What do Born Again Believers call themselves?

[RedPill]

miamited posted:

I don't call myself Jesus when I spread the gospel. That's what your question was.

No, it was not.

 

[miamited]

What do Born Again Believers call themselves?​

It's literally the title of your thread. And it is written as a question. Did you not write your own title?

 

[RedPill]

Pls post the quote where I said that I call myself Jesus.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Whatever said:

Exactly.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (1 Cor 6:19)

I don't wish to derail the OP, so here's my take on it:

"Christian" is a mere label; whereas believer is an action.

Claiming such label would be a declension, a step down, from standing as a believer in or follower of Jesus Christ. I challenge brethren often about using the name of Jesus Christ in their witness, rather than the once-removed politically-correct label of "Christian." I have even seen people manifest at the mention of Jesus. Fact is, in the Holy Bible, you will never find a man of God calling another man of God, "Christian."

How and when was the word "Christian" first used? The term 'Christian' was used to describe a follower of Christ in terms of the world, from the world’s point of view. The pagans at Antioch called the apostles "Christians" first (Acts 11:26; 26:28) and used it derogatorily because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians. Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.

The servants of Christ belong to the kingdom of God. If you do not belong to a certain kingdom, you are labeled or named by that kingdom to be of another kingdom. For example, people in the continent (kingdom) of North America call those from the continent (kingdom) of South America, South Americans; from Asia, Asians; from Africa, Africans; from Europe, Europeans. But South Americans don’t call themselves South Americans, Asians don’t call themselves Asians. Africans don’t call themselves Africans, and Europeans don’t call themselves Europeans. Do North Americans call themselves North Americans? When you introduce yourself to somebody, do you say, "Hi! I’m a North American!" No, you don’t, because those from the same kingdom do not place labels on themselves or others. If you are a constituent of a Kingdom, you do not name one in the same Kingdom any thing; but you call them according to the relation between the two of you (brother, sister, mother, father, workman, labourer, minister, bishop, deacon, etc). And who establishes the relation? The Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22, James 4:12).

The term "Christian" was imposed upon the servants of Christ by Christ’s enemies living outside the Kingdom of God, to label those living in the Kingdom of God. Servants of Christ should not call themselves Christians, since this would imply that we are not from the Kingdom of God. Just like someone in Asia would not call themselves ‘Asians’, those living in Christ should not call themselves ‘Christians,’ because it would give the impression to others that you are from a different kingdom.

1 John 4:5, "They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world…"

As scripture says, those who are of the world speak of the world, and use the words of the world. By using the words of the world, or by using the words of another kingdom, you identify yourself as being of that kingdom. And, since the word "Christian" is a term of the world, it might be best to use the words of God to describe us.

Here are a few references:

"Christian: A follower of the religion of Christ [Note carefully that Christ never started a religion - John 7:16]. It is probable that the name Christian, like that of Nazarenes and Galileans, was given to the disciples of our Lord in reproach or contempt. What confirms this opinion is, that the people of Antioch in Syria, Acts 11:26, where they were first called Christians observed by Zosimus, Procopius, and Zonaras, to have been remarkable for their scurrilous jesting. Some have indeed thought that this name was given by the disciples to themselves; others, that it was imposed on them by divine authority; in either of which cases we should have met with it in the subsequent history of the Acts, and in the Apostolic Epistles, all of which were written some years after; whereas it is found but in two more places in the New Testament, Acts 26:28, where a Jew is the speaker, and in 1 Peter 4:16, where reference appears to be made to the name as imposed on them by their enemies. The word used, Acts 11:26, signifies simply to be called or named, and when Doddridge and a few others take to imply a divine appointment, they disregard the usus loquendi [established acceptation of the term] which gives no support to that opinion. The words Tacitus, when speaking of the Christians persecuted by Nero, are remarkable, ‘vulgus Christianos appellabat,’ ‘the vulgar call them Christians.’ Epiphanius says, that they were called Jesseans, either from Jesse, the father of David, or, which is much more probable, from the name of Jesus, whose disciples they were. They were denominated Christians, A. D. 42 or 43; and though the name was first given reproachfully, they gloried in it, as expressing their adherence to Christ, and they soon generally accepted it." Richard Watson, Watson’s Bible Dictionary (1832), p. 233.

"Cristianos, Christian: a word formally not after the Greek but after the Roman manner, denoting attachment to or adherents to Christ. Only occurs as used by others of them, not by Christians of themselves. Tacitus (A.D. 96) says (Annals 15, 44), ‘The vulgar call them Christians. The author or origin of this denomination, Christus, had, in the reign of Tiberius been executed by the procurator, Pontius Pilate.’" Ethelbert William Bullinger, A Critical Lexicon and Concordance of the English and Greek New Testament (1908), p. 152.

"This name (Christian) occurs but three times in the New Testament, and is never used by Christians of themselves, only as spoken by or coming from those without the church. The general names by which the early Christians called themselves were ‘brethren,’ ‘disciples,’ ‘believers,’ and ‘saints.’ The presumption is that the name ‘Christian’ was originated by the heathen." Thomas W. Doane, Bible Myths (1882), page 567, note 3.

"The name (Christian) given by the Greeks or Romans, probably in reproach, to the followers of Jesus. It was first used at Antioch." Easton’s Bible Dictionary.

"Egypt, which you commanded to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about every breath of fame. The worshippers of Serapis (here) are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find), call themselves Bishops of Christ." The Emperor Adrian to Servianus, written A.D. 134.

If you go to Zodhiates Word Studies, he tells you that when they were called Christians at Antioch, using the word ‘crematezo,’ it was a "divine warning." In other words, be forewarned, avoid this word and the use of it. And that’s what the apostles did. You will never read any of these New Testament writers using the term ‘christian’ to describe themselves.

P.S. If you want to experience a quantum leap in the effectiveness of your witness, drop the socially-safe and PC "Christian" label and rather go with "Jesus Christ." Then stand ready for the fireworks!

Is "Jesus Christ" an adjective I can use to label myself or church ?
I'll continue to use "Christian".

 

[RedPill]

From my post:

"Christian" is an adjective, not a noun....Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.

Like I said, nowhere in any of my posts did I call myself "Jesus." Next!

 

[Corn Pop]

Jesus said..."And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." (John 10:16)

We call ourselves Christians, with a capital C.
We are born of God, so have no need for tribal monikers.

Is not what Jesus said he has other sheep not of that fold he must bring, meaning those other sheep will be grafted into Abraham and Israel?. As even Paul said to the gentiles.

"For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree. Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written.

Where did the word Christian come from and its origin and what does in mean?. I think the word is only mentioned once in the scripture. Does the word Christian mean gentiles grafted into Israel?. I mean Christ is the seed of Israel.

Paul was converted and preaching the gospel and he still called himself a Jew in scripture yet he never called himself a Christian.

 

[miamited]

Hi RedPill

By now, it should seem fairly obvious to you that somewhere back there you gave several people the idea that we should be calling ourselves Jesus rather than christians. Maybe it would be good for you to go back and reread some of your posts and find where that miscommunication may have occurred and correct it. Or not.

 

[RedPill]

miamited, you accused me but were unable to provide proof. Thus, any "miscommunication" is all yours.

 

[miamited]

miamited, you accused me but were unable to provide proof. Thus, any "miscommunication" is all yours.

Hi RedPill

When I read your tag line, I understand where you're coming from. God bless.

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[Hopeful 2]

Is not what Jesus said he has other sheep not of that fold he must bring, meaning those other sheep will be grafted into Abraham and Israel?. As even Paul said to the gentiles.

Yes, thanks be to God.

Where did the word Christian come from and its origin and what does in mean?.

By what is actually written, the word Christian was first used in Antioch.
It means...a follower of Christ.

I think the word is only mentioned once in the scripture.

Three times, actually. (Acts 11:26, 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16)

Does the word Christian mean gentiles grafted into Israel?. I mean Christ is the seed of Israel.

From my perspective, it does.
It just designates an adherent of Christ.

Paul was converted and preaching the gospel and he still called himself a Jew in scripture yet he never called himself a Christian.

He was a Jew !
A Jewish adherent of Christ: so if one called him a Christian, I am sure he would no have been offended.
He once said..."To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you." (1 Cor 9:21-23)

Are you a born again believer ?

 

[follower]

Turn to Yahweh the All Powerful Creator and Giver of all that is Good.
From Him Life Flows Continually.

Seek Jesus. Perhaps He will allow you to follow Jesus ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Turn to Yahweh the All Powerful Creator and Giver of all that is Good.
From Him Life Flows Continually.

Seek Jesus. Perhaps He will allow you to follow Jesus ?

Thanks for a good admonission.

 

[follower]

Thanks for a good admonission.

We in Christ are instructed to admonish each other every day! That's how important this is and how bad the world we live in is (contaminating everyone daily).

 

[Hopeful 2]

We in Christ are instructed to admonish each other every day! That's how important this is and how bad the world we live in is (contaminating everyone daily).

Yeah...I like this exhortation form Paul..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)