What is as bad as romes stuff?

[Elijah674]

Babtist stuff!

We hear, & we see, over & over like the broken record that it has been for years (the Gen. 6:3 kind of GRIEVING) That NO ONE CAN BE REMOVED FROM CHRIST GRASP! That is God's Promise! (and with NO Conditions!)

And THEN?? Here they come 'teaching' antichrist His WORD of Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9 with the Holy Spirit Inspired Inspiration saying.. that Salvation takes the lost sinner THAT IS LOVINGLY & WILLINGLY OBEDIENT IN THEIR WORKING FAITH WITH CHRIST, to have Eternal Life!

First, we can't be lost & then it is not WE, but God who forces our pre/programed robot mind!

Phil. 4
[13] I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

They teach that He can save me & that nothing can snatch me from His grasp, and then??? We see that He really can't 'have me to do all things by His Strength'.

And 2 Cor. 12

[9] And he said unto me, [[My grace is]] sufficient for thee: for [[my strength is made perfect in weakness.]]

Naw 'l'ord! Your GRACE cannot cause me to obey You, but just keep me saved!!

No works of Obedience, (Matt. 28:20 is flawed 'l'ord as well!) ONLY BELIEVE, and that is as it has been for well past any 120 yrs. of Babtist very false teachings. With a plural, for James 2:10 has them violating much more!

Well almost, for many Baptist are becoming ex/Baptist while understanding the Truth of James 2
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

--Elijah

 

[Stan53]

Babtist stuff!
We hear, & we see, over & over like the broken record that it has been for years (the Gen. 6:3 kind of GRIEVING) That NO ONE CAN BE REMOVED FROM CHRIST GRASP! That is God's Promise! (and with NO Conditions!)
And THEN?? Here they come 'teaching' antichrist His WORD of Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9 with the Holy Spirit Inspired Inspiration saying.. that Salvation takes the lost sinner THAT IS LOVINGLY & WILLINGLY OBEDIENT IN THEIR WORKING FAITH WITH CHRIST, to have Eternal Life!
First, we can't be lost & then it is not WE, but God who forces our pre/programed robot mind! Phil. 4
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
They teach that He can save me & that nothing can snatch me from His grasp, and then??? We see that He really can't 'have me to do all things by His Strength'. And 2 Cor. 12
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
Naw 'l'ord! Your GRACE cannot cause me to obey You, but just keep me saved!! No works of Obedience, (Matt. 28:20 is flawed 'l'ord as well!) ONLY BELIEVE, and that is as it has been for well past any 120 yrs. of Babtist very false teachings. With a plural, for James 2:10 has them violating much more!
Well almost, for many Baptist are becoming ex/Baptist while understanding the Truth of James 2 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

You are very hard to follow Elijah. Almost incohesive, but maybe English is not your first language?

Anyway what you seem to be talking about is Calvinism, NOT necessarily Baptists. Not ALL Baptists are Calvinists.We need to excercise more Grace, as James 4:6 tells us.

 

[EDEN2004]

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Could you please explain how one keeps the whole law...but yet at the same time breaks the law.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Elijah,

I gave up on the 'Church of the world' years ago. The term is a broad generalization, so it's not intended to offend anyone personally who may belong to one of the world's major denominations.

One of the surprising things I noticed when I was born again 26 years ago was that the true church of God, full of good, honest, lovely, sincere Christians who are genuinely led by the Holy Spirit and eager to know and follow him don't constitute the majority (not even close) of people who attend the 'church of the world'. I learned not to get too excited about what they do and teach. And I don't think Jesus wants us to, either:

12 ...the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:12-14 NIV1984)

That doesn't mean we don't share. It means when we share our hearts it may mean only reaching a handful of people who will genuinely take it to heart and we let the 'church of the world' continue on it's dark path. God has preserved a remnant for himself in these worsening times in the church, just as he has always done in bad times. I don't think you, or I, or anyone is going to affect a wholesale change in the church. It's about reaching a few with the truth and saving them out of this mess.

 

[Elijah674]

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Could you please explain how one keeps the whole law...but yet at the same time breaks the law.

Sure! God says that we can through His Strength. (God can't lie) Our only hope which is called FAITH is to move forward into full maturity. As Heb. 12 finds from babes to maturity. The plan of salvation is like that of father & son.

Where the verse you ask about comes into play is for one to understand that our kids 'sin.' (as in us, before God) But it is not one sin or even several that is the sin against the Holy Ghost. And we LOVE CHRIST when Born Again, right? There is the MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE. (OK??)

The James 2:10 verse tell's us grownups (of Rom. 8:1) that any know sin knowinly broken has us guilty of breaking all ten. Also that this will be our standard of judgement in verse 12. As for us having any Loving OBEDIENT FAITH. Even see Eccl. 12:13-14

Now: Pay attention! Do our children just go from bad to worse when they LOVE US??? And do we, when we LOVE CHRIST just keep on sinning over & over with the same old carnal way before we were washed in Christ?
No, Rom. 8 verse 14 tell's us that after Justification that we are LED of the Holy Ghost. And as with kids, we to.. still can do the opposite thing.

So the bottom/line is that it is not the one time sin that has anyone lost, but the known sin that we are 'led' to have victory over which we 'might' refuse to do. We MATURE in the wrong direction. Thus, to knowingly to break any one of the 10, finds us and known by us as sinners.

Known Sin done over and over by anyone is what is of the greatest danger. It just gets easier & easier to do until we find it much harder to be 'Led' to leave it off.
Compare Psalms 19:13's presumption.

--Elijah

PS: Note 1 John 5:16-17 for the two ends of sin. A sin unto death & a sin not unto death. Consider James 1:15's FINISH.

 

[Stan53]

Known Sin done over and over by anyone is what is of the greatest danger. It just gets easier & easier to do until we find it much harder to be 'Led' to leave it off.

Is this YOUR experience Elijah?

Heb 12 does address this issue though. Verses 1 - 3 talks about this kind of sinning.
However SIN period is dangerous and at any time we can end up suffering from the LAW of Sowing and Reaping.

 

[Elijah674]

Is this YOUR experience Elijah?

Heb 12 does address this issue though. Verses 1 - 3 talks about this kind of sinning.
However SIN period is dangerous and at any time we can end up suffering from the LAW of Sowing and Reaping.

Hi, agreed. Yes, I am the elder in age over you. And have had quite a life until God worked a real miracle. (between satan then, & Christ the last 30 or so years)

And Heb. 12 is quite an eye opener if it is studied & not just read. Do you get the point? (most do not) Here are just a few verses seen there, let me just mention how 'i' see them;)

Heb. 12
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, [striving against] sin. (seems like a work in progress for MATURITY?)
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

(this surely is the real Christian with having a say in the process of life, of an yes or no Lord, in issues towards maturing?)

[6] For whom the [[Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth]]
.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

OK: How can I become a rejector of Christ??How can 'i' be a Partaker of Christ Rom. 8:1 with NO Condemnation & then become a severed bastard son once again?? Remember [Elijah674] that you are daily Led of the Holy Ghost! (that is me, huh? OK?? so far??) the verse is Rom. 8:14 following Rom. 8:1!!)

Chastisements?? Are what, getting a father to son spanking?? Perhaps, but that is not my defination of what my real hard chastisements are. By my nature I am not bold for my Lord. Yet, I do try to go by Principle & not feelings, if you know what I mean?

How I see this is, that many chastisements are the very hard duties that the still carnal body hates to do. We want the folks to like us, yet, God requires hard duties that go against our makeup. Like Christ's death on the cross with His cry to His Father for help! And then when one thinks of Matt. 7's Broadway ones being lost, could not one reason be the fault of their leaders?? (or the Rev. 17:1-5 ones and us being some of the cause??)

OK: The WORD TO ME IS, that if I AM WITHOUT THESE REAL CHASTISMENTS by my own freechoice, even though being a real PARTAKER of Christ in Profession, I am now become what???

And 'i' call that my [[sin of OMISSON]] if that be the case. And I truely believe that hell will find many professed preachers there by their own free/will choice..

--Elijah

 

[Stan53]

Hi, agreed. Yes, I am the elder in age over you. And have had quite a life until God worked a real miracle. (between satan then, & Christ the last 30 or so years)

And Heb. 12 is quite an eye opener if it is studied & not just read. Do you get the point? (most do not) Here are just a few verses seen there, let me just mention how 'i' see them;)

Heb. 12
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, [striving against] sin. (seems like a work in progress for MATURITY?)
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

(this surely is the real Christian with having a say in the process of life, of an yes or no Lord, in issues towards maturing?)

[6] For whom the [[Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth]]
.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

OK: How can I become a rejector of Christ??How can 'i' be a Partaker of Christ Rom. 8:1 with NO Condemnation & then become a severed bastard son once again?? Remember [Elijah674] that you are daily Led of the Holy Ghost! (that is me, huh? OK?? so far??) the verse is Rom. 8:14 following Rom. 8:1!!)

Chastisements?? Are what, getting a father to son spanking?? Perhaps, but that is not my defination of what my real hard chastisements are. By my nature I am not bold for my Lord. Yet, I do try to go by Principle & not feelings, if you know what I mean?

How I see this is, that many chastisements are the very hard duties that the still carnal body hates to do. We want the folks to like us, yet, God requires hard duties that go against our makeup. Like Christ's death on the cross with His cry to His Father for help! And then when one thinks of Matt. 7's Broadway ones being lost, could not one reason be the fault of their leaders?? (or the Rev. 17:1-5 ones and us being some of the cause??)

OK: The WORD TO ME IS, that if I AM WITHOUT THESE REAL CHASTISMENTS by my own freechoice, even though being a real PARTAKER of Christ in Profession, I am now become what???

And 'i' call that my [[sin of OMISSON]] if that be the case. And I truely believe that hell will find many professed preachers there by their own free/will choice..

--Elijah

:
OK, well I didn't ask who was older and I quite frankly don't care how OLD somebody is. I'm more concerned how young someone is.
I DON'T get your point because you didn't make one. Maybe you know in your head what your point was meant to be, but unless you communicate it via your keyboard, it won't get through to ANYONE.
You will notice I cut down your previous to address ONE issue, mostly because I didn't understand the other rhetoric. NOT because I don't understand English, just because your post was NOT cohesive and sometimes sounded incoherent. I think you can be but for some reason you choose not to be. Makes it hard to participate with you. :dunno

 

[heymikey80]

They teach that He can save me & that nothing can snatch me from His grasp, and then??? We see that He really can't 'have me to do all things by His Strength'

So let me get this straight -- you're asserting Jesus didn't say nothing can snatch you from His grasp?

 

[Elijah674]

Originally Posted by Elijah674
Hi, agreed. Yes, I am the elder in age over you. And have had quite a life until God worked a real miracle. (between satan then, & Christ the last 30 or so years)

And Heb. 12 is quite an eye opener if it is studied & not just read. Do you get the point? (most do not) Here are just a few verses seen there, let me just mention how 'i' see them;)

Heb. 12
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, [striving against] sin. (seems like a work in progress for MATURITY?)
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

(this surely is the real Christian with having a say in the process of life, of an yes or no Lord, in issues towards maturing?)

[6] For whom the [[Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth]]
.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

OK: How can I become a rejector of Christ??How can 'i' be a Partaker of Christ Rom. 8:1 with NO Condemnation & then become a severed bastard son once again?? Remember [Elijah674] that you are daily Led of the Holy Ghost! (that is me, huh? OK?? so far??) the verse is Rom. 8:14 following Rom. 8:1!!)

Chastisements?? Are what, getting a father to son spanking?? Perhaps, but that is not my defination of what my real hard chastisements are. By my nature I am not bold for my Lord. Yet, I do try to go by Principle & not feelings, if you know what I mean?

How I see this is, that many chastisements are the very hard duties that the still carnal body hates to do. We want the folks to like us, yet, God requires hard duties that go against our makeup. Like Christ's death on the cross with His cry to His Father for help! And then when one thinks of Matt. 7's Broadway ones being lost, could not one reason be the fault of their leaders?? (or the Rev. 17:1-5 ones and us being some of the cause??)

OK: The WORD TO ME IS, that if I AM WITHOUT THESE REAL CHASTISMENTS by my own freechoice, even though being a real PARTAKER of Christ in Profession, I am now become what???

And 'i' call that my [[sin of OMISSON]] if that be the case. And I truely believe that hell will find many professed preachers there by their own free/will choice..

--Elijah



:
OK, well I didn't ask who was older and I quite frankly don't care how OLD somebody is. I'm more concerned how young someone is.
I DON'T get your point because you didn't make one. Maybe you know in your head what your point was meant to be, but unless you communicate it via your keyboard, it won't get through to ANYONE.
You will notice I cut down your previous to address ONE issue, mostly because I didn't understand the other rhetoric. NOT because I don't understand English, just because your post was NOT cohesive and sometimes sounded incoherent. I think you can be but for some reason you choose not to be. Makes it hard to participate with you. :dunno

__________

You find that post hard to understand??? Whatever. But here is a good 'simple' thought that perhaps you and others might understand??? why not just block my posts out of your view?

--Elijah
​

 

[Stan53]

Originally Posted by Elijah674
Hi, agreed. Yes, I am the elder in age over you. And have had quite a life until God worked a real miracle. (between satan then, & Christ the last 30 or so years)

And Heb. 12 is quite an eye opener if it is studied & not just read. Do you get the point? (most do not) Here are just a few verses seen there, let me just mention how 'i' see them;)

Heb. 12
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, [striving against] sin. (seems like a work in progress for MATURITY?)
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

(this surely is the real Christian with having a say in the process of life, of an yes or no Lord, in issues towards maturing?)

[6] For whom the [[Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth]]
.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

OK: How can I become a rejector of Christ??How can 'i' be a Partaker of Christ Rom. 8:1 with NO Condemnation & then become a severed bastard son once again?? Remember [Elijah674] that you are daily Led of the Holy Ghost! (that is me, huh? OK?? so far??) the verse is Rom. 8:14 following Rom. 8:1!!)

Chastisements?? Are what, getting a father to son spanking?? Perhaps, but that is not my defination of what my real hard chastisements are. By my nature I am not bold for my Lord. Yet, I do try to go by Principle & not feelings, if you know what I mean?

How I see this is, that many chastisements are the very hard duties that the still carnal body hates to do. We want the folks to like us, yet, God requires hard duties that go against our makeup. Like Christ's death on the cross with His cry to His Father for help! And then when one thinks of Matt. 7's Broadway ones being lost, could not one reason be the fault of their leaders?? (or the Rev. 17:1-5 ones and us being some of the cause??)

OK: The WORD TO ME IS, that if I AM WITHOUT THESE REAL CHASTISMENTS by my own freechoice, even though being a real PARTAKER of Christ in Profession, I am now become what???

And 'i' call that my [[sin of OMISSON]] if that be the case. And I truely believe that hell will find many professed preachers there by their own free/will choice..

--Elijah



:
OK, well I didn't ask who was older and I quite frankly don't care how OLD somebody is. I'm more concerned how young someone is.
I DON'T get your point because you didn't make one. Maybe you know in your head what your point was meant to be, but unless you communicate it via your keyboard, it won't get through to ANYONE.
You will notice I cut down your previous to address ONE issue, mostly because I didn't understand the other rhetoric. NOT because I don't understand English, just because your post was NOT cohesive and sometimes sounded incoherent. I think you can be but for some reason you choose not to be. Makes it hard to participate with you. :dunno

__________

You find that post hard to understand??? Whatever. But here is a good 'simple' thought that perhaps you and others might understand??? why not just block my posts out of your view?

--Elijah
​

OK....DONE!

 

[Elijah674]

: What is as bad as romes stuff?

Originally Posted by Elijah674
They teach that He can save me & that nothing can snatch me from His grasp, and then??? We see that He really can't 'have me to do all things by His Strength'
_______




And another poster replies to me:
So let me get this straight -- you're asserting Jesus didn't say nothing can snatch you from His grasp?
_______


His promised Truth is conditional on mankinds Obedience!
Such a true 'promised' conditional remark was even quoted to Christ by satan in Matt. 4:6! The promise came from Ps. 91:11 with nothing wrong with the quote except the condition was left out. (and Christ even gave the OT quoted condition!) So no, 1/2 truths are no truths!

And your question to me??? NO ONE CAN SNATCH AN OBEDIENT FOLLOWER FROM HIS GRASP... if such an one will be Obedient!

In fact God will not even hear their prayers! Isa. 59:1-2

--Elijah
​

 

[EDEN2004]

Sure! God says that we can through His Strength. (God can't lie) Our only hope which is called FAITH is to move forward into full maturity. As Heb. 12 finds from babes to maturity. The plan of salvation is like that of father & son.

Where the verse you ask about comes into play is for one to understand that our kids 'sin.' (as in us, before God) But it is not one sin or even several that is the sin against the Holy Ghost. And we LOVE CHRIST when Born Again, right? There is the MOTIVE FOR OBEDIENCE. (OK??)

The James 2:10 verse tell's us grownups (of Rom. 8:1) that any know sin knowinly broken has us guilty of breaking all ten. Also that this will be our standard of judgement in verse 12. As for us having any Loving OBEDIENT FAITH. Even see Eccl. 12:13-14

Now: Pay attention! Do our children just go from bad to worse when they LOVE US??? And do we, when we LOVE CHRIST just keep on sinning over & over with the same old carnal way before we were washed in Christ?
No, Rom. 8 verse 14 tell's us that after Justification that we are LED of the Holy Ghost. And as with kids, we to.. still can do the opposite thing.

So the bottom/line is that it is not the one time sin that has anyone lost, but the known sin that we are 'led' to have victory over which we 'might' refuse to do. We MATURE in the wrong direction. Thus, to knowingly to break any one of the 10, finds us and known by us as sinners.

Known Sin done over and over by anyone is what is of the greatest danger. It just gets easier & easier to do until we find it much harder to be 'Led' to leave it off.
Compare Psalms 19:13's presumption.

--Elijah

PS: Note 1 John 5:16-17 for the two ends of sin. A sin unto death & a sin not unto death. Consider James 1:15's FINISH.

The gospel is simple:

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

James 2:10-12 is the exact same message.

Verses 10 and 11 are talking directly to people who will be judged by the law and states that if this is your path, if you disobey even in one point, you will be judged by the law.
Verse 12 however is speaking to the true believer in Christ, the ones that will be judged by the law of liberty.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

This is probably my last post on this forum because I am about to be banned for speaking the truth. Don't be mislead by the works salvation crew, they are in bondage, and they twist and pervert the scripture trying to put you under the same bondage.....

 

[Elijah674]

The gospel is simple:

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

James 2:10-12 is the exact same message.

Verses 10 and 11 are talking directly to people who will be judged by the law and states that if this is your path, if you disobey even in one point, you will be judged by the law.
Verse 12 however is speaking to the true believer in Christ, the ones that will be judged by the law of liberty.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

This is probably my last post on this forum because I am about to be banned for speaking the truth. Don't be mislead by the works salvation crew, they are in bondage, and they twist and pervert the scripture trying to put you under the same bondage.....

Hi! The site (most all sites) here has a crew of hard working posters who teach 'only believe, obedience is not needed for salvation'. And no works are needed! but look at their works!!

And what makes these as bad as rome, is the 2 Cor. 4:2 tactic used by rome & these ones. It is a jesuit tactic as I see it. But satan has always used it since the beginning & with Cain his first convert. And I will explain that after the verse which will attempt to explain your banning remark. Here is the verse...

[2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; ...'

OK: When you get these crafty (?) ones together who are actually liars to boot, they email back & forth among theirselves about people whose MESSAGE they don't like. They protest to the 'mods' about everything nonessential with nitpicking such as spelling, + grammer or anything ealse to try to get one banned.

While actually they themselves are some of the worst offenders. And remember that these ones are like that of some satanic labor union in these tactics! They most all post to the mods! and for sure always try to slander the postors as indivuals. NEVER THE BIBLE verses posted, just the postor. And what is NEW God asks?? See Eccl. 3:15

Matt. 10 Surely lets one know what to expect....
[25] It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
​

Anyhow: This site is still pretty much so far a freedom of religeon + speech site. With a owner + a few mods that can relate to what is taking place as we speek. But if you get banned, drop me an email & I will give you another site which is still very much beliveing in Religous Liberty.

--Elijah​

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hi! The site (most all sites) here has a crew of hard working posters who teach 'only believe, obedience is not needed for salvation'. And no works are needed! but look at their works!!
​

Let's not misunderstand. I think the majority belief here is faith saves all by itself, but works have to be present to validate one's faith as being genuine. The works themselves not making anybody righteous but only showing one's faith to be of a quality that can actually save them. So it is only in that sense that 'all you have to do is believe'. All you have to do to be justified righteous is believe in God's forgiveness through Christ. But that faith must change you into an obedient person according to the fruit of the Spirit (not outward religious exercises) for that faith to be validated as a truly saving faith.

Anyhow: This site is still pretty much so far a freedom of religeon + speech site. With a owner + a few mods that can relate to what is taking place as we speek. But if you get banned, drop me an email & I will give you another site which is still very much beliveing in Religous Liberty.

I used to disagree with narrowing the doctrines that were allowed to be represented in a forum. But the truth is it would be an out of control free for all if you let that happen. Fringe beliefs usually don't get shared very politely. They are usually fueled by hatred, and anger which sooner or later comes out of the person sharing them.​

 

[EDEN2004]

Hi! The site (most all sites) here has a crew of hard working posters who teach 'only believe, obedience is not needed for salvation'. And no works are needed! but look at their works!!​

And what makes these as bad as rome, is the 2 Cor. 4:2 tactic used by rome & these ones. It is a jesuit tactic as I see it. But satan has always used it since the beginning & with Cain his first convert. And I will explain that after the verse which will attempt to explain your banning remark. Here is the verse...​

[2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; ...'​

OK: When you get these crafty (?) ones together who are actually liars to boot, they email back & forth among theirselves about people whose MESSAGE they don't like. They protest to the 'mods' about everything nonessential with nitpicking such as spelling, + grammer or anything ealse to try to get one banned.​

While actually they themselves are some of the worst offenders. And remember that these ones are like that of some satanic labor union in these tactics! They most all post to the mods! and for sure always try to slander the postors as indivuals. NEVER THE BIBLE verses posted, just the postor. And what is NEW God asks?? See Eccl. 3:15​

Matt. 10 Surely lets one know what to expect....
[25] It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?​

Anyhow: This site is still pretty much so far a freedom of religeon + speech site. With a owner + a few mods that can relate to what is taking place as we speek. But if you get banned, drop me an email & I will give you another site which is still very much beliveing in Religous Liberty.​

--Elijah​

Elijah, please read these verses again.

James is presenting 2 types of judgement:

1) Judgement as a transgressor of the law...this individual will be judged according to his works and not Christ's righteousness.

and

2) Judgement by the law of liberty.

"So speak ye, and do so". What is James suggesting that we should speak of and do? as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
What is the alternative to the law of liberty? Verses 10 and 11, keeping the whole law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[Elijah674]

Hi! The site (most all sites) here has a crew of hard working posters who teach 'only believe, obedience is not needed for salvation'. And no works are needed! but look at their works!!​

And what makes these as bad as rome, is the 2 Cor. 4:2 tactic used by rome & these ones. It is a jesuit tactic as I see it. But satan has always used it since the beginning & with Cain his first convert. And I will explain that after the verse which will attempt to explain your banning remark. Here is the verse...​

[2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; ...'​

OK: When you get these crafty (?) ones together who are actually liars to boot, they email back & forth among theirselves about people whose MESSAGE they don't like. They protest to the 'mods' about everything nonessential with nitpicking such as spelling, + grammer or anything ealse to try to get one banned.​

While actually they themselves are some of the worst offenders. And remember that these ones are like that of some satanic labor union in these tactics! They most all post to the mods! and for sure always try to slander the postors as indivuals. NEVER THE BIBLE verses posted, just the postor. And what is NEW God asks?? See Eccl. 3:15​

Matt. 10 Surely lets one know what to expect....
[25] It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?​

Anyhow: This site is still pretty much so far a freedom of religeon + speech site. With a owner + a few mods that can relate to what is taking place as we speek. But if you get banned, drop me an email & I will give you another site which is still very much beliveing in Religous Liberty.​

--Elijah​

Me again: So:waving you are one of them, huh? Thought so! OH! and what verses were those verses again?

PS: And forum, check out the Inspiration given here. If you find God mis/spoke? say so! For it will be recorded that you disagree with your maker.
Eccl. 12
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[Sinthesis]

Imagine the death bed convert, saved on a Monday, who doesn't make it long enough to ever keep the sabbath day. Are they doomed to hell? No; because they have surrendered themselves to God, rather than surrendered just one day of the week. That is how Christians observe the sabbath.

Hbr 7:12 - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.​

 

[Stan53]

Imagine the death bed convert, saved on a Monday, who doesn't make it long enough to ever keep the sabbath day. Are they doomed to hell? No; because they have surrendered themselves to God, rather than surrendered just one day of the week. That is how Christians observe the sabbath.

Hbr 7:12 - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
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The best replies are always succinct, AND short!

 

[Elijah674]

Imagine the death bed convert, saved on a Monday, who doesn't make it long enough to ever keep the sabbath day. Are they doomed to hell? No; because they have surrendered themselves to God, rather than surrendered just one day of the week. That is how Christians observe the sabbath.

Hbr 7:12 - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
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Hardly so! Say that the death bed convert was me. And then the Lord answered my [[mother's prayer]] for my healing. And what now would I do because I had just now been Born Again, and with Agape Love in my heart for my [New Master?]

If one does not know, it just says that they need to be Born Again in the first place as far as I see it! And a change in the law? 1 John 2:4 tell's one of the change!

[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [[is a liar, and the truth is not in him]].
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are [[in him]].

Have it as you desire!
--Elijah