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What is the Tabernacle of David

Benoni

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Acts 15:16-18

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue (remainder) of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the wor
KJV


The Tabernacle of David; here was a small tent where the Ark of God was brought to Mount Zion/Sion; how many times is this name mentioned in the NT. Zion was mentioned 152 times in OT; where Sion was mention 7 times in NT; sure this was David’s home Solomon etc; but is also a symbolism.

Zion was the natural home of King David who is a type of Christ in Natural Jerusalem. Mt Zion was the head of natural Kingdom; just as Spiritual Mt Zion is the Spiritual high place of Christ in the book of Revelation. David did not need to go to a priest; let alone a high priest to visit the Ark (or the glory of God) it was in a tent or tabernacle on his back porch at Mt Zion. This is a beautiful type which tells us myriads of what God is tying to tell us in the Spirit of the Word.

David was king; He was God’s anointed King; not like Saul who was also anointed by God; but chosen by the people; like many ministries in the church (little c) realm today. David was one of those special people God called, anointed and was one after God’s own heart. David lived in Jerusalem and Mount Zion (Sion); That is where the earthly anointed King lived and all His court; what a wonderful type of the ruler ship of the spiritual Mount Zion.

When David brought the Ark back to Mount Zion he wore an linen ephod, (In other word’s a priestly garment) David also offered burnt offerings to God as the High priest would on the Feast of Tabernacles. There was no high Priest; once a year at the Feast of Atonement at Zion; but David was an example of both King and Priest in that the Ark was not at Shiloh but Zion. No outer court, no holy place, no Levitical order. It is no wonder the Bible is full of pages written by David because of the influence of God’s Ark at Zion.

2 Samuel 6:
14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
17And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD

Point being God is going to reestablish the Tabernacle of David in a called out people to become kings and priest unto God for the remainder of God’s people he has not called.
 
Acts 15:14 Acts 15:16
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.


Acts 15: 16-17 (NAS)
'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return,
AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS,
AND I WILL RESTORE IT, SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'

Acts 15: 16 (HCSB)
After these things I will return and will rebuild David's tent, which has fallen down. I will rebuild its ruins and will set it up again,
17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord—even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,
18 which have been known from long ago.

Acts 15 16 (NIRV)
" 'After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent.
I will rebuild what was destroyed. I will make it what it used to be.
17 Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.'
 
Zechariah 9:9 said:
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

According to "as it is written", they are speaking of the prophets speaking of the time they were in fulfilling what was written. Jesus sits on the throne of David and the church is the tabernacle in which the King dwells.
Acts 15:14-19 said:
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Psalm 132:11 said:
The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
Jeremiah 23:5-6 said:
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Luke 1:32-33 said:
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 
Jesus will always be on the throne but not the Church. There is big difference between God’s elect compared to the great multitude, which no man could number; but both are saved.

There are two types of people in the Book of Revelation; the Elect/Overcomer and everyone else.

All are heir to salvation does not make you the elect.

Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes (Church) BEFORE the throne (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.




glorydaz said:
Zechariah 9:9 said:
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

According to "as it is written", they are speaking of the prophets speaking of the time they were in fulfilling what was written. Jesus sits on the throne of David and the church is the tabernacle in which the King dwells.
[quote="Acts 15:14-19":3dezk5uw]Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Psalm 132:11 said:
The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
Jeremiah 23:5-6 said:
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Luke 1:32-33 said:
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
[/quote:3dezk5uw]
 
Benoni said:
Jesus will always be on the throne but not the Church. There is big difference between God’s elect compared to the great multitude, which no man could number; but both are saved.

There are two types of people in the Book of Revelation; the Elect/Overcomer and everyone else.

All are heir to salvation does not make you the elect.

Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes (Church) BEFORE the throne (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

No, there is no difference in the two groups you mention....they are all elect, for all are in Jesus and Jesus is the One who overcame the world and we, through Him, are overcomers.

The two groups who are different are the elect/believers and the unsaved/unbelievers.
The elect are the sheep...all those who are saved. The goats are the unbelievers.

Here we see the young men have overcome....the children's sins are forgiven and the fathers have known him from the beginning. These are all overcomers through Christ Jesus.
1 John 2:12-14 said:
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
Here...all who believe in Jesus have overcome.
1 John 5:4-6 said:
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
 
Can you read? Notice the overcomer are setting on the throne. The “great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, “stood before the throneâ€, they are not ruling and reigning they are “before†the throne.

Here is what God’s Word says about the overcomers Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev. 2:7.

"He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Rev. 2:11.

"To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Rev. 2:17.

"He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star." Rev. 2:26-28.

"He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name." Rev. 3:12, 13.

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne." Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Notice nothing was said about the great multitude which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues.... they are not the elect. They are not on the throne they are before the throne. If they are the same then how come they are not sitting on the throne.




Could you show me the unsaved believers, I have heard of the unjust and yes God will save the unjust but he will use the overcomers to save them so they are not the same believers.


Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


No, there is no difference in the two groups you mention....they are all elect, for all are in Jesus and Jesus is the One who overcame the world and we, through Him, are overcomers.

The two groups who are different are the elect/believers and the unsaved/unbelievers.
The elect are the sheep...all those who are saved. The goats are the unbelievers.
 
There is a lot more then overcoming the wicked one to become God's elect and an overcomer and rule and reign on HIS throne. I just posted a bunch of verse that speak of the overcomer and who and what they are. Overcoming something is not the same as being an overcomer.


1 John 2:12-14 wrote:
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
 
Benoni said:
Can you read? Notice the overcomer are setting on the throne. The “great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, “stood before the throneâ€, they are not ruling and reigning they are “before†the throne.

I won't read any farther than this...you're rude.

You seem to think the elect are so few in number that they can all sit on the same throne as our Lord.
In the first place...there is not a physical throne that only holds a small number of people, in the second place, you are so far off base you don't have any ground to stand on to begin with. You can choose to ignore scripture in favor of your own limited view, but you'll never convince anyone of anything if you're rude while you try to do so.
 
I have posted a whole thread called the Tabernacle of David on this verse verse. Apologetics and Theology just scool down till you see it. The Tabernacle of David is the overcomer.


Acts 15:14-19 wrote:
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
 
Benoni said:
I have posted a whole thread called the Tabernacle of David on this verse verse. Apologetics and Theology just scool down till you see it. The Tabernacle of David is the overcomer.


Acts 15:14-19 wrote:
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

You're wrong about that, too.
I don't care if you post a hundred threads.... :biglaugh
 
You are the one who is opinionated and cannot finish a good debate. BYE. By the wway your rude... :)
glorydaz said:
Benoni said:
Can you read? Notice the overcomer are setting on the throne. The “great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, “stood before the throneâ€, they are not ruling and reigning they are “before†the throne.

I won't read any farther than this...you're rude.

You seem to think the elect are so few in number that they can all sit on the same throne as our Lord.
In the first place...there is not a physical throne that only holds a small number of people, in the second place, you are so far off base you don't have any ground to stand on to begin with. You can choose to ignore scripture in favor of your own limited view, but you'll never convince anyone of anything if you're rude while you try to do so.
 
Benoni said:
There is a lot more then overcoming the wicked one to become God's elect and an overcomer and rule and reign on HIS throne. I just posted a bunch of verse that speak of the overcomer and who and what they are. Overcoming something is not the same as being an overcomer.


1 John 2:12-14 wrote:
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

You don't understand who the elect are....that it more than obvious.
 
Yes I understand who the elect are and they are not all belivers. Some 30, 60 100 fold. The elect are the 100 fold.

The elect are the sheep who hear his voice, not the baby goats who will eat anything. By the way both sheep and goats are both clean animals, that makes them both believers.

The elect are those who have spiritual ears, and spiritual eyes.

God’s deep truth are heard by individuals (singular) not by systems of religions (plural ears). Hearing is not with natural ears, carnal ears, or even religious ears.

The elect are those who hear; the word “hear†is mentioned 46 times in the Book of Revelation. Hear singular; not plural; notice the word over comer is so often used with the word hear singular. The word see is mentioned 22 times and this has nothing to do with natural hearing and seeing,

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.


Revelation 2:29
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Revelation 3:6
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:13
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Do you know what sup means?

Revelation 3:22
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:21-22 (in Context) Revelation 3 (Whole Chapter)



The elect of God are not all believers. The elect of God our the overcomers; only those see and hear what the spirit is saying to the out called. They are a far cry from the vast majority of believers who think because they are simply believing because they are the elect.




glorydaz said:
Benoni said:
There is a lot more then overcoming the wicked one to become God's elect and an overcomer and rule and reign on HIS throne. I just posted a bunch of verse that speak of the overcomer and who and what they are. Overcoming something is not the same as being an overcomer.


1 John 2:12-14 wrote:
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

You don't understand who the elect are....that it more than obvious.
 
Benoni said:
The elect of God are not all believers. The elect of God our the overcomers; only those see and hear what the spirit is saying to the out called. They are a far cry from the vast majority of believers who think because they are simply believing because they are the elect.

They aren't believers if they don't hear. Those who are born-again are the elect of God.
Certainly, not all who claim to be Christians are saved, but those who are saved are the elect.
Saved by grace through faith....those are the elect of God.
There is no elite group of believers. :shame
1 Peter 1:2 said:
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1 Peter 2:9-10 said:
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Believers are the children of the promise....all those who are born-again a new creature...the elect.
Ephesians 1:4-5 said:
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
Born again is great catch all term. I wish with all my heart that Christians would stop believing that they are born again the moment they believe. This doctrine, taught almost universally among evangelical people, has been an enormous hindrance in the progress of Christians, for they, thinking they have reached sonship, fail to press toward the mark of full sonship in Him. If men could only see that "that which is born of God cannot sin, for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God," (1 Jno. 3:9) then they would not be in such a hurry to declare that they are born again and thus full sons of God. There is a universe of difference between being justified by faith and being born again. Both the thief on the cross and the Philippian jailor believed on Christ and were justified from their sins, but I think we would be very wrong to imagine that they had done any more than "receive Him" and, because they had received Him, power was given to them to become sons of God.

We are speaking of God's elect not all believers. Hear what? the basic salvation message? There is so much more to hear. Basic salvation is nothing but the 30 fold experence.



glorydaz said:
Benoni said:
The elect of God are not all believers. The elect of God our the overcomers; only those see and hear what the spirit is saying to the out called. They are a far cry from the vast majority of believers who think because they are simply believing because they are the elect.

They aren't believers if they don't hear. Those who are born-again are the elect of God.
Certainly, not all who claim to be Christians are saved, but those who are saved are the elect.
Saved by grace through faith....those are the elect of God.
There is no elite group of believers. :shame
1 Peter 1:2 said:
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
[quote="1 Peter 2:9-10":2mwlqkdz] 9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Believers are the children of the promise....all those who are born-again a new creature...the elect.
Ephesians 1:4-5 said:
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
[/quote:2mwlqkdz]
 
Benoni said:
Born again is great catch all term. I wish with all my heart that Christians would stop believing that they are born again the moment they believe. This doctrine, taught almost universally among evangelical people, has been an enormous hindrance in the progress of Christians, for they, thinking they have reached sonship, fail to press toward the mark of full sonship in Him. If men could only see that "that which is born of God cannot sin, for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God," (1 Jno. 3:9) then they would not be in such a hurry to declare that they are born again and thus full sons of God. There is a universe of difference between being justified by faith and being born again. Both the thief on the cross and the Philippian jailor believed on Christ and were justified from their sins, but I think we would be very wrong to imagine that they had done any more than "receive Him" and, because they had received Him, power was given to them to become sons of God.

We are speaking of God's elect not all believers. Hear what? the basic salvation message? There is so much more to hear. Basic salvation is nothing but the 30 fold experence.
Those of us who ARE born again are VERY eager to announce it to the world.
Being BORN AGAIN is the BEGINNING of our walk, gent...it isnt the ENDING as you erroneously believe.
 
Benoni said:
Yes I understand who the elect are and they are not all belivers. Some 30, 60 100 fold. The elect are the 100 fold.
Oh dear Lord.... :crazy
I have to go to bed, but I can already tell what tripe Im going to have to weed thru tomorrow.
 
Benoni said:
Born again is great catch all term. I wish with all my heart that Christians would stop believing that they are born again the moment they believe. This doctrine, taught almost universally among evangelical people, has been an enormous hindrance in the progress of Christians, for they, thinking they have reached sonship, fail to press toward the mark of full sonship in Him. If men could only see that "that which is born of God cannot sin, for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God," (1 Jno. 3:9) then they would not be in such a hurry to declare that they are born again and thus full sons of God. There is a universe of difference between being justified by faith and being born again. Both the thief on the cross and the Philippian jailor believed on Christ and were justified from their sins, but I think we would be very wrong to imagine that they had done any more than "receive Him" and, because they had received Him, power was given to them to become sons of God.

We are speaking of God's elect not all believers. Hear what? the basic salvation message? There is so much more to hear. Basic salvation is nothing but the 30 fold experence.
I see you like to take certain verses and ignore others....the whole Word of God needs to be taken into consideration...John has already told us this...

God's word is not in you if you say you have no sin. The truth is not in you.
1 John 1:8-10 said:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So what does John mean when he says we cannot sin? Not what you're claiming, that's for sure.
1 John 3:9 said:
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Our sins are covered....sin is not imputed to us. We cannot sin because the blood washes them as white as snow.
Romans 4:7-8 said:
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
See here...the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us...because Christ abides in the believer.
Romans 8:4 said:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The incorruptible seed of Christ abides in the born again believer.
1 Peter 1: 18-23 said:
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
 
follower of Christ said:
Benoni said:
Yes I understand who the elect are and they are not all belivers. Some 30, 60 100 fold. The elect are the 100 fold.
Oh dear Lord.... :crazy
I have to go to bed, but I can already tell what tripe Im going to have to weed thru tomorrow.

Well, I, for one, am very happy to see you.
It's getting so deep another bucket will come in very handy. :wave
 
Point being not all who claim to be born again are born again, they are justified by faith. Do you sin?
There is a higher calling, a pressing towards the mark. Yes our sins our covered, the whole world's sin is covered, Jesus only need die once. It is finished. God has not called all people now, BUT when they come they have no freewill to choose.

glorydaz said:
Benoni said:
Born again is great catch all term. I wish with all my heart that Christians would stop believing that they are born again the moment they believe. This doctrine, taught almost universally among evangelical people, has been an enormous hindrance in the progress of Christians, for they, thinking they have reached sonship, fail to press toward the mark of full sonship in Him. If men could only see that "that which is born of God cannot sin, for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God," (1 Jno. 3:9) then they would not be in such a hurry to declare that they are born again and thus full sons of God. There is a universe of difference between being justified by faith and being born again. Both the thief on the cross and the Philippian jailor believed on Christ and were justified from their sins, but I think we would be very wrong to imagine that they had done any more than "receive Him" and, because they had received Him, power was given to them to become sons of God.

We are speaking of God's elect not all believers. Hear what? the basic salvation message? There is so much more to hear. Basic salvation is nothing but the 30 fold experence.
I see you like to take certain verses and ignore others....the whole Word of God needs to be taken into consideration...John has already told us this...

God's word is not in you if you say you have no sin. The truth is not in you.
1 John 1:8-10 said:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So what does John mean when he says we cannot sin? Not what you're claiming, that's for sure.
[quote="1 John 3:9":3fg25z00]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Our sins are covered....sin is not imputed to us. We cannot sin because the blood washes them as white as snow.
Romans 4:7-8 said:
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
See here...the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us...because Christ abides in the believer.
Romans 8:4 said:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The incorruptible seed of Christ abides in the born again believer.
1 Peter 1: 18-23 said:
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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