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Solo said:
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BradtheImpaler said:jgredline said:
Wow, I was away for a little while and this thread got lively
Thank you for the responses but Undertow is correct, my basic question has not been addressed. I am not looking for a defense or even (at this point) an explanation of the Trinity. I want to know exactly what Trins mean by the "one" in "one God". Let me illustrate further...
Let's refer to the Deity as the "divine substance" (DS) to clarify the point. (this shouldn't be a problem as that actually is a term used, and, I believe, coined, by Trinitarians)
How many DS's are there? The Trinitarian would say one, and so would the Modalists, Arians and Unitarians. But the DS, being the substance that makes up deity, could also be said to be "one" even in a polytheistic setting. For instance, the gods of Mt. Olympus (though mythical, we are talking about concepts) would be made of one DS, just as the human race is made of one human substance, or non-divine substance. The existence of DS does not tell us whether there is one God or more than one God but just that there is deity in existence. What tells us whether there is one God or more than one God is how many divine PERSONS there are, because many Gods would be made of the same one DS. The gods of polytheism are different persons. The fact that there is more than one person who is God is what makes it polytheism. Thus the Trinitarian scenario is actually polytheistic, it simply denies that it is. The "sleight of hand" employed is to imagine that it is the DS that is actually "one" in number, allowing for any number of divine persons to share that DS. But, again, that is what polytheism is, multiple persons (gods) sharing one DS.
What Trinitarianism does is simply expand the word "God" to include all that would be labelled "Gods" (plural) in a polytheistic venue, and then claim there is only "one God" because that one God is actually the DS, which covers any and all divine persons. But this is NOT monotheistic. True monotheism would hold to a God who is one PERSON.
Perhaps you should have a severe accident that leaves you blind in one eye, with reading glasses for your one good eye, so that you can proof read your posts with difficulty.mutzrein said:Goodness - should I post or what? Maybe I should increase the font size for extra effect:
Solo said:Perhaps you should have a severe accident that leaves you blind in one eye, with reading glasses for your one good eye, so that you can proof read your posts with difficulty.mutzrein said:Goodness - should I post or what? Maybe I should increase the font size for extra effect
When I want extra effect on something, I come straight out with it. Hopefully that was clear enough for you mutzrein. I have noticed that you have a blatant disregard for scriptural truths; perhaps your understanding is blocked by some spiritual force. Let me know and I will pray for you.
BradtheImpaler said:
I was in a motorcycle accident which appears that an oncoming car came into my lane of traffic in a no passing zone on a bridge, and I had no where to go but into the guardrail. I laid the bike over just prior hitting the guardrail, was catapulted into the air, and after flying 98 feet I hit the guardrail on the bridge with my face. I had no helmet on, and the injuries that I sustained were to my face, dislocated thumb, and broken index finger of same hand. My skull was fractured into my brain, my eyesockets were broken, my skull was broken behind my eyeballs, my sinuses were crushed, my cheek bones were broken, my maxillary facial bones were broken, my mandible jaw bone was broken and shoved back into my throat, nine of my front lower teeth were destroyed. I had the worst injuries that the staff had seen at the trauma center in Denver, Colorado. I was not expected to live, but did after a fourteen hour operation. My wife was told that I would probably be blind in both eyes and a vegetable the rest of my life. I was in critical care for two weeks, intensive care for one week, and rehabilitation for one week before I came to my senses and mentally "woke up" from a time that I do not remember. The last thing that I remember is turning onto the highway five miles prior to the accident after talking to my wife on the phone while getting gas. The next thing that I remember is seeing my wife sitting next to me in Baylor Rehabilitation hospital in Dallas, whereupon I had full memory with the exception of approximately 30 days. I am blind in one eye, and brain damaged in my frontal lobe which controls motivation, problem solving, multi-tasking, crisis management, anger, frustration, stress, etc. etc. I have above average cognitive skills, and all that I had learned prior to the accident is still clear as day, and available for my use. I can focus on tasks that are in front of me, one task at a time. Other than being blind in one eye, and slightly damaged in the ole head, I am fine.mutzrein said:Solo said:Perhaps you should have a severe accident that leaves you blind in one eye, with reading glasses for your one good eye, so that you can proof read your posts with difficulty.mutzrein said:Goodness - should I post or what? Maybe I should increase the font size for extra effect
When I want extra effect on something, I come straight out with it. Hopefully that was clear enough for you mutzrein. I have noticed that you have a blatant disregard for scriptural truths; perhaps your understanding is blocked by some spiritual force. Let me know and I will pray for you.
Thankyou for letting me know that Solo and I am sorry to hear about your accident. May I enquire as to when and how it happened - but of course I will understand if you choose not to say.
I will leave my response regarding the things of the Spirit for now.
Anyway, what a blessing, and a testimony for God. Georges said:
lovely said:Solo,
Every time I see these pictures I get chills. I am so glad that the Lord spared you for the sake of your wife, and children, and ultimatel for His glory. I showed them to my sons the first time you put them up, and told them how the Lord spared you. The only reaction I received is, "Is that a Real skull?!" Sorry, they were only 6 and 8 at that time.
The Lord bless you, Michael.
The head nurse at the trauma center told family to get my wife to Denver as soon as possible because she did not expect me to come out of the operating room. I had been put on many, many prayer lists almost immediately, and I was told that I couldn't have had the accident with my injuries in any better place, for the hospital and doctors that operated on me were the best in the area. It took the neurosurgeon 3 1/2 hours to pick out the skull fragments from my brain, and the maxillofacial surgeon to piece the skull back together like a jigsaw puzzle. I was reading the medical records and the EMT reports of the medical treatment and accident recovery, and it was noted that I was conscious when the EMTs arrived, and I was trying to get out of the control of some men who were holding my arms down. I was telling them that I couldn't breathe. 