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What is faith?

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kilrizzy

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Hi everyone, I want to start off by noting that I am an atheist but one thing that always interests me is the concept of faith. I have a few ideas and arguments against it, but wanted to get a theist perspective.

So I would like to get a good idea from everyone:

1. How would you define faith?
2. How is faith a good thing?

Thanks!
 
Hello
I hope this can make it through your atheist strainer. No sarcasm intended. When I first became a Christian, the key thoughts in MY mind were... how can we possibly exist. Finally, after quite a few days of faithless deliberation, I just had to come to the conclusion that we did... thoughts of not existing...met up with the reality that we did. So, where does it go from there. Well, I looked for the Creator. Yes, I went through the evolutionary ideas...chariots of the gods. etc.
If and when you ever become a Christian, I think you will find that on that given day...you're just ready to take the jump. I don't regret taking the jump. I can actually feel the presence of God, like many Christians. It's like a wave of goose bumps that comes over you. Sometimes, when I'm not even really contemplating on God, it happens.
I can only tell you, that you can pass all the information through the atheist strainer, and you won't come up with God. It has to be a leap of faith. I guarantee though...if you take the jump...you won't regret it.
I'm hoping the Lord fills your heart with the faith needed to take that leap. All the best, in your search.
 
Faith for me is has been believing the God of the bible despite what my senses say. It comes only by hearing the word of God. Yes sounds strange, but that's what the bible says. God has to soften our hearts and give us the faith to believe him and upon the revalation of the Lord, we must decide yay or nay, for salvation.

jason
 
Why ask?

The dictionary is broken?
Okay, I'll give a good faith effort then.
Sparrowhawke said:
The part that is quoted from the Bible Dictionary is the one I liked to read the most, but then, well, you see, I'm ahhhh a believer. Yep.

Oh, I notice also that this is your first post to the forum. WELCOME! It is my hope that you find your experience here refreshing and unique and pleasing unto God. :yes

faith
 
[feyth]
–noun
  1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
â€â€Idiom
in faith, in truth; indeed: In faith, he is a fine lad.

Origin:
1200–50; ME feith < AF fed, OF feid, feit < L fidem, acc. of fidēs trust, akin to fīdere to trust.
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faith
(fÄÂth)
n.

  1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
    [/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
    [/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
    [/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
    [/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
    [/*:m:2l5x7vcz]
  6. A set of principles or beliefs.[/*:m:2l5x7vcz]


[Middle English, from Anglo-Norman fed, from Latin fidēs; see bheidh- in Indo-European roots.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


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Word Origin & History

faith

c.1250, "duty of fulfilling one's trust," from O.Fr. feid, from L. fides "trust, belief," from root of fidere "to trust," from PIE base *bhidh-/*bhoidh- (cf. Gk. pistis; see bid). For sense evolution, see belief. Theological sense is from 1382; religions called faiths since c.1300. Faith-healer is from 1885.

Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper

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Legal Dictionary

Main Entry: faith
Function: noun
1 a : allegiance or loyalty to a duty or a person b : sincerity or honesty of intentions â€â€see also BAD FAITH, GOOD FAITH
2 : fidelity to one's promises and obligations

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
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Bible Dictionary said:
Faith

Faith is in general the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true (Phil. 1:27; 2 Thess. 2:13).

Its primary idea is trust. A thing is true, and therefore worthy of trust.

It admits of many degrees up to full assurance of faith, in accordance with the evidence on which it rests. Faith is the result of teaching (Rom. 10:14-17). Knowledge is an essential element in all faith, and is sometimes spoken of as an equivalent to faith (John 10:38; 1 John 2:3). Yet the two are distinguished in this respect, that faith includes in it assent, which is an act of the will in addition to the act of the understanding. Assent to the truth is of the essence of faith, and the ultimate ground on which our assent to any revealed truth rests is the veracity of God.

Historical faith is the apprehension of and assent to certain statements which are regarded as mere facts of history.

Temporary faith is that state of mind which is awakened in men (e.g., Felix) by the exhibition of the truth and by the influence of religious sympathy, or by what is sometimes styled the common operation of the Holy Spirit.

Saving faith is so called because it has eternal life inseparably connected with it. It cannot be better defined than in the words of the Assembly's Shorter Catechism: "Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace, whereby we receive and rest upon him alone for salvation, as he is offered to us in the gospel." The object of saving faith is the whole revealed Word of God.

Faith accepts and believes it as the very truth most sure. But the special act of faith which unites to Christ has as its object the person and the work of the Lord Jesus Christ (John 7:38; Acts 16:31). This is the specific act of faith by which a sinner is justified before God (Rom. 3:22, 25; Gal. 2:16; Phil. 3:9; John 3:16-36; Acts 10:43; 16:31). In this act of faith the believer appropriates and rests on Christ alone as Mediator in all his offices. This assent to or belief in the truth received upon the divine testimony has always associated with it a deep sense of sin, a distinct view of Christ, a consenting will, and a loving heart, together with a reliance on, a trusting in, or resting in Christ. It is that state of mind in which a poor sinner, conscious of his sin, flees from his guilty self to Christ his Saviour, and rolls over the burden of all his sins on him.

It consists chiefly, not in the assent given to the testimony of God in his Word, but in embracing with fiducial reliance and trust the one and only Saviour whom God reveals. This trust and reliance is of the essence of faith. By faith the believer directly and immediately appropriates Christ as his own.

Faith in its direct act makes Christ ours. It is not a work which God graciously accepts instead of perfect obedience, but is only the hand by which we take hold of the person and work of our Redeemer as the only ground of our salvation.

Saving faith is a moral act, as it proceeds from a renewed will, and a renewed will is necessary to believing assent to the truth of God (1 Cor. 2:14; 2 Cor. 4:4). Faith, therefore, has its seat in the moral part of our nature fully as much as in the intellectual.

The mind must first be enlightened by divine teaching (John 6:44; Acts 13:48; 2 Cor. 4:6; Eph. 1:17, 18) before it can discern the things of the Spirit.

Faith is necessary to our salvation (Mark 16:16), not because there is any merit in it, but simply because it is the sinner's taking the place assigned him by God, his falling in with what God is doing. The warrant or ground of faith is the divine testimony, not the reasonableness of what God says, but the simple fact that he says it.

Faith rests immediately on, "Thus saith the Lord." But in order to this faith the veracity, sincerity, and truth of God must be owned and appreciated, together with his unchangeableness. God's word encourages and emboldens the sinner personally to transact with Christ as God's gift, to close with him, embrace him, give himself to Christ, and take Christ as his. That word comes with power, for it is the word of God who has revealed himself in his works, and especially in the cross.

God is to be believed for his word's sake, but also for his name's sake. Faith in Christ secures for the believer freedom from condemnation, or justification before God; a participation in the life that is in Christ, the divine life (John 14:19; Rom. 6:4-10; Eph. 4:15,16, etc.); "peace with God" (Rom. 5:1); and sanctification (Acts 26:18; Gal. 5:6; Acts 15:9).

All who thus believe in Christ will certainly be saved (John 6:37, 40; 10:27, 28; Rom. 8:1).

The faith=the gospel (Acts 6:7; Rom. 1:5; Gal. 1:23; 1 Tim. 3:9; Jude 1:3).

<Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary>

Idioms & Phrases

faith


act of faith; in bad (good) faith; leap of faith; on faith; pin one's hopes (faith) on.

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Encyclopedia

faith


inner attitude, conviction, or trust relating man to a supreme God or ultimate salvation. In religious traditions stressing divine grace, it is the inner certainty or attitude of love granted by God himself. In Christian theology, faith is the divinely inspired human response to God's historical revelation through Jesus Christ and, consequently, is of crucial significance.

Encyclopedia Britannica, 2008. Encyclopedia Britannica Online.

Cordially,
~Sparrowhawke


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FOOTNOTES /// ACCREDITATIONS /// REFERENCES

American Psychological Association (APA):
faith. (n.d.). <Retrieved September 08, 2009>

Chicago Manual Style (CMS):
faith. Dictionary.com. <accessed: September 08, 2009>

Modern Language Association (MLA):
"faith."

Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE):
Source location: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith.

BibTeX Bibliography Style (BibTeX)
@article {Dictionary.com2009,


Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
 
Thanks for your answers and welcomes! Sparrowhawke, I wanted to get your interpretation of faith since most people define it differently (Similar to how one cannot say a god does/does not exist until they get the definition of god from the person they are speaking with).

To me it seems that all conclusions we make come from some type of proof, and that faith is really just an irrelevant label we put on things we believe based on little proof. For example, there is an actual reason that people believe in for example - Jesus instead of Muhammad. Now this could be from surrounding culture, parents, or whatever but there is some naturalistic reason that people believe one over the other, but call it faith regardless.

But then again they are not necessarily exclusive. I guess faith can just be your dedication to the evidence you were presented, regardless of quantity? Maybe I just answered my own question :chin
 
Greetings Kilrizzy and thank you for the 2nd Post made here.

You'll notice that for the most part I quoted a common source -taken directly from the online Dictionary.com. The few words that came through me could be thought as a little too rough of a welcome by many and I'll admit that they don't do my "heart of welcome to the forum" an injustice. I also considered that you wouldn't be greatly offended and said that, "What? Is your dictionary broken?" thing to help engage the conversation too.

Frankly we don't know each other well enough to form any firm beliefs about what will be exchanged between us by way of conversation yet. I do take it on faith (trust) that you're gonna be civil and would also like to assure you that I too will try and hopefully succeed in this as well.

To boil it down and try to answer your 2nd question, please consider that the benefit <as I can best define> is found by me having "God-Trust".

Its primary idea is trust. A thing is true, and therefore worthy of trust.

I would disagree with your assessment and statement that "faith" labels things that are concluded from such stuff as those "things we believe based on little proof." It's okay for you to certain of your convictions and I'm okay with that. The way I've said it about other things is like this:

  • [list:11r9tja5]Interlocutor: "Are you sure about that?"
    Sparrow: "Yes, I am very sure."
    Interlocutor: "Are you certain?"
    Sparrow: "Yes, I am certain."
    Interlocutor: "How can you be sure?"
    Sparrow: "I may be wrong, but I am certain."
[/list:u:11r9tja5]

When it comes to matters of Faith and matters of God there is no uncertainty. My belief in God is not just of me but rather originates from God Himself. My trust is based on the knowledge that God is good. If I didn't think that? If I didn't know that? Why would I seek Him? It could only result in my destruction, right? If God didn't reward us and if I didn't trust this it would make absolutely no sense for me to seek to worship Him in spirit and truth.

Now when you entered here I had very little evidence of you being a reasonable person. It occurred to me that it was possible because you seemed to be exercising "reason" and your statements and requests looked reasonable to me. I had to trust that and it could be said that I had very very little evidence of it. So I was chiding you a bit and look what happened? You, sir, have shown more proof and I can honestly say that I was right <this is something we all like to do - prove ourselves right, right?>. So it could be said that I had faith in you and that this "Kilrizzy-Faith" has at least in part been justified.

In much the same way, I have excercised "God-Faith" or "God-Trust" and have never been disappointed. In point of fact, it has been found that as I honestly act on the basic tenants of Christianity and strive to cease from all sin the proofs that seems so elusive become so abundant. It's not just the striving either because the way it works is that I "strive" wrongfully so often. Eventually I give up and then go to God and say, "I can't do it." That's the key, my dependence on God for even the work that I want to do is the only thing that gets it done. You've heard about the 'gift of God' and how God is "willing to suffer long" with us. It's His goodness that I trust.

This then would be my prayer for you, sir: That you are given an abundant life that so firmly establishes your request for proof that there can be no denial. I'm asking the Lord God of Heaven to bring this and to do so unmistakably. There should be no need for any great discussion when experience is your best reply.

In the meantime, and again, W E L C O M E to the Forum!

Cordially yours,
A little one of His known as "Sparrowhawke"
 
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