonc said:
Work that many do is vain ...
Indeed.
 
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Whatever said:
To me getting a tattoo is being part of the world. It is a fleshly lust. It would be like drawing graffiti on a wall of the temple.
Exactly.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (1 Cor 6:19)

I don't wish to derail the OP, so here's my take on it:

"Christian" is a mere label; whereas believer is an action.

Claiming such label would be a declension, a step down, from standing as a believer in or follower of Jesus Christ. I challenge brethren often about using the name of Jesus Christ in their witness, rather than the once-removed politically-correct label of "Christian." I have even seen people manifest at the mention of Jesus. Fact is, in the Holy Bible, you will never find a man of God calling another man of God, "Christian."

How and when was the word "Christian" first used? The term 'Christian' was used to describe a follower of Christ in terms of the world, from the world’s point of view. The pagans at Antioch called the apostles "Christians" first (Acts 11:26; 26:28) and used it derogatorily because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians. Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.

The servants of Christ belong to the kingdom of God. If you do not belong to a certain kingdom, you are labeled or named by that kingdom to be of another kingdom. For example, people in the continent (kingdom) of North America call those from the continent (kingdom) of South America, South Americans; from Asia, Asians; from Africa, Africans; from Europe, Europeans. But South Americans don’t call themselves South Americans, Asians don’t call themselves Asians. Africans don’t call themselves Africans, and Europeans don’t call themselves Europeans. Do North Americans call themselves North Americans? When you introduce yourself to somebody, do you say, "Hi! I’m a North American!" No, you don’t, because those from the same kingdom do not place labels on themselves or others. If you are a constituent of a Kingdom, you do not name one in the same Kingdom any thing; but you call them according to the relation between the two of you (brother, sister, mother, father, workman, labourer, minister, bishop, deacon, etc). And who establishes the relation? The Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22, James 4:12).

The term "Christian" was imposed upon the servants of Christ by Christ’s enemies living outside the Kingdom of God, to label those living in the Kingdom of God. Servants of Christ should not call themselves Christians, since this would imply that we are not from the Kingdom of God. Just like someone in Asia would not call themselves ‘Asians’, those living in Christ should not call themselves ‘Christians,’ because it would give the impression to others that you are from a different kingdom.

1 John 4:5, "They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world…"

As scripture says, those who are of the world speak of the world, and use the words of the world. By using the words of the world, or by using the words of another kingdom, you identify yourself as being of that kingdom. And, since the word "Christian" is a term of the world, it might be best to use the words of God to describe us.

Here are a few references:

"Christian: A follower of the religion of Christ [Note carefully that Christ never started a religion - John 7:16]. It is probable that the name Christian, like that of Nazarenes and Galileans, was given to the disciples of our Lord in reproach or contempt. What confirms this opinion is, that the people of Antioch in Syria, Acts 11:26, where they were first called Christians observed by Zosimus, Procopius, and Zonaras, to have been remarkable for their scurrilous jesting. Some have indeed thought that this name was given by the disciples to themselves; others, that it was imposed on them by divine authority; in either of which cases we should have met with it in the subsequent history of the Acts, and in the Apostolic Epistles, all of which were written some years after; whereas it is found but in two more places in the New Testament, Acts 26:28, where a Jew is the speaker, and in 1 Peter 4:16, where reference appears to be made to the name as imposed on them by their enemies. The word used, Acts 11:26, signifies simply to be called or named, and when Doddridge and a few others take to imply a divine appointment, they disregard the usus loquendi [established acceptation of the term] which gives no support to that opinion. The words Tacitus, when speaking of the Christians persecuted by Nero, are remarkable, ‘vulgus Christianos appellabat,’ ‘the vulgar call them Christians.’ Epiphanius says, that they were called Jesseans, either from Jesse, the father of David, or, which is much more probable, from the name of Jesus, whose disciples they were. They were denominated Christians, A. D. 42 or 43; and though the name was first given reproachfully, they gloried in it, as expressing their adherence to Christ, and they soon generally accepted it." Richard Watson, Watson’s Bible Dictionary (1832), p. 233.

"Cristianos, Christian: a word formally not after the Greek but after the Roman manner, denoting attachment to or adherents to Christ. Only occurs as used by others of them, not by Christians of themselves. Tacitus (A.D. 96) says (Annals 15, 44), ‘The vulgar call them Christians. The author or origin of this denomination, Christus, had, in the reign of Tiberius been executed by the procurator, Pontius Pilate.’" Ethelbert William Bullinger, A Critical Lexicon and Concordance of the English and Greek New Testament (1908), p. 152.

"This name (Christian) occurs but three times in the New Testament, and is never used by Christians of themselves, only as spoken by or coming from those without the church. The general names by which the early Christians called themselves were ‘brethren,’ ‘disciples,’ ‘believers,’ and ‘saints.’ The presumption is that the name ‘Christian’ was originated by the heathen." Thomas W. Doane, Bible Myths (1882), page 567, note 3.

"The name (Christian) given by the Greeks or Romans, probably in reproach, to the followers of Jesus. It was first used at Antioch." Easton’s Bible Dictionary.

"Egypt, which you commanded to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about every breath of fame. The worshippers of Serapis (here) are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find), call themselves Bishops of Christ." The Emperor Adrian to Servianus, written A.D. 134.

If you go to Zodhiates Word Studies, he tells you that when they were called Christians at Antioch, using the word ‘crematezo,’ it was a "divine warning." In other words, be forewarned, avoid this word and the use of it. And that’s what the apostles did. You will never read any of these New Testament writers using the term ‘christian’ to describe themselves.

P.S. If you want to experience a quantum leap in the effectiveness of your witness, drop the socially-safe and PC "Christian" label and rather go with "Jesus Christ." Then stand ready for the fireworks!
 
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[Note carefully that Christ never started a religion - John 7:16]
Well, actually He kind of did. He was the messenger of the New Covenant. The "religion" that brought Jews and Gentiles together into one body, contrary to the old covenant religion.
 
It's not a sin to have a personal touch of family photos ,a scenery ,or personal touch inside or outside .
I don't think that is what Ecclesiastes was talking about. He was talking about "in the end."

King Solomon did a heck of a lot of stuff to be proud of. But now, what is he gaining from that?
Jesus said: Mat 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

One of the last things we read about Solomon was that he did not endure to the end.

1Kings 11:4 For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the LORD his God, as was the heart of his father David.
1Kings 11:6 Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not fully follow the LORD, as did his father David.
1Kings 11:7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon.
1Kings 11:8 And he did likewise for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods.

I think there is reason to doubt that Solomon ever made it to Heaven. Even if he did, the whole kingdom was torn apart by his sons.
And now, here on Earth, the temple he built is gone, nobody knows where all his gold is hidden. He and all he did is just a interesting memory.
 
If you go to Zodhiates Word Studies, he tells you that when they were called Christians at Antioch, using the word ‘crematezo,’ it was a "divine warning." In other words, be forewarned, avoid this word and the use of it. And that’s what the apostles did. You will never read any of these New Testament writers using the term ‘christian’ to describe themselves.
One Apostle that wrote in the New Testament said this .

13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
 
I don't think that is what Ecclesiastes was talking about. He was talking about "in the end."

King Solomon did a heck of a lot of stuff to be proud of. But now, what is he gaining from that?
Jesus said: Mat 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

One of the last things we read about Solomon was that he did not endure to the end.

1Kings 11:4 For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the LORD his God, as was the heart of his father David.
1Kings 11:6 Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not fully follow the LORD, as did his father David.
1Kings 11:7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon.
1Kings 11:8 And he did likewise for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods.

I think there is reason to doubt that Solomon ever made it to Heaven. Even if he did, the whole kingdom was torn apart by his sons.
And now, here on Earth, the temple he built is gone, nobody knows where all his gold is hidden. He and all he did is just a interesting memory.
But the fact is we can enjoy Gods creation.

Marriage isnt a sin.

My wife has never heard of nor her dad the great grandson of the patriarch who came to Florida and pioneered starke ,Florida .
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That's not that long ago .

Ed,roger ,tom ,my wife Ed is the son of John .
 
I posted this previously:
Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians....

...You will never read any of these New Testament writers using the term ‘christian’ to describe themselves.
...and hawkman replied with this:
"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."

First of all, keep in mind this is the one and only place in the entire scripture this word is used by any man of God. Secondly, Peter did not label the followers of Christ a "Christian" in the passage. Read it again, very carefully. He said they were to be "as a Christian." This is very important. The word as means "like or similar to," but it does not mean one is that word. For example:
  1. Genesis 49:9, "...he couched as a lion," does not mean Judah was a lion when he couched!

  2. Exodus 15:5, "...they sank into the bottom as a stone," does not mean they were a stone when they sank.

  3. Matthew 17:20, "...If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed," does not mean faith is a mustard seed.

  4. Matthew 23:37, "...gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens," does not mean God's children were chickens.

  5. Ephesians 5:25, "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ," does not mean husbands are Christ when they love their wives.
And, therefore:

1 Peter 4:16, "Yet if any man suffer as a Christian," does not mean man is a Christian when they suffer.

When someone is "as" something else, it does not mean one is that something. It means we are similar, in some way, to that name, but we are not literally that name. You see, the heathens are the ones who called the followers of Christ "Christians" (Acts 11:26; 26:28). When Peter was referring to the title "Christian, " it is in the context of suffering, and is in reference to the name as imposed upon them by their enemies, because our enemies want us to suffer.
 
When Peter was referring to the title "Christian, " it is in the context of suffering, and is in reference to the name as imposed upon them by their enemies, because our enemies want us to suffer.
Christ knew this was going to happen . Take up your cross and follow me , Jesus said that . Suffering for His name applied to YOU and ME , ALL Christians .

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Rather, it's a declension - a step down - from what a follower of Christ is. It's a comfortable, politically-correct label we us in public when we are afraid to witness boldly, and when we don't want to "offend" anyone. It's a label used by those of the world and thus is not of Christ.
Which is it as you said " the name as imposed upon them by their enemies , because our enemies want us to suffer ." ?
Or is it a "comfortable politically correct label " ?

There are many places in the world you can visit and if you proclaim you are a Christian be ready to suffer .
 
Taking that to a conclusion.

Cars of the time of "fonzi barbarelli" were works of art and utility with varying degrees of luxury. A truck was an exception.

Today trucks seldom are simply built as work trucks. Homes then were similar and now a days can be ornate , luxurious to simple cookie cutter homes with zero lot lines

Gardens can be grown for ornates or produce my wife has made my yard the former and we are known for it ..

Some Christmas displays are vain others are not but are grandiose. It's a big broad brush to lump that all as vanity .



That's my voice ,my step daughter and the girls voice is my grandchild. My wife was there as well.

My grandchild called house the singing house .the community each Christmas Eve will sing Christmas carols and light candles along the curb at midnight and so large is that ,NASA has said we can see those candles make a line of the road shape at mid night

Last month the owner was already installing the lights and had the sign ready .he broadcasts the music you heard .

I have plenty photos of that house and others during the holidays .
I was at that house early in the route .
 
I'll spell it all out for you.

I have a tattoo, a military image. I got it back in the mid-1970's, before tat's were mainstream. I have since become saved, have confessed it and repented of it and have been forgiven.

Uh huh.

For the past 10+ years, I have been active with a deliverance ministry. I since have learned that tat's are gateways, portals, for demonic influence.

Says who? The Bible doesn't.

And even if some tattoos serve a demonic purpose it by no means follows that all tattoos do. To think otherwise, to think that because some tattoos are demonic in purpose all tattoos must be is glaringly fallacious reasoning (over-generalization, guilt by association, non sequitur).

The life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev. 17:11 - oops! there's that pesky OT again!), so of course the precious blood would be under "genetic" attack to this day. The tattoo process involves piercing the body with a needle thousands of times, during which blood flows.

Heart surgery involves the loss of so much of a person's blood, they often require a blood transfusion. In fact, most major surgeries entail a lot of bleeding. Dental work induces bleeding. So, does just plain hard work, sometimes.

It has nothing to do with what I might "think," rather the proof is in the pudding. Thus, tat's are a BLOODLETTING RITUAL and, on that basis alone, they give demons legal access.

Again, this is just a glaring non sequitur. As I just pointed out, medical/dental procedures involve "bloodletting" as does hard work, boxing, skateboarding, and surfing in shark infested waters. Do these all give demons "legal access" to a person? Where is this written? Not in the Bible, which is THE text on spiritual truth. In fact, this is not said about tattoos, either, in the Bible.

Doesn't matter what the image is, doesn't matter that you had "good intentions."

I'm afraid your merely saying so doesn't make it so.

The root of that sin ("tatt's") goes to the same sin that led to the fall of Satan - pride (Eze. 28:17) - the same fault that flavors your beliefs about tattoos.

Nope. Just asserting a thing doesn't make it true.

Likewise with "piercings." Openings into the body (eyes, ears, nose, etc.) were considered to be access points for demons (and they are), so folks, rather than wielding the armor of God, would "guard" their orifices with objects/jewelry (with much of it consecrated, ignorantly or otherwise, to Satan e.g. "Sarah's Coven Coventry"). Rather, Abstain from all appearance of evil (1 The. 5:22)

Come on, now. This is silly. Nowhere in the Bible does God ever warn us that all the orifices He created us with are avenues for demonic possession. And whatever ancient superstitions there may once have been has no bearing on how we ought to think about the matter of demonic possession today. God does not want anyone possessed of a demon, but He said absolutely nothing about guarding our nostrils or anuses from demonic infiltration. Ridiculous.

Bringing the enemy's tactic to the present time, tattoo ink has been found to contain nanotechnology - the same nanotech that is found in the "vaccines"/injectables.

Says who?

[I hope people are now seeing that the whole purpose of the so-called "COVID vaccine" was to deliver life-destroying, self-assembling, wireless technology into the human body, the temple of God, so that those who receive the "vaccine" in its various disguises can be remotely mind-controlled or instantly killed with a simple change in frequency coming from their cell phones or from a tower. Satan is the prince of the power of the air; IOW, he has authority over what is transmitted through the air (for a season), and that includes pernicious EMF's.]

Oh, good grief. Really? You must be one bored dude.

By the way, did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? Look it up.

Thus, the demons lose their right to oppress.

Says who? Not God in His word.

Once you are forgiven, expel the demon yourself in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus himself simply said, "Get out." It's not difficult, but it's not taught these days, so listen up.

Oh, brother.

Acts 19:13-16
13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.”
14 Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this.
15 But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”
16 And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
 
Hi 232 Ben Yissachar

I don't think it really matters what those whose names will be found written in the Lamb's Book of Life call themselves. With God it has always been what each one's heart believes about Jesus, and then establish in their hearts to follow after him. Even those who align themselves as Isreal's children of Abraham.
 
miamited posted:
I don't think it really matters...
The point is, if you want to experience a quantum leap in the effectiveness of your witness, drop the socially-safe and PC "Christian" denominational label and rather go with "Jesus Christ."
 
miamited posted:

The point is, if you want to experience a quantum leap in the effectiveness of your witness, drop the socially-safe and PC "Christian" denominational label and rather go with "Jesus Christ."
Thanks RedPill but I'm not about to blaspheme Jesus and go about claiming to be him. And, for the record, 'Christian' is not a denominational label. According to the Scriptures, that name came about first in Antioch when people were referring to this new group of people who were claiming to believe in, and follow after, Jesus. There were no denominations when the gospel was first preached in the book of Acts.
 
miamited posted:
Thanks RedPill but I'm not about to blaspheme Jesus and go about claiming to be him.
Using the phrase "Jesus Christ" in one's witness does not mean one is claiming to be him. Whew!

miamited posted:
...that name ["Christian"] came about first in Antioch when people were referring to this new group of people...
The "people" who used it were unbelievers. As thoroughly documented in this forum previously, "Christian" was used by these unbelievers as a form of derision in describing followers of Jesus Christ i.e. "this new group of people."
 
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Hi RedPill

Wasn't your question about what do born again believers call themselves? Sure, I speak of Jesus when I spread the gospel, but I don't call myself Jesus when I spread the gospel. That's what your question was.

While it may or may not be true that only unbelievers called the new followers 'christians', I doubt that you could prove that they didn't sometimes refer to themselves as christians. God's testimony to us merely says that 'they' were first called christians in Antioch. It doesn't then make any provable point that they never referred to themselves as such. That would be an assumption on your part. And nevertheless, it still wouldn't be a 'denominational label' as was your claim. God bless.

Oh, and you may want to read 1Peter 4:16.
 
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