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Bible Study What Does It Take To Walk After The Spirit.

Chopper

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Romans 8:4b "Walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit."

Chapter seven of Romans pictures a person who is tossed back and forth from doing what is right according to the Christian life, and doing the wrong things. The remedy is chapter 8, walking in the Holy Spirit....So, how do we as born again Christians "walk in the Holy Spirit", what must we do?
 
Uh oh brother, here we go again, but you asked.....,

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Rom 8:7

The carnal mind, or minding the things of the flesh, can not be subject, hupotassō in the Greek which means, to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto, ...the Law of God

It's that old fleshly, carnal nature we inherited from grandpa Adam, he was a rebel and so are we, ...it's our nature.

Walking in the Spirit is being guided and directed moment by moment 24/7 by the Holy Spirit, how He does that is explained in the New Covenant,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:16

Remember this is a Covenant between two parties, so that means both parties are responsible, the Divine responsibility of the Covenant is He will put His laws into our hearts, and our responsibility is to read the Word, absorb it and appropriate into our hearts (the Holy Spirit can't take from what is not there), that way when a decision or temptation comes into our lives the Holy Spirit can take from what we have appropriated into our hearts and bring it into remembrance in our minds (the second Divine responsibility of the Covenant).

Our hearts are the seat of our emotions and if we say we love God then the choice or opportunity to prove our love comes when the Holy Spirit takes from what is stored in our hearts, His Law, and brings it into our minds for remembrance and we have the choice of using God's law to make our decision or to defeat the temptation, if we chose to use the verse the Holy Spirit brings to remembrance the Word of God is quick and powerful and we become overcomers of our carnal nature and are walking in the Spirit victoriously (the second part of our responsibility in the Covenant), if we chose not to use the verse the Holy Spirit provides we succumb to our rebellious carnal nature and are children tossed back and forth.

Most people call this legalism or the Law is not for the Church, the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write and tell us that is not true, ...it is the only way to walk in the Spirit and be pleasing in Father's sight.
 
Walking in the Spirit is being guided and directed moment by moment 24/7 by the Holy Spirit, how He does that is explained in the New Covenant,
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:16
Brother Karl,
This is indeed the foundational or fundamental truth. At the same time, for believers to understand what it means, we must bring all New Testament truth to bear on this "walk". Since the heart and mind of the Holy Spirit are revealed in His Word, it would translate into:
1. Know the truth (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Tim 2:15; 3:16,17) -- "live in the Spirit"
2. Bring forth the fruit (Gal 5:22-26) -- "walk in the Spirit"
3. Be filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:1-22) -- "be filled with the Spirit"
4. Exercise spiritual gifts (1 Cor 12-14) -- "excel to the edifying of the church"
5. Follow after charity (1 Cor 14:1) -- "now the end [final result] of the commandment [the Law written on our hearts] is charity [agape love] out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned" (1 Tim 1:5).

To make it even simpler, do what the Lord did "in the power of the Spirit" -- (1) preach the Gospel, (2) heal the sick, (3) do good to all men (Mt 4:23; Lk 4:14).
 
What can we do at the start of each day, and throughout the day to walk in the Spirit. I don't think it is automatic for the believer, is it?
 
What can we do at the start of each day, and throughout the day to walk in the Spirit. I don't think it is automatic for the believer, is it?
 
What can we do at the start of each day, and throughout the day to walk in the Spirit. I don't think it is automatic for the believer, is it?
Because it is not automatic, we are exhorted again and again to walk in the Spirit and not fulfil the desires of "the flesh". So there is a daily battle. At the start of each day, the Word of God and prayer will get one off to a good start. Through the day and daily, we should be conscious of the conflict between flesh and spirit, and give the Holy Spirit full control (Rom 12:1,2). The basic question is "Am I conforming to the world or to the Word?"
 
Having a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is the true vine will bring you much fruit. John 15.
When we are re-born you have the fullness of God in you. God has freed us from the prison of sin, not the action of sin. Your righteousness will overcome our sin actions in time.

Now that you are saved, you should ask the Lord to baptize you with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4).

While it is certainly true the Holy Spirit came into your heart and life the moment of your Salvation, still, He now wishes to endure you with power from on high. Consequently, Jesus told all of His followers immediately before His Ascension, that they should "wait for the Promise of the Father" (Acts 1:4). he was speaking of being "Baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:5).

You must understand that there is a great difference in being "born of the Spirit" than being " Baptized with the Spirit." They are two different works altogether.

To be "born of the Spirit" is that which took place at your conversion, as the holy Spirit brought you to Christ and performed the work of regeneration within your heart and life. To be "Baptized with the Spirit" is in order that you may have Power with God (Acts 1:8). Every Believer should ask the lord to fill them with the Holy Spirit, and expect to receive (Luke 11:13).
 
What can we do at the start of each day, and throughout the day to walk in the Spirit. I don't think it is automatic for the believer, is it?
To my knowledge it is not an automatic procedure as far as the scriptures goes because it is from the beginning that, faith without works is dead. Also we that desire to obtain the holy ghost, must Repent, and be baptised according to Acts 2:36-40, or Matthew 28:18-20. and continue to follow Christ steps: 1Peter 2:21

Keep in Step with the Spirit
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.


Also: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=ESV
 
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What can we do at the start of each day, and throughout the day to walk in the Spirit. I don't think it is automatic for the believer, is it?


I start my day in the Word, a daily Bible reading plan, then in prayer I thank Him because His mercy is new every morning and boy do I need it, ...and I have changed from asking Him in prayer to give me what I need to asking Him to be what I need in every circumstance that arises in the day, then since I leak like a sieve I asked to be filled fresh with His Holy Spirit for the new day, ...works for me, it's like listening to a radio, we have to be dialed into the right frequency, so it is with hearing the Holy Spirit, if we are tuned into the world then we can't hear the Holy Spirit on His frequency, for example, there are many young girls hear that are very immodestly dressed, like Job I try to keep from looking at them, since that is the desire of my heart the Holy Spirit sends Phil 4:8 through my mind, I appropriate it, say it out loud and I have victory over the temptation, but if I linger and think what a fox I have sinned, my Communion with Father is broken, and the Holy Spirit sends Matt 5:28 through my mind and I confess my sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins 1 Jn 1:9 and my Communion with my Father is restored 1 Jn 1:3.

When I am in Communion with Father He is constantly giving me directions, what tools I need to take with me to work, how to repair the problem at the apartments, what road to take to avoid a traffic jam, working in the cabinet shop He gives me the plans as to what to build and what order to assemble them so that I don't have to take them apart later in order to add something or add a screw that I had overlooked, He gives me special jigs to build to facilitate cutting the pieces, He makes me aware of what is going on around me, when I should stop and be a quiet calming voice in a family dispute, ...there is so much, it really is a moment by moment 24/7 walk following my Lord.

Sometimes while working doing something repetitious, like sanding or varnishing for an hour or two, I'll just be thanking Him for teaching me and giving me the ability to do this work, my soul is filled with joy and I'm at peace, just hanging with my Lord and the repetition isn't even noticed, it's from these times I have come to learn when communion is broken, because of my sin, I quickly confess to restore our communion, because it is so blessed to hang with the God of the Universe, ...I can't wait for Heaven where it will be never interrupted.
 
Because it is not automatic, we are exhorted again and again to walk in the Spirit and not fulfil the desires of "the flesh". So there is a daily battle. At the start of each day, the Word of God and prayer will get one off to a good start. Through the day and daily, we should be conscious of the conflict between flesh and spirit, and give the Holy Spirit full control (Rom 12:1,2). The basic question is "Am I conforming to the world or to the Word?"
Good answer.
 
Because it is not automatic, we are exhorted again and again to walk in the Spirit and not fulfil the desires of "the flesh". So there is a daily battle. At the start of each day, the Word of God and prayer will get one off to a good start. Through the day and daily, we should be conscious of the conflict between flesh and spirit, and give the Holy Spirit full control (Rom 12:1,2). The basic question is "Am I conforming to the world or to the Word?"
Exactly :thumbsup
 
Having a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is the true vine will bring you much fruit. John 15.
When we are re-born you have the fullness of God in you. God has freed us from the prison of sin, not the action of sin. Your righteousness will overcome our sin actions in time.

Now that you are saved, you should ask the Lord to baptize you with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4).

While it is certainly true the Holy Spirit came into your heart and life the moment of your Salvation, still, He now wishes to endure you with power from on high. Consequently, Jesus told all of His followers immediately before His Ascension, that they should "wait for the Promise of the Father" (Acts 1:4). he was speaking of being "Baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:5).

You must understand that there is a great difference in being "born of the Spirit" than being " Baptized with the Spirit." They are two different works altogether.

To be "born of the Spirit" is that which took place at your conversion, as the holy Spirit brought you to Christ and performed the work of regeneration within your heart and life. To be "Baptized with the Spirit" is in order that you may have Power with God (Acts 1:8). Every Believer should ask the lord to fill them with the Holy Spirit, and expect to receive (Luke 11:13).

It's interesting that you would go the route of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. I was wondering if someone would bring that up. So far, every reply has been a good one, and in order for someone to walk in the Spirit thru out the day, it seems to me there has to be a control outside of my flesh that will control me, and that comes from the Spirit of God who lives in me.

I have to correct one word you used if you'll permit me. I believe that it is the baptism IN the Holy Spirit instead of with, or of, the Holy Spirit. When you are immersed or Baptized IN the Holy Spirit, you are being placed in His authority and power. It's just a little word but has a great meaning.

For me, because I have been Baptized in the Holy Spirit, I have a control factor other than the flesh that leads me thru out the day.

Keep the idea's coming. So far their very good.
 
It's interesting that you would go the route of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. I was wondering if someone would bring that up. So far, every reply has been a good one, and in order for someone to walk in the Spirit thru out the day, it seems to me there has to be a control outside of my flesh that will control me, and that comes from the Spirit of God who lives in me.

I have to correct one word you used if you'll permit me. I believe that it is the baptism IN the Holy Spirit instead of with, or of, the Holy Spirit. When you are immersed or Baptized IN the Holy Spirit, you are being placed in His authority and power. It's just a little word but has a great meaning.

For me, because I have been Baptized in the Holy Spirit, I have a control factor other than the flesh that leads me thru out the day.

Keep the idea's coming. So far their very good.
Matthew 3:11New King James Version (NKJV)
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[a]

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit - Matthew 3:11 NASB - Mark 1:8 NASB - Luke 3:16 NASB - John 1:33 NASB - Luke 24:49 NASB - Acts 1:4-5 NASB - Acts 1:8 NASB - 1 John 5:7-8 NASB
Lord Jesus Christ does the Baptism. Jesus emerges you into the Holy Spirit.

Yes, Jesus Baptism is in the Holy Spirit, however Christians need to be filled with it to receive power.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:4 KJV
 
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Matthew 3:11New King James Version (NKJV)
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[a]

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit - Matthew 3:11 NASB - Mark 1:8 NASB - Luke 3:16 NASB - John 1:33 NASB - Luke 24:49 NASB - Acts 1:4-5 NASB - Acts 1:8 NASB - 1 John 5:7-8 NASB
Lord Jesus Christ does the Baptism. Jesus emerges you into the Holy Spirit.

Yes, Jesus Baptism is in the Holy Spirit, however Christians need to be filled with it to receive power.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:4 KJV

Right on my friend. At Salvation we are baptized WITH the Holy Spirit, and later we need to be baptized IN the Holy Spirit. iLOVE, I wish that this was taught correctly in churches today. There are so many folk who live their Christian lives with very little power at their disposal because they either don't believe in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit or they don't understand how to receive the Baptism. I'm glad that you do, and great works are ahead of you in the Name of Jesus.
 
Right on my friend. At Salvation we are baptized WITH the Holy Spirit, and later we need to be baptized IN the Holy Spirit. iLOVE, I wish that this was taught correctly in churches today. There are so many folk who live their Christian lives with very little power at their disposal because they either don't believe in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit or they don't understand how to receive the Baptism. I'm glad that you do, and great works are ahead of you in the Name of Jesus.

Thanks Brother for this thread.

Could you please share with us in your own words, what the difference is in being Baptized with the Holy Spirit at Salvation, and being Baptized in the Holy Spirit. Do you believe that being baptized in the Holy Spirit will result in speaking with other tongues?

Thanks JLB
 
Thanks Brother for this thread.

Could you please share with us in your own words, what the difference is in being Baptized with the Holy Spirit at Salvation, and being Baptized in the Holy Spirit. Do you believe that being baptized in the Holy Spirit will result in speaking with other tongues?

Thanks JLB
Oh my good old friend JLB. Certainly, I'd be glad to share my theology on the second Baptism.

I guess most every Christian knows that at Salvation, a believer is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the family of God. So I doubt that you want me to elaborate. Lets look at Acts 1 verse 5.
Acts 1:5 "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." We have here the working out of a promise of God, as it says right before this verse. This verse mentions John's baptism, now we are talking about a second Baptism. The word "with" which is mentioned twice in this verse should be Gk. ἐν which is "in" Strongs, G1722 This change is so important to me for a correct understanding of this verse. SO, the verse should read, For John truly baptized IN water; but you shall be baptized IN the Holy Ghost not many days hence."

Now the verse is making a little more sense. John immersed people IN water. That is a clue that baptism other than immersion is not biblical, because it's IN water. Now we come to the Holy Ghost, or Spirit. We are baptized IN the Holy Spirit. Wow, what does that mean? There is a job to do now that Jesus has ascended to His heavenly throne. There is work to be done to reach the lost with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That job is to be a witness to them, not in human power, but with God's power.

Now lets look at what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit of Whom we are going to enter as we become baptized into Him.

John 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Humanly speaking, we can't convict anyone of their sin, or explain the righteousness of Jesus, but the Holy Spirit can! The Holy Spirit needs a human to come into Him for this work. Actually, we are being placed IN His power. To be baptized in the Holy Spirit is to jointly be with Him and His power and work to save the lost, it becomes you and the Holy Spirit going about as a witness to the world, or your sphere of witness for the Glory of God.

Speaking in tongues is just one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Chapter twelve of 1 Corinthians lists all the gifts. Tongues was the first sign at Pentecost to alert all those people that something supernatural was happening. Since then, the Church of Jesus Christ expanded, and was organized. Once these local churches were established, the need for all the gifts came into being. Tongues is not the only sign that a person is in the Holy Spirit, love may be the best sign.

I hope this answers your question JLB, I'd be happy to explain any part of my theology. Be Blessed my friend. :hug
 
Oh my good old friend JLB. Certainly, I'd be glad to share my theology on the second Baptism.

I guess most every Christian knows that at Salvation, a believer is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the family of God. So I doubt that you want me to elaborate. Lets look at Acts 1 verse 5.
Acts 1:5 "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." We have here the working out of a promise of God, as it says right before this verse. This verse mentions John's baptism, now we are talking about a second Baptism. The word "with" which is mentioned twice in this verse should be Gk. ἐν which is "in" Strongs, G1722 This change is so important to me for a correct understanding of this verse. SO, the verse should read, For John truly baptized IN water; but you shall be baptized IN the Holy Ghost not many days hence."

Now the verse is making a little more sense. John immersed people IN water. That is a clue that baptism other than immersion is not biblical, because it's IN water. Now we come to the Holy Ghost, or Spirit. We are baptized IN the Holy Spirit. Wow, what does that mean? There is a job to do now that Jesus has ascended to His heavenly throne. There is work to be done to reach the lost with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That job is to be a witness to them, not in human power, but with God's power.

Now lets look at what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit of Whom we are going to enter as we become baptized into Him.

John 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Humanly speaking, we can't convict anyone of their sin, or explain the righteousness of Jesus, but the Holy Spirit can! The Holy Spirit needs a human to come into Him for this work. Actually, we are being placed IN His power. To be baptized in the Holy Spirit is to jointly be with Him and His power and work to save the lost, it becomes you and the Holy Spirit going about as a witness to the world, or your sphere of witness for the Glory of God.

Speaking in tongues is just one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Chapter twelve of 1 Corinthians lists all the gifts. Tongues was the first sign at Pentecost to alert all those people that something supernatural was happening. Since then, the Church of Jesus Christ expanded, and was organized. Once these local churches were established, the need for all the gifts came into being. Tongues is not the only sign that a person is in the Holy Spirit, love may be the best sign.

I hope this answers your question JLB, I'd be happy to explain any part of my theology. Be Blessed my friend. :hug

Thanks for your reply.

JLB
 
Great subject Chopper. Before that night, when was over come with the Spirit, I planned to sin every day and every night. I, completely, believed that my happiness, not joy, was contained in conquering some younger than I, females body, sin planned. I, without thought, followed Satan, willingly and stupidly.

After the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, as soon as I empty my mind to go to sleep at night, Satan does try to tempt me but God has always been faithful to provide me an escape. And when I get up in the morning I feel it is my duty to be about God's work, the work He has and is giving me. This consistently means having my thoughts in the Bible as well as my eyes feeding my heart the Word that I might submit to and enable the Spirit to teach me new applications of each passage. We, Christians, must learn and we must believe the Word is the Living Word and not, just, some ink on sheets of thin paper.

If we are ever to, truly, serve the Christ that served and serves us, we must learn to submit to Him, daily.
 
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