What is the Tabernacle of David

[Benoni]

Point being not all who claim to be born again are born again, they are justified by faith. Do you sin?
There is a higher calling, a pressing towards the mark. Yes our sins our covered, the whole world's sin our covered, Jesus only need die once. It is finished. God has not called all people now, when they come they have no freewill to choose.

By the way we can only discuss one thing at a time, just because we have not duscuss something does not mean it is being ignored.

Born again is great catch all term. I wish with all my heart that Christians would stop believing that they are born again the moment they believe. This doctrine, taught almost universally among evangelical people, has been an enormous hindrance in the progress of Christians, for they, thinking they have reached sonship, fail to press toward the mark of full sonship in Him. If men could only see that "that which is born of God cannot sin, for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God," (1 Jno. 3:9) then they would not be in such a hurry to declare that they are born again and thus full sons of God. There is a universe of difference between being justified by faith and being born again. Both the thief on the cross and the Philippian jailor believed on Christ and were justified from their sins, but I think we would be very wrong to imagine that they had done any more than "receive Him" and, because they had received Him, power was given to them to become sons of God.

We are speaking of God's elect not all believers. Hear what? the basic salvation message? There is so much more to hear. Basic salvation is nothing but the 30 fold experence.

I see you like to take certain verses and ignore others....the whole Word of God needs to be taken into consideration...John has already told us this...

God's word is not in you if you say you have no sin. The truth is not in you.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So what does John mean when he says we cannot sin? Not what you're claiming, that's for sure.
[quote="1 John 3:9":bm40epht]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Our sins are covered....sin is not imputed to us. We cannot sin because the blood washes them as white as snow. [quote="Romans 4:7-8":bm40epht]Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

See here...the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us...because Christ abides in the believer.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The incorruptible seed of Christ abides in the born again believer.

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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[Benoni]

Yes God's Word is deep that is why there is milk and meat. If you have not grown spiritual teeth you will choke on the meat. Any one can drink milk.

Yes I understand who the elect are and they are not all belivers. Some 30, 60 100 fold. The elect are the 100 fold.

Oh dear Lord.... :crazy
I have to go to bed, but I can already tell what tripe Im going to have to weed thru tomorrow.

Well, I, for one, am very happy to see you.
It's getting so deep another bucket will come in very handy.

 

[glorydaz]

Yes God's Word is deep that is why there is milk and meat. If you have not grown spiritual teeth you will choke on the meat. Any one can drink milk.

Indeed, anyone can....then again we have those who presume they are the only ones eating meat. Therein comes pride. Once pride enters in, one needs to go back to the milk, themselves, instead of giving into the flesh. :yes

 

[Benoni]

No one is speaking of pride. If you notice we are speaking of God's deepness.

Is God's Word deep or is it shallow?

If it is deep then what makes it deep?

You accuse someone speaking by the flesh, how about some examples instead of you accusations because you religious pride has been bruised.

Yes God's Word is deep that is why there is milk and meat. If you have not grown spiritual teeth you will choke on the meat. Any one can drink milk.

Indeed, anyone can....then again we have those who presume they are the only ones eating meat. Therein comes pride. Once pride enters in, one needs to go back to the milk, themselves, instead of giving into the flesh. :yes

 

[glorydaz]

No one is speaking of pride. If you notice we are speaking of God's deepness.

Is God's Word deep or is it shallow?

If it is deep then what makes it deep?

You accuse someone speaking by the flesh, how about some examples instead of you accusations because you religious pride has been bruised.

LOL...I was speaking of pride. The pride I see in your posts when you act like everyone else needs milk and you're sent to give meat. Oh, and I don't bruise easily since I don't claim to dine well while my brothers and sisters are still nursing at the breast.

Actually God's Word is perfect...neither shallow nor deep. It's truth is made manifest to the simplest believer and hid from the wisdom of men.

 

[Benoni]

Truth is never easy it is harsh and demands overwhelming thought. God’s Word is a progressive Word and whenever you think you have something there is always more. It is a scriptural fact that there is milk and there is meat; there is the letter of the Word and there is the spirit of the Word. There is the deep hidden manna and there is the superficial.

There is plenty of this awesome deep Bible that is hidden from the wisdom of religious men and if I were you I would start doing more digging and less complaining. You had every change in the world to show me where I was wrong, and you came up either frustrated or lacking. This is not a matter of pride; it is a matter of understanding and knowing. You can be satisfied with your creeds and dogmas but God’s Word will never fit in manmade creeds, it is far too awesome. That is why we as believer should be seeking asking and knocking.

No one is speaking of pride. If you notice we are speaking of God's deepness.

Is God's Word deep or is it shallow?

If it is deep then what makes it deep?

You accuse someone speaking by the flesh, how about some examples instead of you accusations because you religious pride has been bruised.

LOL...I was speaking of pride. The pride I see in your posts when you act like everyone else needs milk and you're sent to give meat. Oh, and I don't bruise easily since I don't claim to dine well while my brothers and sisters are still nursing at the breast.

Actually God's Word is perfect...neither shallow nor deep. It's truth is made manifest to the simplest believer and hid from the wisdom of men.

 

[glorydaz]

Truth is never easy it is harsh and demands overwhelming thought. God’s Word is a progressive Word and whenever you think you have something there is always more. It is a scriptural fact that there is milk and there is meat; there is the letter of the Word and there is the spirit of the Word. There is the deep hidden manna and there is the superficial.

There is plenty of this awesome deep Bible that is hidden from the wisdom of religious men and if I were you I would start doing more digging and less complaining. You had every change in the world to show me where I was wrong, and you came up either frustrated or lacking. This is not a matter of pride; it is a matter of understanding and knowing. You can be satisfied with your creeds and dogmas but God’s Word will never fit in manmade creeds, it is far too awesome. That is why we as believer should be seeking asking and knocking.

See...there you go again....you've just supplied me with all the proof I need. :yes

You accuse me of "complaining" and being "either frustrated or lacking".

You're not me, nor do you know me, so I suggest you refrain from assuming anything about me. You suggest I'm "satisfied" with my "creeds and dogmas"....again, you know nothing about me. You seem to assume that same thing about anyone who doesn't see the Word the way you do. If you were really into seeking and knocking, you'd be open to what the brothers and sisters see in the Word instead of dismissing it out of hand the way you do. I'm a born-again believer...one of the elect....led by the Holy Spirit and a child of God. My assurance doesn't come from how you've interpreted the Word...it comes straight from the source.

 

[Benoni]

If you want to share God's Word with me then please let us eat his Word. But these personel attacks are nothing but flesh. So if you have something to say please lets dig in.

Truth is never easy it is harsh and demands overwhelming thought. God’s Word is a progressive Word and whenever you think you have something there is always more. It is a scriptural fact that there is milk and there is meat; there is the letter of the Word and there is the spirit of the Word. There is the deep hidden manna and there is the superficial.

There is plenty of this awesome deep Bible that is hidden from the wisdom of religious men and if I were you I would start doing more digging and less complaining. You had every change in the world to show me where I was wrong, and you came up either frustrated or lacking. This is not a matter of pride; it is a matter of understanding and knowing. You can be satisfied with your creeds and dogmas but God’s Word will never fit in manmade creeds, it is far too awesome. That is why we as believer should be seeking asking and knocking.

See...there you go again....you've just supplied me with all the proof I need. :yes

You accuse me of "complaining" and being "either frustrated or lacking".

You're not me, nor do you know me, so I suggest you refrain from assuming anything about me. You suggest I'm "satisfied" with my "creeds and dogmas"....again, you know nothing about me. You seem to assume that same thing about anyone who doesn't see the Word the way you do. If you were really into seeking and knocking, you'd be open to what the brothers and sisters see in the Word instead of dismissing it out of hand the way you do. I'm a born-again believer...one of the elect....led by the Holy Spirit and a child of God. My assurance doesn't come from how you've interpreted the Word...it comes straight from the source.

 

[glorydaz]

If you want to share God's Word with me then please let us eat his Word. But these personel attacks are nothing but flesh. So if you have something to say please lets dig in.

Truth is never easy it is harsh and demands overwhelming thought. God’s Word is a progressive Word and whenever you think you have something there is always more. It is a scriptural fact that there is milk and there is meat; there is the letter of the Word and there is the spirit of the Word. There is the deep hidden manna and there is the superficial.

There is plenty of this awesome deep Bible that is hidden from the wisdom of religious men and if I were you I would start doing more digging and less complaining. You had every change in the world to show me where I was wrong, and you came up either frustrated or lacking. This is not a matter of pride; it is a matter of understanding and knowing. You can be satisfied with your creeds and dogmas but God’s Word will never fit in manmade creeds, it is far too awesome. That is why we as believer should be seeking asking and knocking.

See...there you go again....you've just supplied me with all the proof I need. :yes

You accuse me of "complaining" and being "either frustrated or lacking".

You're not me, nor do you know me, so I suggest you refrain from assuming anything about me. You suggest I'm "satisfied" with my "creeds and dogmas"....again, you know nothing about me. You seem to assume that same thing about anyone who doesn't see the Word the way you do. If you were really into seeking and knocking, you'd be open to what the brothers and sisters see in the Word instead of dismissing it out of hand the way you do. I'm a born-again believer...one of the elect....led by the Holy Spirit and a child of God. My assurance doesn't come from how you've interpreted the Word...it comes straight from the source.

Then stop with the personal attacks. That's pretty simple.
What? Are you "complaining"..."frustrated"...or just "lacking?"