What is his name, and what is his son's name?

[live2blive]

As I have stated the translation comes from Aramaic and not Hebrew, because the Rabbi's changed the Hebrew language so God's name could not be spoken.

Yahwah is the correct spelling, and Yahshua is the correct spelling.







Yahshua is the deliverer, and Yahwah is our savior. The translators of our bible have been dishonest do to their personal beliefs.

No, Rabbi's did not change the Hebrew language so God's name could not be spoken. Rabbis forbade to speak the name Yahweh without changing Hebrew language. https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14346-tetragrammaton

The Hebrew language did not have an E vowel until about the tenth century AD.

It is not accurate. The Hebrew language did not have WRITTEN vowels until about the tenth century AD, but everyone in Israel knew how to pronounce the words. If they did not have E vowel, then, according to you, it should be "Alohim" instead of "Elohim".

 

[JLB]

No, Rabbi's did not change the Hebrew language so God's name could not be spoken. Rabbis forbade to speak the name Yahweh without changing Hebrew language. https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14346-tetragrammaton

It is not accurate. The Hebrew language did not have WRITTEN vowels until about the tenth century AD, but everyone in Israel knew how to pronounce the words. If they did not have E vowel, then, according to you, it should be "Alohim" instead of "Elohim".

YHWH

 

[Free]

I see.

So the name of the Godhead is not the name above all names.


Got it!

It isn't Jesus, no. Oneness Pentecostals are also known as "Jesus Only," because they believe it is Jesus who is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So, when you say that Jesus is the name the Godhead chose to represent itself, it is Oneness Pentecostalism, unless you provide further clarification, but then that is all needlessly confusing.

More than that, though, nowhere does Scripture state that the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is Jesus. It is abundantly clear that Jesus is the name of the incarnate Son of God only and that the name of the Godhead is Yahweh.

 

[CherubRam]

No, Rabbi's did not change the Hebrew language so God's name could not be spoken. Rabbis forbade to speak the name Yahweh without changing Hebrew language. https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14346-tetragrammaton

It is not accurate. The Hebrew language did not have WRITTEN vowels until about the tenth century AD, but everyone in Israel knew how to pronounce the words. If they did not have E vowel, then, according to you, it should be "Alohim" instead of "Elohim".

Hebrew language | Origin, History, Alphabet, & Facts | Britannica

Hebrew language, Semitic language of the Northern Central group. Spoken in ancient times in Palestine, Hebrew was supplanted by the western dialect of Aramaic beginning about the 3rd century BCE. It was revived as a spoken language in the 19th and 20th centuries and is the official language of...

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There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg that this is because Hebrew scribes omitted the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ‎) into Jo (יוֹ‎), to make the start of "Yeho-" names not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name.[10][11]

Strong's #	the name	other element	English conventional form
long form	short form	long form	short form	long form	short form
3059	3099	יְהוֹאָחָז‎	Yᵉho'achaz	יוֹאָחָז‎	Yo'achaz	achaz [# 270]	Jehoahaz	Joahaz
3060	3101	יְהוֹאָש‎	Yᵉho'ash	יוֹאָש‎	Yo'ash	'esh [# 784]	Jehoash	Joash
3075	3107	יְהוֹזָבָד‎	Yᵉhozabad	יוֹזָבָד‎	Yozabad	zabad [# 2064]	Jehozabad	Jozabad
3076	3110	יְהוֹחָנָן‎	Yᵉhowchanan	יוֹחָנָן‎	Yochanan	chanan [# 2603]	Yehochanan	Jochanan
3077	3111	יְהוֹיָדָע‎	Yᵉhoyada	יוֹיָדָע‎	Yoyada	yada [# 3045]	Jehoiada	Joiada
3078	3112	יְהוֹיָכִין‎	Yᵉhoyakin	יוֹיָכִין‎	Yoyakin	kun [# 3559]	Yehoyakin	Joiakin
3079	3113	יְהוֹיָקִים‎	Yᵉhoyaqim	יוֹיָקִים‎	Yoyaqim	qum [# 3965]	Yehoyakim	Joakim
3080	3114	יְהוֹיָרִיב‎	Yᵉhoyarib	יוֹיָרִיב‎	Yoyarib	rib [# 7378]	Jehoiarib	Joiarib
3082	3122	יְהוֹנָדָב‎	Yᵉhonadab	יוֹנָדָב‎	Yonadab	nadab [# 5068]	Jehonadab	Jonadab
3083	3129	יְהוֹנָתָן‎	Yᵉhonathan	יוֹנָתָן‎	Yonathan	nathan [# 5414]	Yehonathan	Jonathan
3085	—	יְהוֹעַדָּה‎	Yᵉho'addah	—	—	'adah [# 5710]	Jehoaddah	—
3087	3136	יְהוֹצָדָק‎	Yᵉhotsadaq	יוֹצָדָק‎	Yotsadaq	tsadaq [# 6663]	Jehozadak	Jozadak
3088	3141	יְהוֹרָם‎	Yᵉhoram	יוֹרָם‎	Yoram	rum [# 7311]	Jehoram	Joram
3092	3146	יְהוֹשָפָט‎	Yᵉhoshaphat	יוֹשָפָט‎	Yoshaphat	shaphat [# 8199]	Jehoshaphat	Joshaphat
3470a	3470	יְשַׁעְיָהוּ‎	Yᵉsha'yahu	יְשַׁעְיָה‎	Yᵉsha'yah	yasha [# 3467]	Yeshayahu	Isaiah
5418a	5418	נְתַנְיָהוּ‎	Nᵉthanyahu	נְתַנְיָה‎	Nᵉthanyah	nathan [# 5414]	Netanyahu	Netaniah
138a	138	אֲדֹנִיָּהוּ‎	'Adoniyahu	אֲדֹנִיָּה‎	'Adoniyah	'adown [# 113]	Adoniyahu	Adonijah
452a	452	אֵלִיָּהוּ‎	'Eliyahu	אֵלִיָּה‎	'Eliyah	'el [# 410]	Eliyahu	Elijah
3414a	3414	יִרְמְיָהוּ‎	Yirmᵉyahu	יִרְמְיָה‎	Yirmᵉyah	rum [# 7311]	Yirmeyahu	Jeremiah
—	5166	—	—	נְחֶמְיָה‎	Nᵉchemyah	nacham [# 5162]	—	Nechemiah

 

[CherubRam]

In ancient Hebrew the word God would be translated as IL. Later change to EL in modern Hebrew.

In Old English God's name would be spelled Yahuah. In Modern English it is spelled Yahwah. Words with a U and a double U sound are assigned the letter W.

Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. The letter W is a descendant of the letter V. This letter did not come into existence until after the Norman Conquest of England in 1066. Until then, the Latin letter V, which was inherited from Greek and Phoenician writings (1), was used for both the sound v and the sound w.

 

[CherubRam]

Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."

Y’shua is Yahshua
After the return from Babylonian captivity the Jews began a practice of not speaking or writing God’s name, or His name in full. It is also known that the Galileans dropped their ayins, so as to not say God’s name. In a theophoric name even the letter yod can stand for the name Yah. Even today we use initial letters to represent a full name. Y’shua is Yahshua.

 

[CherubRam]

Aramaic form (Ye / shua) (ישוע), for (Joshua / Yahshua,) which means "Yah's Salvation, or Yah's Helper"

The single Hebrew letter Yod stands for the short form of God's name Yah.

Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."

 

[live2blive]

There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg ...

Sorry, I am not interested in theories.

 

[live2blive]

Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."

Y’shua is Yahshua
After the return from Babylonian captivity the Jews began a practice of not speaking or writing God’s name, or His name in full. It is also known that the Galileans dropped their ayins, so as to not say God’s name. In a theophoric name even the letter yod can stand for the name Yah. Even today we use initial letters to represent a full name. Y’shua is Yahshua.

We agree on that. This is a good explanation of the name "Yahshua". Thank you.

 

[live2blive]

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12).

Knowing the true name of the Savior is important for salvation!

 

[Free]

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12).

Knowing the true name of the Savior is important for salvation!

Is it though? Do you think that if someone doesn't know the name Yeshua that they won't be saved? Is God so small that only knowing him by his translated names is going to prevent him from saving?

 

[CherubRam]

Is it though? Do you think that if someone doesn't know the name Yeshua that they won't be saved? Is God so small that only knowing him by his translated names is going to prevent him from saving?

Dishonoring His Name
For thousands of years the refusing to use a person's name has been a direct form of dishonor. Shortening the name, replacing the name, distorting the name, all are signs of dishonor.

Honorable Mention
An “honorable mention” is a title of distinction given to a person worthy of mention. Upon honoring the person their name is mentioned, so their name has a place of honor known among the people.

Malachi 1:6
“A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name. ...

Malachi 2:2
If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says [the LORD / Yahwah Almighty], “I will send a curse on you,...


Psalm 118:26
Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.) From the house of (the Lord / Yahwah) we bless you.

Matthew 21:9
The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah)!” “Hosanna in the highest heaven!”

Matthew 23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)’”
I
Mark 11:9
Those who went ahead and those who followed shouted, “Hosanna!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)

 

[live2blive]

Is it though? Do you think that if someone doesn't know the name Yeshua that they won't be saved? Is God so small that only knowing him by his translated names is going to prevent him from saving?

God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). You see, MUST! When people didn't know the truth, at "the times of this ignorance God winked at" (Acts 17:30). When the truth is presented with the witnesses, God "commandeth all men every where to repent" [turn away from ignorance and accept the truth] (Acts 17:30). If they don't do that, they will be judged accordingly: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved (2 Thessalonians 2:10). This is not my theory, but this is what the Bible teaches.

 

[Free]

Dishonoring His Name
For thousands of years the refusing to use a person's name has been a direct form of dishonor. Shortening the name, replacing the name, distorting the name, all are signs of dishonor.

Honorable Mention
An “honorable mention” is a title of distinction given to a person worthy of mention. Upon honoring the person their name is mentioned, so their name has a place of honor known among the people.

What does this have to do with Hebrew and Greek translated in numerous languages?

Malachi 1:6
“A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name. ...

You purposely cut it short and left out the context which shows your misuse of this verse:

Mal 1:6 “A son honors his father, and a servant his master. If then I am a father, where is my honor? And if I am a master, where is my fear? says the LORD of hosts to you, O priests, who despise my name. But you say, ‘How have we despised your name?’
Mal 1:7 By offering polluted food upon my altar. But you say, ‘How have we polluted you?’ By saying that the LORD's table may be despised.
Mal 1:8 When you offer blind animals in sacrifice, is that not evil? And when you offer those that are lame or sick, is that not evil? Present that to your governor; will he accept you or show you favor? says the LORD of hosts. (ESV)

But, it also ignores the fact that the the OT was written in Hebrew by a Jew to his fellow Israelites. The biblical texts have been translated into numerous languages for people who don’t speak Hebrew or Greek.

Malachi 2:2
If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says [the LORD / Yahwah Almighty], “I will send a curse on you,...

That just a continuation of Mal. 1:

Mal 2:1 “And now, O priests, this command is for you.
Mal 2:2 If you will not listen, if you will not take it to heart to give honor to my name, says the LORD of hosts, then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you do not lay it to heart.
Mal 2:3 Behold, I will rebuke your offspring, and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it. (ESV)

Same context, so it is dealing with the same way of dishonouring his name.

Psalm 118:26
Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.) From the house of (the Lord / Yahwah) we bless you.

Matthew 21:9
The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah)!” “Hosanna in the highest heaven!”

Matthew 23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)’”
I
Mark 11:9
Those who went ahead and those who followed shouted, “Hosanna!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)

These don’t answer the questions I asked.

 

[Free]

God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). You see, MUST! When people didn't know the truth, at "the times of this ignorance God winked at" (Acts 17:30). When the truth is presented with the witnesses, God "commandeth all men every where to repent" [turn away from ignorance and accept the truth] (Acts 17:30). If they don't do that, they will be judged accordingly: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved (2 Thessalonians 2:10). This is not my theory, but this is what the Bible teaches.

This is fallaciously begging the question. You are assuming that worshiping God "in spirit and in truth" has to do with his names in Hebrew and Greek. So, I ask again: Do you think that if someone doesn't know the name Yeshua that they won't be saved? Is God so small that only knowing him by his translated names is going to prevent him from saving?

Here is a fatal flaw in your argument: YHWH is not mentioned anywhere in the NT; the writers always used kurios when referring to God and even when quoting the OT where it used YHWH. If the gospels record Jesus using kurios of the Father, and all the writers of the NT use it to refer to the Father and Yahweh, then on what grounds must we use Yeshua to refer to Christ when we speak English and people all over the world speak different languages?

 

[CherubRam]

This is fallaciously begging the question. You are assuming that worshiping God "in spirit and in truth" has to do with his names in Hebrew and Greek. So, I ask again: Do you think that if someone doesn't know the name Yeshua that they won't be saved? Is God so small that only knowing him by his translated names is going to prevent him from saving?

Here is a fatal flaw in your argument: YHWH is not mentioned anywhere in the NT; the writers always used kurios when referring to God and even when quoting the OT where it used YHWH. If the gospels record Jesus using kurios of the Father, and all the writers of the NT use it to refer to the Father and Yahweh, then on what grounds must we use Yeshua to refer to Christ when we speak English and people all over the world speak different languages?

You can call Yahwah Satan if you want to, but I wouldn't if I were you.
The English language barrows from other languages.
God's name IN ENGLISH is Yahwah.
Christ name IN ENGLISH is Yahshua.

 

[Free]

You can call Yahwah Satan if you want to, but I wouldn't if I were you.

Why would I want to?

The English language barrows from other languages.
God's name IN ENGLISH is Yahwah.
Christ name IN ENGLISH is Yahshua.

Those aren’t even the names in Hebrew. How can you then expect to be saved? Why make God so petty and small-minded?

 

[live2blive]

This is fallaciously begging the question. You are assuming that worshiping God "in spirit and in truth" has to do with his names in Hebrew and Greek. So, I ask again: Do you think that if someone doesn't know the name Yeshua that they won't be saved? Is God so small that only knowing him by his translated names is going to prevent him from saving?

I answered this question, but apparently it was not clear. When people don't know the truth, in this case the true names, God can overlook this ignorance (i.e. people can be saved based on what they do with what thay do know). If they know but prefer to ignore it and follow the traditions of men, there is no salvation (2 Thess 2:10).

Here is a fatal flaw in your argument: YHWH is not mentioned anywhere in the NT; the writers always used kurios when referring to God and even when quoting the OT where it used YHWH. If the gospels record Jesus using kurios of the Father, and all the writers of the NT use it to refer to the Father and Yahweh, then on what grounds must we use Yeshua to refer to Christ when we speak English and people all over the world speak different languages?

This is not so as it depends on the translation of NT. Here is an example: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10:13). Paul is quoting OT (Joel) where there is YHWH in the Hebrew Bible instead of Lord (kurios). As you likely know, YHWH was changed by the religious Jews to Adonai in Hebrew and accordingly to Kurios in Greek; both mean "the Lord".

 

[Free]

I answered this question, but apparently it was not clear. When people don't know the truth, in this case the true names, God can overlook this ignorance (i.e. people can be saved based on what they do with what thay do know). If they know but prefer to ignore it and follow the traditions of men, there is no salvation (2 Thess 2:10).

Which has nothing to do with the true names of God. You have no support for your position.

This is not so as it depends on the translation of NT. Here is an example: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10:13). Paul is quoting OT (Joel) where there is YHWH in the Hebrew Bible instead of Lord (kurios). As you likely know, YHWH was changed by the religious Jews to Adonai in Hebrew and accordingly to Kurios in Greek; both mean "the Lord".

No, it doesn't depend on the translation of the NT. You do realize that the NT was written in Greek, correct? In the Greek, kurios is used, not YHWH. A translation is just how the translators decided to translate in whatever language they're translating to. My whole point is that in quotations of the OT, when the writers of the NT could have used YHWH, they used kurios instead.

That does away with your argument that we must use the Hebrew names for God and Jesus or else we won't be saved.

 

[live2blive]

No, it doesn't depend on the translation of the NT. You do realize that the NT was written in Greek, correct?

There are good witnesses that the original books of New Testament were written in Hebrew and Aramaic:

file:///C:/Users/Admin/Documents/Class%20Religios%20Articles/hebrew-aramaic-origin-of-the-new-testament.pdf

In the Greek, kurios is used, not YHWH. A translation is just how the translators decided to translate in whatever language they're translating to. My whole point is that in quotations of the OT, when the writers of the NT could have used YHWH, they used kurios instead.

In the OT of most English Bibles, instead YHWH we read "LORD". We know that it is not correct. There is no difference with the NT.

That does away with your argument that we must use the Hebrew names for God and Jesus or else we won't be saved.

I did not say that. What I said (actually, the Bible not I) is when people know the truth and reject it, they won't be saved (2 Thess 2:10).