What is your message of salvation to the lost?

[Johny]

Well Gingercat put me on her ignore list, I'm not surprised. Once again she accused me of harrasing her. :roll: Since when is questionning someone harrassment?

I know you can't see this Gingercat, but I hope you'll see the truth soon. I hope you realise how you're not follwing Christ.

I find it funny how she's allowed to continually put down other members here for going to Church. Well I'm sorry Gingercat, follow you and your Satan driven ways I will not do.

 

[JM]

[quote="Ryan Collins":f89ad]I don't like the idea of calling someone a liar, a thief and then presenting God's love. I'm the type of person that talks to someone in a non-threatening, friendly way. A relationship builder. I talk about love and the love I've experienced. I don't believe in hellfire and brimstone preaching, because that gets you nowhere. I preach love and fellowship and the joys of a relationship, and when they ask how to get that relationship, I open up to Romans 10:9.

That is what I do.

AND how many have you lead to confess Christ? I understand what you're saying, I just disagree. For example take the women at the well and how Jesus used the law to confront her in her sin. If people don't believe their sinners, what in the world would they need saviour for?

On Way of the Master they give an example of a man on an air plan who is given a parachute. The flight attendant hands him the parachute and tells him he needs it. The guy puts it on and soon realizes the parachute is heavy and as he looks around he realizes theirs not many wearing them so he takes it off.

It’s the same with faith in Christ. Some will confess Christ as Lord and Savior without understanding why, they see it as a way to improve themselves, which is not faith at all and instead of having a heart felt need to forgiven sins they do so for different reasons. When the man with the parachute feels the pressure of life, he might buck off the parachute, he doesn't understand why he needs it.

Picture the same guy on the air plan. The flight attendant hands him a parachute and tells him the plan could drop out of the sky at any moment, put this parachute on to save your life. Now the guy wears the parachute and doesn’t feel the burden because he knows why he needs the parachute. The pressures of life don't bother him as much because he knows a risen Savior, he knows he's been forgiven much.

Watch the video on the site, people make decisions in their hearts and you can see it on their faces. God is Great!

There are easier ways than to show that they need Christ without calling them a liar and a thief. I disagree with that. You come to my town and try talking to some of the people I speak to and use your method, and I reckon you'll more than likely get punched in the face. I'm not trying to be mean, while that method works and I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, it's definitely not for everyone. My friends, would definitely get pissed and do two things 1). Turn their backs and go back to living their life. 2). Get pissed and hit you.

Again, I'm not bashing you and your method, but, I'm more into showing God's love through my actions, my lifestyle, and showing them what he did on the cross, without calling them a liar and a thief.[/quote:f89ad]

Yes, I might get punched in the face and Paul was stoned! I'll take the shot in the face any day. This direct method is being used all over the US and Canada, please, watch the video and watch folks change.

JM

 

[AVBunyan]

1. AV, Most chruchgoers are not committed Christians:

2. that is the fruit of Calvinistic teachings.

3. Your fruit proves your are not of God.

1.Hey we agree on something here - I'll go further - I believe most profesing "christains" are lost and going to hell.

2. Below is for all to see - I'm using Ginger's ignorance of church history.
One more time with feeling....

* The greatest and most fruitful evangelists were Calvinist - history proves it.
* The greatest and most fruitful writers were Calvinist - history proves it.
* The greatest and most fruitful missionaries were Calvinist - history proves it.
* The greatest and most fruitful pastors were Calvinist - history proves it.

Now, Miss Ginger - you go ahead and prove me wrong - just rewrite history and show me I'm wrong. You can't - history proves the above list.

3. How do you know my fruit? :o Are you following me a round Miss Fruit Inspecter? :

This beats Happy Days reuns! :

Actually it is very sad :

 

[gingercat]

1. AV, Most chruchgoers are not committed Christians:

2. that is the fruit of Calvinistic teachings.

3. Your fruit proves your are not of God.

1.Hey we agree on something here - I'll go further - I believe most profesing "christains" are lost and going to hell.

2. Below is for all to see - I'm using Ginger's ignorance of church history.
One more time with feeling....

* The greatest and most fruitful evangelists were Calvinist - history proves it.
* The greatest and most fruitful writers were Calvinist - history proves it.
* The greatest and most fruitful missionaries were Calvinist - history proves it.
* The greatest and most fruitful pastors were Calvinist - history proves it.

Now, Miss Ginger - you go ahead and prove me wrong - just rewrite history and show me I'm wrong. You can't - history proves the above list.

3. How do you know my fruit? :o Are you following me a round Miss Fruit Inspecter? :

This beats Happy Days reuns! :

Actually it is very sad :

Your report is your denominations report. Many people believe their denomination is the greatest. It is not accurate.

But you don't have to rely on the report. All you have to do is to take a look around. You have been ignoring Jesus command. He is saying that if you love Him keep His commandments; and you are evangelizing by saying works don't count. You are telling everyone you don't have to listen to Jesus :roll: :roll: :roll:

BTW, I am not miss, ok?

You are the sad dude, you are worshipping your theologean.

 

[Ryan Collins]

[quote="Ryan Collins":bc372]I don't like the idea of calling someone a liar, a thief and then presenting God's love. I'm the type of person that talks to someone in a non-threatening, friendly way. A relationship builder. I talk about love and the love I've experienced. I don't believe in hellfire and brimstone preaching, because that gets you nowhere. I preach love and fellowship and the joys of a relationship, and when they ask how to get that relationship, I open up to Romans 10:9.

That is what I do.

AND how many have you lead to confess Christ? I understand what you're saying, I just disagree. For example take the women at the well and how Jesus used the law to confront her in her sin. If people don't believe their sinners, what in the world would they need saviour for?

On Way of the Master they give an example of a man on an air plan who is given a parachute. The flight attendant hands him the parachute and tells him he needs it. The guy puts it on and soon realizes the parachute is heavy and as he looks around he realizes theirs not many wearing them so he takes it off.

It’s the same with faith in Christ. Some will confess Christ as Lord and Savior without understanding why, they see it as a way to improve themselves, which is not faith at all and instead of having a heart felt need to forgiven sins they do so for different reasons. When the man with the parachute feels the pressure of life, he might buck off the parachute, he doesn't understand why he needs it.

Picture the same guy on the air plan. The flight attendant hands him a parachute and tells him the plan could drop out of the sky at any moment, put this parachute on to save your life. Now the guy wears the parachute and doesn’t feel the burden because he knows why he needs the parachute. The pressures of life don't bother him as much because he knows a risen Savior, he knows he's been forgiven much.

Watch the video on the site, people make decisions in their hearts and you can see it on their faces. God is Great!

There are easier ways than to show that they need Christ without calling them a liar and a thief. I disagree with that. You come to my town and try talking to some of the people I speak to and use your method, and I reckon you'll more than likely get punched in the face. I'm not trying to be mean, while that method works and I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, it's definitely not for everyone. My friends, would definitely get pissed and do two things 1). Turn their backs and go back to living their life. 2). Get pissed and hit you.

Again, I'm not bashing you and your method, but, I'm more into showing God's love through my actions, my lifestyle, and showing them what he did on the cross, without calling them a liar and a thief.

Yes, I might get punched in the face and Paul was stoned! I'll take the shot in the face any day. This direct method is being used all over the US and Canada, please, watch the video and watch folks change.

JM[/quote:bc372]
This method may be used all over the US and Canada, but it doesn't work for everyone. Show them the love of Christ and they'll believe, tell them they are a liar and a thief. I will never use that method because people want to see the love, not hear about the love.

 

[AVBunyan]

1. Your report is your denominations report.

2. You have been ignoring Jesus command. He is saying that if you love Him keep His commandments;

3. and you are evangelizing by saying works don't count.

4. You are telling everyone you don't have to listen to Jesus :roll: :roll: :roll: .

1. Not my denominational report - that is called a historical report - can you dispute it?

2. How do you know I have been ignoring Jesus' commands?

3. Works do not count in justification - but you don't understand that. I understand a true saint should and will have good works.

4. Would you mind quoting me where I say to ignore Jesus' words?

I don't posts these things just for me but for all the forum to see - I think they see where you are coming from.

 

[gingercat]

4. Would you mind quoting me where I say to ignore Jesus' words?

gingercat wrote:

1. I have been witnessing very often and I usually ask questions depend on the person and try to convince them why we need Jesus.

2. ...this is only a start and we should strive to follow and serve Him by reading the New Testament.

3. I never try to convince them to attend church because of so many misleading Christianity in the organized churches.

This is your response:

1. Ok then what is your message - how do you tell someone to be saved? I've yet to see a clear presentation of justificatioin by you and I've gone throuh most of your posts. I may have missed it but I don't think so.

2. Only a start??? - Sounds like works to me.

my response:

Do I have to tell you in details like talking to a 5 year old? you are playing debate game too much AV.

 

[mutzrein]

When you run accross the lost what is your message of salvation? What do you tell them to do or believe? In other words - How do you witness or lead someone to the Lord?

God bless

My message for an individual is to do and say whatever the Spirit leads me to do.

To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. 22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. (1 Corinthians 9).

Amen!!

 

[JM]

Ryan, what do you say to convince them of Gods love?

 

[AVBunyan]

Do I have to tell you in details like talking to a 5 year old? you are playing debate game too much AV.

You never stated how a person gets to heaven. I have never seen you give a clear plan of salvation with scripture - never. :-?

 

[gingercat]

Do I have to tell you in details like talking to a 5 year old? you are playing debate game too much AV.

You never stated how a person gets to heaven. I have never seen you give a clear plan of salvation with scripture - never. :-?

You are still fighting like a 5 year old.

 

[JM]

Why haven't you stated how a person gets to heaven? AV made a valid point. :

 

[gingercat]

AV, and JM, Instead of insulting other evangelists why dont you start preaching to your own denomination? According tp evangelist Ray Comfort only 3% of churchgers evangelize; shame on you! I have been evangelizing since I became Christian 7 years ago. I did not learn about evangelism from churches or any pastors. I learned from the Bible; Jesus, the Real Mastor, not theologeans.

 

[AVBunyan]

1. I have been evangelizing since I became Christian 7 years ago.

2. I did not learn about evangelism from churches or any pastors.

1. How can you evangelize when you haven't shown here you even know how to tell someone how to be saved :-?

2. According to your posts on this forum you don't know how to evangelize. :o

 

[AVBunyan]

My message for an individual is to do and say whatever the Spirit leads me to do. .

Ok then - give us an example of one of your messages that you tell people so they can be saved - jsut looking for one - By the way - tack on some scripture please.

The Spirit will lead you to give the correct gospel for this age - What is it?

God bless

 

[JM]

AV, and JM, Instead of insulting other evangelists why dont you start preaching to your own denomination? According tp evangelist Ray Comfort only 3% of churchgers evangelize; shame on you! I have been evangelizing since I became Christian 7 years ago. I did not learn about evangelism from churches or any pastors. I learned from the Bible; Jesus, the Real Mastor, not theologeans.

Well, consider you know nothing about me or my church, I can let it slide. You like to make things up ginger, I've come to find that out, unless you can provide a source for your quote in the other thread?

Didn't think so.

Your pride is showing, what do you mean you don't need theologians [in most cases Pastors] to teach and lead you? How prideful, arrogant and sinful to think you can hold the proper view on doctrine in every instance!

How's this...my church had 23 people less then 5 years ago. We go door to door and have cover the whole city in which I live, we also go door to door and ask if anyone has anything they need prayer for. Our church has grown in leaps and bounds; we now have around 150 each Sunday morning, 75 on Sunday nights and over 50 on Wednesday for Bible study. We continue to go into the streets and share the Gospel.

We're doing the Lord's will and being blessed along the way.

AV, I think the big problem with this thread is the lack of knowing what the Gospel is. It seems people don't realize or want others to realize their sinners.

Peace.

 

[mutzrein]

What is the point of sowing seed on stoney ground?

 

[JM]

What is the point of sowing seed on stoney ground?

Excellent point. First thing that comes to mind is the command to "go into all nations." No one knows who the elect is, so we share the Gospel for God's glory, we ourselves have been saved and know the love of God and we are commanded to. I think your question maybe deeper then that, I'll need to think about it.

 

[gingercat]

Didn't think so.

Your pride is showing, what do you mean you don't need theologians [in most cases Pastors] to teach and lead you? How prideful, arrogant and sinful to think you can hold the proper view on doctrine in every instance!

How insulting to comment everyone needs someone else's guidance to study the Bible. Look at the thousands of denominations. Why should anyone trust any denomination or theologean? It is just common sense that you want everyone to follow your denomination. You want to control people with your way of interpretation. Give me a break.

We have all kinds of resources to study the Bible. We have millions of sources to learn from if we want to. The churches are just business organizations. If you want to be efficient being His servant you should avoid attending the organized church, imho.

 

[AVBunyan]

First thing that comes to mind is the command to "go into all nations." No one knows who the elect is, so we share the Gospel for God's glory, we ourselves have been saved and know the love of God and we are commanded to.

Amen - smartly put!

Godo bless