What is his name, and what is his son's name?

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There are good witnesses that the original books of New Testament were written in Hebrew and Aramaic:

file:///C:/Users/Admin/Documents/Class%20Religios%20Articles/hebrew-aramaic-origin-of-the-new-testament.pdf

Not likely. Luke himself was a Gentile, writing his gospel to at least one other Gentile, so why would he write in Hebrew? All of Paul's writings were to Gentiles, so again, why would he write in Hebrew?

https://www.logos.com/grow/min-was-the-new-testament-written-in-hebrew-aramaic-or-greek/

In the OT of most English Bibles, instead YHWH we read "LORD". We know that it is not correct. There is no difference with the NT.

Which isn't the point. The point, again, is that the original OT, written in Hebrew, uses YHWH and the original NT, written in Greek, uses kurios when quoting passages from the OT that use YHWH. They also didn't use Yeshua of Jesus. Both of these mean that the writers of the NT don't fit your criteria of 2 Thess. 2:10.

I did not say that. What I said (actually, the Bible not I) is when people know the truth and reject it, they won't be saved (2 Thess 2:10).

Which is to imply that if one doesn't use Yahweh and Yeshua then they aren't saved. However, that is a misuse of 2 Thess. 2:10.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

What are the true names of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is important to know them?

"What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)

Here are the verses around your quote (the context), which seem to say something different from your meaning:
Pro 30:1 The words of Agur son of Jakeh. The oracle. The man declares, I am weary, O God; I am weary, O God, and worn out.
Pro 30:2 Surely I am too stupid to be a man. I have not the understanding of a man.
Pro 30:3 I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One.
Pro 30:4 Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!
Pro 30:5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Pro 30:6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

Agur seems to be mocking someone who accused him of having no wisdom. He doesn't seem to be taking those questions seriously.

 

[live2blive]

Not likely. Luke himself was a Gentile, writing his gospel to at least one other Gentile, so why would he write in Hebrew? All of Paul's writings were to Gentiles, so again, why would he write in Hebrew?

Paul's writings were to both Jews and Gentiles. He addressed his letters to Jewish believers to relate the message to the Gentiles.

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? (Romans 7:1).

Jews knew the law, Gentiles did not.

Which isn't the point. The point, again, is that the original OT, written in Hebrew, uses YHWH and the original NT, written in Greek, uses kurios when quoting passages from the OT that use YHWH. They also didn't use Yeshua of Jesus. Both of these mean that the writers of the NT don't fit your criteria of 2 Thess. 2:10

"The New Testament writers quoted from the Septuagint extensively, and it was a beloved text to the early Church. When a text is used as a standard for centuries like the Septuagint was, many things become ingrained in tradition.

So it’s highly probable that the Septuagint’s use of the title kurios in the place of God’s name came to be a strong tradition in many circles. "

Why Didn’t the New Testament Authors Use God’s Name? Part 3 | Andrew Case

The use of “Lord” for the divine name probably helped identify Jesus with the God of the Old Testament.

textandcanon.org

 

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Paul's writings were to both Jews and Gentiles. He addressed his letters to Jewish believers to relate the message to the Gentiles.

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? (Romans 7:1).

Jews knew the law, Gentiles did not.

Those were Gentile churches that consisted mainly of Gentiles and some Hellenistic Jews, who would have spoken Greek.

"The New Testament writers quoted from the Septuagint extensively, and it was a beloved text to the early Church. When a text is used as a standard for centuries like the Septuagint was, many things become ingrained in tradition.

So it’s highly probable that the Septuagint’s use of the title kurios in the place of God’s name came to be a strong tradition in many circles. "

Why Didn’t the New Testament Authors Use God’s Name? Part 3 | Andrew Case

The use of “Lord” for the divine name probably helped identify Jesus with the God of the Old Testament.

textandcanon.org

Exactly my point, which is that they didn’t use YHWH, which you claim means they rejected the truth and won’t be saved. That means all those who translated and used the Septuagint and all the writers of the NT.

 

[live2blive]

Here are the verses around your quote (the context), which seem to say something different from your meaning:
Pro 30:1 The words of Agur son of Jakeh. The oracle. The man declares, I am weary, O God; I am weary, O God, and worn out.
Pro 30:2 Surely I am too stupid to be a man. I have not the understanding of a man.
Pro 30:3 I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One.
Pro 30:4 Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!
Pro 30:5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Pro 30:6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

Agur seems to be mocking someone who accused him of having no wisdom. He doesn't seem to be taking those questions seriously.

As I understand it, Agur is praying to God, not mocking someone.

 

[Consecrated Life]

What are the true names of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is important to know them?

If you are His child you will know His name because the Spirit has placed it in your heart.

Gal 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The translation of which is "Daddy"
A name which makes perfect sense since to cry from the heart to your Daddy is something that can only happen in a Love relationship.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14

This statement was in response to a direct question from Moses.


Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
Exodus 3:13

To take it a step further, Jesus claimed with seven "I AM" statements in the Gospel of John, thus identifying directly with the God of the burning bush, that he is God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit as ONE God, mysterious yet revealed.

 

[live2blive]

If you are His child you will know His name because the Spirit has placed it in your heart.

Gal 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The translation of which is "Daddy"
A name which makes perfect sense since to cry from the heart to your Daddy is something that can only happen in a Love relationship.

If a child gets lost in Manhatten, and when the police asks, "What is your father's name" the child answers "Daddy", do you think the father will be easily located?

 

[Consecrated Life]

If a child gets lost in Manhatten, and when the police asks, "What is your father's name" the child answers "Daddy", do you think the father will be easily located?

Your analogy is absurd on multiple levels.
Gal 4:6 speaks of a Child of God who knows and is speaking to the Father alone intimately in Spirit.
They are anything but "lost" as you suggest.
Your story contains not one comparable component of the verse.
Did you ever address your Father by His name when alone with him ?
Even on a strictly human level your story makes no sense .
I have been lost once as a small child and I can tell you from experience the first and foremost thing an officer or any adult wants an answered from small child obviously lost is . " What is your name", not " What is your Father's name.

 

[live2blive]

Your analogy is absurd on multiple levels.
Gal 4:6 speaks of a Child of God who knows and is speaking to the Father alone intimately in Spirit.
They are anything but "lost" as you suggest.
Your story contains not one comparable component of the verse.
Did you ever address your Father by His name when alone with him ?
Even on a strictly human level your story makes no sense .
I have been lost once as a small child and I can tell you from experience the first and foremost thing an officer or any adult wants an answered from small child obviously lost is . " What is your name", not " What is your Father's name.

The simple point is that "Daddy" or "Father" is not a name. Yes, an officer or any adult would ask a small child who is lost "What is your name". If the child answers "Joe", it won't help to find his family. But if he says "Joe Grudzinski", it will be much easier to find it, as "Grudzinski" is his father's name. We come in our fathers' name, as the Son, Yahshua, came in His Father's name, Yahweh.

When I am alone, I address the Creator as "Father". But when I talk to people about Him, I declare His name "Yahweh" with reverence and gladness. When I am alone, I address my Savior by His true name, Yahshua.

 

[Consecrated Life]

When I am alone, I address the Creator as "Father". But when I talk to people about Him, I declare His name "Yahweh" with reverence and gladness. When I am alone, I address my Savior by His true name, Yahshua.

You are still not making any sense
So if you call Him Father when alone why would you call Him something different when talking to people ?

Using your own earthly concoction of an analogy, If you are Jim Smith and you are telling someone about a trip you took with your father would you say , " Me and Bob Smith were in Belize last month" or would you say "My father and I were in Belize last month" ?
Since when you are alone with him you call him something else ?
Additionally what scripture do you cite where Jesus instructs us not to call Him Father in the presence of others ?
You never gave Jesus's example of doing that?

Abba or ab·ba​

[ ab-uh ]
New Testament. an Aramaic word for father, used by Jesus and Paul to address God in a relation of personal intimacy.

 

[JLB]

To take it a step further, Jesus claimed with seven "I AM" statements in the Gospel of John, thus identifying directly with the God of the burning bush, that he is God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit as ONE God, mysterious yet revealed.

Amen.

 

[Consecrated Life]

What are the true names of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is important to know them?

"What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)

For me there is only one name on which all life depends:

Act 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[live2blive]

You are still not making any sense
So if you call Him Father when alone why would you call Him something different when talking to people ?

Using your own earthly concoction of an analogy, If you are Jim Smith and you are telling someone about a trip you took with your father would you say , " Me and Bob Smith were in Belize last month" or would you say "My father and I were in Belize last month" ?
Since when you are alone with him you call him something else ?
Additionally what scripture do you cite where Jesus instructs us not to call Him Father in the presence of others ?
You never gave Jesus's example of doing that?

Abba or ab·ba​

[ ab-uh ]
New Testament. an Aramaic word for father, used by Jesus and Paul to address God in a relation of personal intimacy.

Let's say that I have a famous father. When I talk to others I would say that my father is Bill Clinton or Mikhail Gorbachev. The point is that God has a Name and He (not just I) wants people to know it and glorify it. For people to intimately know God to call Him their Father they should know the name of the Father. If someone claims that he has a close friendship with me and don't know my name, it would be a lie?

Here is what the Messiah said:

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name (Matthew 6:9).

And I have declared unto them thy name (John 17:26).

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

 

[live2blive]

For me there is only one name on which all life depends:

Act 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Yes, I agree. What name did Peter proclaim when he said this?

 

[Consecrated Life]

Let's say that I have a famous father. When I talk to others I would say that my father is Bill Clinton or Mikhail Gorbachev. The point is that God has a Name and He (not just I) wants people to know it and glorify it. For people to intimately know God to call Him their Father they should know the name of the Father. If someone claims that he has a close friendship with me and don't know my name, it would be a lie?

Here is what the Messiah said:

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name (Matthew 6:9).

And I have declared unto them thy name (John 17:26).

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

"Father"
Exactly !
Matthew 6:9 also being the verse Jesus gives New Testament Salvation instruction for the forgiveness of sins, by the way.
" Our Father .......forgive us our trespasses..," (Matthew 6:9)

 

[live2blive]

"Father"
Exactly !
Matthew 6:9 also being the verse Jesus gives New Testament Salvation instruction for the forgiveness of sins, by the way.
" Our Father .......forgive us our trespasses..," (Matthew 6:9)

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name (Matthew 6:9).

A simple question: Do you hallow (honor) the name of the Father?