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What is the name of God the Father?

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Hello everyone!

I've read this verse and I want to check whether my understanding is correct or not:

John 17:11 - I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.

In this scripture, Jesus is praying to the Father. What I would like know whether the name of God the Father is Jesus Christ in which He gave to His son when the Word (Jesus) became flesh.

Many thanks! :D
 
Yahweh. I will be who I be. The only self existing being.
 
Although the phrase "the name you gave me" is alot more powerful and means something more than Jesus' "physical" name, His "physical" name itself testifies to the Father's name and His purpose: Yeshua - from Yehoshua -> Yah Saves. Hoshea also means "he saves" and comes from yasha "to save". Originally Joshua's name was Hoshea, but Moses named him Yehoshua to indicate who it was who saves: Yah. "But Moses called Hoshea the son of Nun, Yehoshua" (Numbers 13:16). And of course Yah is just a shortening of God's divine name Yahweh.

God Bless,

~Josh
 
amithe1 said:
Hello everyone!

I've read this verse and I want to check whether my understanding is correct or not:

John 17:11 - I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.

In this scripture, Jesus is praying to the Father. What I would like know whether the name of God the Father is Jesus Christ in which He gave to His son when the Word (Jesus) became flesh.

Many thanks! :D

Now as for the "more powerful" part, the actual name of God signifies His authority, reputation, and character. For example, "How majestic is Your name in all the earth" (Psalm 8:1) is not simply talking about a title but rather a declaration of God's character and fame. The defamation of this name is also a source cause of punishment, specifically to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans, "You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written" (Romans 2:23-24). By their actions they shamed the pure religion (James 1:27) of God and it reflected badly on God and His Kingdom, and also when God wanted to destroy the Israelites for their idolatry with the golden calf Moses interceded (Exod 32:11-13) by invoking God's reputation in the eyes of the Egyptians and his promises to the Patriarchs. Many times infact we see God saying that He will do things, not for the sake of the disobedient Israelites, but for His own name's sake. Ezekiel 36:20-21 is one such example, "When they came to the nations where they went, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, 'These are the people of the LORD; yet they have come out of His land.' But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they went."

But the most important parallel in the OT, because Jesus wasn't simply making this stuff up - it had been promised since Sinai, to John 17:11 which you quoted, is Deuteronomy 18:18-19 where God declared, "I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him." Jesus was given the full authority of God's own name and that carried with it the full authority and power of God which requires judgment for anyone who does not heed His words. Thus what Jesus was saying was that God had given Him the "power of His name" to protect his disciples and was supplicating on their behalf that God be faithful to that name, His reputation, and protect them by His power.

I hope that helps.

God Bless,

~Josh
 
I can't remember who but I remember them believing the entire Word of God is God's name.
THAT is one long name! :o
 
It seems that both the Father and the Son share the name "Yahweh":

Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven... Genesis 19:24

Two divine Individuals in one verse, each of whom is named "Yahweh"! The Son speaking to Abraham on the earth, whom Abraham addressed as "Yahweh", and who went on to Sodom and Gomorrah, and "Yahweh" in heaven, who through the Son rained fire and brimstone of Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
At Exodus 3:14,15, God told Moses concerning his name and it's meaning to the sons of Israel: "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be....This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ' I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you....This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ' Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name to time indefinite, and this is a memorial of me to generation after generation."

J. B. Rotherham's translation, The Emphasized Bible, renders Exodus 3:14 as "I Will Become whatsoever I please." And the online interlinear, Scripture4all, reads of the meaning of God's name of Jehovah: "I-shall-become who I-am-becoming." The name Jehovah is from the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Hebrew verb ha·wah´ (become); meaning “He Causes to Becomeâ€Â.

It is the personal name of God, for Isaiah 42:8 says: "I am Jehovah. That is my name;" Though Scripturally designated by such descriptive titles as “God,†“Sovereign Lord,†“Creator,†“Father,†“the Almighty,†and “the Most High,†his personality and attributesâ€â€who and what he isâ€â€are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name, for Psalms 83:18 says: "That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth."

A very noted and loyal individual was David, whose name is mentioned in the Bible over 1000 times. Yet, God's name of Jehovah far surpasses that, with over 7000 times. However, many Bibles use it only a few times, such as the King James Bible which only has within it's pages four times - Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2 and 26:4. The New King James Bible has completely removed this most holy of names from it's covers and replaced it with God or Lord.

In Hebrew it is represented by the four consonants Yod He Waw He (×™×â€Ã—•×â€), called the Tetragrammaton, read from right to left. Those speaking the original language Hebrew supplied the vowel sounds, but people today do not know for certain what those were. While some favor the spelling Yahweh, the form Jehovah is common and suitably identifies our Creator.

Since certainty of pronunciation is not now attainable, there seems to be no reason for abandoning in English the well-known form “Jehovah†in favor of some other suggested pronunciation. If such a change were made, then, to be consistent, changes should be made in the spelling and pronunciation of a host of other names found in the Scriptures: Jeremiah would be changed to Yir·meyah´, Isaiah would become Yesha‛·ya´hu, and Jesus would be either Yehoh·shu´a‛ (as in Hebrew) or I·e·sous´ (as in Greek). The purpose of words is to transmit thoughts; in English the name Jehovah identifies the true God, transmitting this thought more satisfactorily today than any of the suggested substitutes.
 
Since certainty of pronunciation is not now attainable,

If we take into consideration Jewish thought, two things come into mind.
First, the name YHVH was only uttered one time a year (Yom Kippur) because
a. The name was Holy and Sacred.
b. Some Jewish believers thought that the name was unpronounceable, that it couldn't be pronounced simply because the way the letters were constructed. (Hebrew language is verb based, not noun based like German or English)
Sidenote: Jewish followers of the Kabbalah believe that the tetragrammon holds many faucets into the insight of who God is, and how humanity was created.

In summary, YHVH (God) is not a noun.
 
StoveBolts said:
Since certainty of pronunciation is not now attainable,

If we take into consideration Jewish thought, two things come into mind.
First, the name YHVH was only uttered one time a year (Yom Kippur) because
a. The name was Holy and Sacred.
b. Some Jewish believers thought that the name was unpronounceable, that it couldn't be pronounced simply because the way the letters were constructed. (Hebrew language is verb based, not noun based like German or English)
Sidenote: Jewish followers of the Kabbalah believe that the tetragrammon holds many faucets into the insight of who God is, and how humanity was created.

In summary, YHVH (God) is not a noun.

Could you post the site were you got this information from ?
 
I'll do the best I can. It's mostly information I've picked up over the course of reading an assortment of material. Sift and sort, sift and sort :wink:

Here's a good start.

Check out how their language was oriented.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/

I'd like to note that it was not forbidden to say God's name, but the people would not use it like we use it today.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... tter=N#174
http://altreligion.about.com/library/gl ... fsyhvh.htm

Here's some Jewish Cabalistic thought.
http://www.ohalah.org/seidenberg.htm
http://kethar.livejournal.com/174246.html
 
Due to Jewish thought absorbing Greek culture prior to Jesus coming on the scene in Israel in 29 C.E., the name of God, Jehovah, was used little or none. At some point a superstitious idea arose among the Jews that it was wrong even to pronounce the divine name (represented by the Tetragrammaton). Just what basis was originally assigned for discontinuing the use of the name is not definitely known. Some hold that the name was viewed as being too sacred for imperfect lips to speak. Yet the Hebrew Scriptures themselves (commonly called the Old Testament) give no evidence that any of God’s true servants ever felt any hesitancy about pronouncing his name. Non-Biblical Hebrew documents, such as the so-called Lachish Letters, show the name was used in regular correspondence in Palestine during the latter part of the seventh century B.C.E.

Another view is that the intent was to keep non-Jewish peoples from knowing the name and possibly misusing it. However, Jehovah himself said that he would ‘have his name declared in all the earth’ (Ex 9:16; compare 1Ch 16:23, 24; Ps 113:3; Mal 1:11, 14), to be known even by his adversaries. (Isa 64:2) The name was in fact known and used by pagan nations both in pre-Common Era times and in the early centuries of the Common Era. (The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1976, Vol. XII, p. 119) Another claim is that the purpose was to protect the name from use in magical rites. If so, this was poor reasoning, as it is obvious that the more mysterious the name became through disuse the more it would suit the purposes of practicers of magic.

When did the superstition take hold? Just as the reason or reasons originally advanced for discontinuing the use of the divine name are uncertain, so, too, there is much uncertainty as to when this superstitious view really took hold. Some claim that it began following the Babylonian exile (607-537 B.C.E.). This theory, however, is based on a supposed reduction in the use of the name by the later writers of the Hebrew Scriptures, a view that does not hold up under examination. Malachi, for example, was evidently one of the last books of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) written (in the latter half of the fifth century B.C.E.), and it gives great prominence to the divine name.

Many reference works have suggested that the name ceased to be used by about 300 B.C.E. Evidence for this date supposedly was found in the absence of the Tetragrammaton (or a transliteration of it) in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, begun about 280 B.C.E. It is true that the most complete manuscript copies of the Septuagint now known do consistently follow the practice of substituting the Greek words Ky´ri·os (Lord) or The·os´ (God) for the Tetragrammaton. But these major manuscripts date back only as far as the fourth and fifth centuries C.E. More ancient copies, though in fragmentary form, have been discovered that prove that the earliest copies of the Septuagint did contain the divine name.

One of these is the fragmentary remains of a papyrus roll of a portion of Deuteronomy,(Deut 18:15,16) listed as P. Fouad Inventory No. 266. It regularly presents the Tetragrammaton, written in square Hebrew characters, in each case of its appearance in the Hebrew text being translated. This papyrus is dated by scholars as being from the first century B.C.E., and thus it was written four or five centuries earlier than the Codex Alexandrinus of the 5th century C.E., which had replaced the Tetragrammaton with KC and KY, abbreviated forms of the Greek word Kyrios ("Lord"). Thus, in the centuries following the death of the last apostle, John, in about 100 C.E., the Divine name of Jehovah was eventually replaced by "Lord". However, some Bibles have reestablished God's name of Jehovah within their pages, as was in the most ancient manuscripts, such as the New World Translation, the American Standard Version, Young's Bible, and Darby's Bible.(see also the online interlinear, Scripture4all)

(Source of some of the information - Insight On the Scriptures, Vol 2, pg 5)
 
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