What is the place of the words of Christ?

[Orthodoxy]

Orthodox Christian,

Christ is in our midst!

These days many, it seems, subjugate the word of Christ to the epistles of Paul on one hand, or the teaching of Torah on the other.

I have noticed that. Jesus at His word cannot be trusted and needs clarification under "messianc jew" understanding or a Paul is "da man" understanding. Many in the "Christian faith" appear to trump even the Apostles in the "knowledge of Him".

Is that not all our goals is to have a deeper "knowledge" and understanding of the person "Jesus Christ"?

Here is my question for consideration:
Which words are to be trusted above all?
1.All books and verses of the scriptures equally
2.All books of the scripture, with the New Testament serving as the lens through which the Old Testament is viewed
3.All books of the scriptures, with the words of Christ as the pinnacle
4.Some other explanation.

1,2,3. All scripture is truth. The NT does "serve as a lens" persay of the OT. Yes, the words of Jesus Christ (red bits) are the words we are "commanded to keep" which go hand in hand with the Apostles, Paul, Jude and others.

Every word of the bible is true. Every word of the bible is contained in the Truth. The "pillar and ground of truth" is the Church. The Holy Scripture is a piece of the whole mosaic called "The Church".

The Holy Scripture give in detail the life of the Church, the whole of Scripture is about Jesus Christ.

However as John said not everything about His life was written for we know at minimum He taught for 40 days with no record in the bible. He must have taught something. I believe these teachings are some of the "traditions" the reformation is trying to convince us are evil and not to be followed.

Frankly I do not see how anyone can claim the "fulness of Him" without both "tradition" and "written" knowledge of Him.

There is an interesting Scripture that may take us off topic but it is relevant.

Luke 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Luke 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how HE WAS KNOWN of them in breaking of bread.

Jesus Christ is known in the breaking of bread or the Eucharist/Communion it says here. The eye of men are opened to Jesus Christ and the Scriptures in the breaking of bread. Did I get this right?

Can you comment on how Jesus Christ is known in the "liturgical cycle" of the Church?

Your humble servant,

Kyril

 

[AwedbyGod]

I think that now that I have seen some replies I would have to amend what my initial response was by saying that the most important words would be the "red bits" since they are purported to be the words of Christ and hence are the very spoken words of God Himself.

We can never truly know that these words were the actual mistake-free words of Christ without accepting it on faith. That is the conundrum for me. It would seem if God wanted all people to read these words there would be a better way of veryifying and deciminating them.

 

[Orthodoxy]

I think that now that I have seen some replies I would have to amend what my initial response was by saying that the most important words would be the "red bits" since they are purported to be the words of Christ and hence are the very spoken words of God Himself.

We can never truly know that these words were the actual mistake-free words of Christ without accepting it on faith. That is the conundrum for me. It would seem if God wanted all people to read these words there would be a better way of veryifying and deciminating them.

This is why we have the Holy Orthodox Church and it's 2000 years of witness and wisdom that verifies in practice the word of Jesus Christ and His life.

On Orthodox Mount Athos in Greece, I have a dear friend that "sold all, gave it all to the poor, and follows Jesus Christ" with hundreds of others in prayer, fasting, and alms giving for the salvation of all mankind. These men live Jesus Christ. These men breath Jesus Christ. Everything about them is Jesus Christ.

Orthodoxy is a treasure trove of the Christian faith. Every "christians" inheritance.

Glory to God!

Orthodoxy

 

[cj]

This is why we have the Holy Orthodox Church and it's 2000 years of witness and wisdom that verifies in practice the word of Jesus Christ and His life.

On Orthodox Mount Athos in Greece, I have a dear friend that "sold all, gave it all to the poor, and follows Jesus Christ" with hundreds of others in prayer, fasting, and alms giving for the salvation of all mankind. These men live Jesus Christ. These men breath Jesus Christ. Everything about them is Jesus Christ.

Orthodoxy is a treasure trove of the Christian faith. Every "christians" inheritance.

Unfortunately for these lovers of this man-made apostate intitution, "Orthodoxy" (the institution and not the quoted person) will burn with the rest of the Babylonian system.

Then they will find their true condition to be quite poor in Life.

In love,
cj

 

[Orthodoxy]

Luke 9: 51-56:

And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,

And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.

And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

And they went to another village.

 

[AwedbyGod]

Imagine spending the rest of eternity in fellowship with the likes of cj. I shudder to think of it.

This is why we have the Holy Orthodox Church and it's 2000 years of witness and wisdom that verifies in practice the word of Jesus Christ and His life.

On Orthodox Mount Athos in Greece, I have a dear friend that "sold all, gave it all to the poor, and follows Jesus Christ" with hundreds of others in prayer, fasting, and alms giving for the salvation of all mankind. These men live Jesus Christ. These men breath Jesus Christ. Everything about them is Jesus Christ.

Orthodoxy is a treasure trove of the Christian faith. Every "christians" inheritance.

Unfortunately for these lovers of this man-made apostate intitution, "Orthodoxy" (the institution and not the quoted person) will burn with the rest of the Babylonian system.

Then they will find their true condition to be quite poor in Life.

In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Imagine spending the rest of eternity in fellowship with the likes of cj. I shudder to think of it.

Honestly Awed,...... do you even have the slightest notion of how vain a comment such as you made above is?

In love,
cj

 

[AwedbyGod]

Coming from someone who makes pronouncements on the salvation of entire groups of people your comment is laughable.

Imagine spending the rest of eternity in fellowship with the likes of cj. I shudder to think of it.

Honestly Awed,...... do you even have the slightest notion of how vain a comment such as you made above is?

In love,
cj

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Coming from someone who makes pronouncements on the salvation of entire groups of people your comment is laughable.

CJ is a font of self-unaware irony.