what Law did Jesus replace?

[Ret]

Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone...
the body of Jesus Christ replaces the stones that are a'ministration of death...
The sabbath, a shadow...is no longer needed as the real SABBATH - Jesus Christ if our REST!

• Colossians 2:16-17
  16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
  or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
  17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

the stones had the commandments written on them.

Yes, what is 'written and engraven on stones' is symbolic of a 'ministration of death, a needful death, as we need to die to the selfishness that rest within the natural stony heart. God is going to take away the stony heart. (ref: 2 Cor 3:7)

you are saying that the Lord replaced thou shall not steal and thou shall not kill, etc.

God will give us a 'new heart' a heart wherein dwells righteousness. (1 Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, KJV) My hope is in SOMETHING BETTER than laws made for the lawless and disobedient! Though I do confess that I needed the 'written/engraven' stones to convict me of sin, righteousness, and judgment, and they do a good work in fulfilling the purpose for which they were given.

listen to the question again what law did Jesus replace?

How did Jesus replace the sabbath the 7th day of the week?

we still have a 7th day of the week.

Wonderful question...Jesus IS the SABBATH...the gospel SABBATH, that fulfills the law as written on stones and does away with it's earthliness, no more to be remembered. As needful and as good as the stones are as a schoolmaster, when it's purpose is accomplished, they perish and are replaced by the law of HIS LOVE which guides and directs every thought, and every action of one's life..... Praise the Lord!

why do you quote colossians? whose judging?

Colossians tells us not to judge others by what they eat or drink or about SABBATH days. These are all a 'SHADOW of things to come'....Christ is the real thing....the real SABBATH! So, no I DO NOT judge you or others whether you/they keep the sabbath as given by Moses or whether you believe every day is SABBATH...that is between you and GOD. Forgive me if I infer such!

My hope is to witness to what I believe about Jesus Christ our SABBATH REST!

 

[Elijah674]

Ex. 20
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

So in essence you say that all in the 10 verse are resting in Christ?? + are having a heaven on welfare??

--Elijah

 

[Ret]

Ex. 20
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

So in essence you say that all in the 10 verse are resting in Christ?? + are having a heaven on welfare??

--Elijah

• Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
  to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. KJV
  

The elect of God (you and me - hopefully) are going to be kings and priest unto God in the world to come. What do PRIEST do, every day...? Their own work, OR they do the work of God, 24/7. The Bible is written to prepare a priesthood to serve God and the family of God in the next life. I hope to be among them! Though...I wouldn't exactly say a priest in the world to come will be on 'WELFARE'!

On the other hand...I am glad to get the CRUMBS called WELFARE from the masters table!

 

[LostSoul]

Jesus did not replace the law. In replacing it....would He not have been abolishing some? Jesus, Himself, said: I am not here to abolish the law, but fulfill it.

 

[Ret]

Jesus did not replace the law. In replacing it....would He not have been abolishing some? Jesus, Himself, said: I am not here to abolish the law, but fulfill it.

LostLamb...when you have a baby in diapers...do you want it to stay in diapers forever? NO... when the diapers have fulfilled their purpose, the child no longer needs diapers and you dispose of using them.

Same with law, as given to Moses on Mt. Sinai. The purpose of this law, written on stones, is to convict us of our sin and unrighteousness...AFTER the purpose of this LAW is accomplished, it becomes useless (like the old diapers) and is disposed of. Then we are not under law, but, in Jesus Christ we are under GRACE - Grace is eternal!

• John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. KJV
  

 

[ozell]

"Ret"]

[quote:12d3mcrp]Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone...
the body of Jesus Christ replaces the stones that are a'ministration of death...
The sabbath, a shadow...is no longer needed as the real SABBATH - Jesus Christ if our REST!

is Jesus here? he is our rest literally when he returns.

[quote:12d3mcrp]

• Colossians 2:16-17
  16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink,
  or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

[/quote:12d3mcrp]

is Jesus a shadow of things to come?
or
is the holyday, new moon, sabbath day a shadow of things to COME?

the stones had the commandments written on them

Yes, what is 'written and engraven on stones' is symbolic of a 'ministration of death, a needful death, as we need to die to the selfishness that rest within the natural stony heart. God is going to take away the stony heart. (ref: 2 Cor 3:7)

[/quote:12d3mcrp]

is the commandments a ministration of death or breaking the commandments a ministration of death?

 

[ozell]

Jesus did not replace the law. In replacing it....would He not have been abolishing some? Jesus, Himself, said: I am not here to abolish the law, but fulfill it.

:amen

 

[ozell]

when we read Hebrews 10 we find out by Paul what laws was replaced.

1: For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2: For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3: But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4: For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5: Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7: Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8: Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

 

[Ret]

when we read Hebrews 10 we find out by Paul what laws was replaced.

1: For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2: For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3: But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4: For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5: Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7: Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8: Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

.... :amen ... a good start, but don't stop there, next verse in Hebrews 10 says...

• Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God.
  He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. KJV
  

The FIRST Covenant law, given to Moses is taken away
to establish the SECOND...as given in the BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST!

The 'SHADOW' of things to come...was replaced by the VERY IMAGE - JESUS CHRIST!

 

[LostSoul]

If we are to agree that the Old Testament Law is abolished, then what law did Jesus come to fulfill?
What Jesus freed us from was death, for scripture itself states the wages of sin are death. We would be burning in the eternal fires of Hell if it were not for Jesus. So I am sorry but I cannot agree with the argument that any law was replaced in terms of the Old Testament laws given to Moses when Jesus, Himself said He came to fulfill NOT abolish.

 

[Ret]

If we are to agree that the Old Testament Law is abolished, then what law did Jesus come to fulfill?

Jesus came to FULFILL the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the LAW.

• Romanas 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
  who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. KJV

What Jesus freed us from was death, for scripture itself states the wages of sin are death. We would be burning in the eternal fires of Hell if it were not for Jesus. So I am sorry but I cannot agree with the argument that any law was replaced in terms of the Old Testament laws given to Moses when Jesus, Himself said He came to fulfill NOT abolish.

LostLamb...Good, sounds wonderful. Keep studying the WORD,
and that will keep you from many pitfalls!

God Bless...Ret

 

[ozell]

.... :amen ... a good start, but don't stop there, next verse in Hebrews 10 says...

• Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God.
  He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. KJV
  

The FIRST Covenant law, given to Moses is taken away
to establish the SECOND...as given in the BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST!

The 'SHADOW' of things to come...was replaced by the VERY IMAGE - JESUS CHRIST[/b

ok continue reading, all you did is continued what I was going to post

KJV
Heb 10v 9: Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10: By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11: And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


What took way our past sins? Jesus blood?
what did Jesus used to sacrifice?

what was first used before Jesus gave came and died for our past sins?
what was established afterwards?

the answer to the topic is in this chapter even the verses you quote.

 

[ozell]

Ret"]

If we are to agree that the Old Testament Law is abolished, then what law did Jesus come to fulfill?

Jesus came to FULFILL the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the LAW.

• Romanas 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
  who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. KJV

what is the law of righteousness that Jesus fulfilled?
what is walking after the flesh?

="LostLamb"]What Jesus freed us from was death, for scripture itself states the wages of sin are death. We would be burning in the eternal fires of Hell if it were not for Jesus. So I am sorry but I cannot agree with the argument that any law was replaced in terms of the Old Testament laws given to Moses when Jesus, Himself said He came to fulfill NOT abolish.
LostLamb...Good, sounds wonderful. Keep studying the WORD,
and that will keep you from many pitfalls!

excellent obervation.

people are dying even now because of sin, it is obvious death and sin is still on the table.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8: But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9: For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10: And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11: For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12: Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

the commandments are still on the table it points our what sin is.

 

[ozell]

PEOPLE LOVE TO USE THESE VERSE TO ABOLISH THE LAW.
LETS READ

KJV
Galatians 3:17-29
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

A law was in place.
A law was ADDED for tansgression.
until the seed came.


19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


what laws was in place?
what law was added?
what seed came?


21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


there is a law that can give life

Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19:Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[ozell]

what drives man away from Jesus?

Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

we read where sin separates man from God. Man is still sinning.

so what must bring man back to God? Jesus blood which is grace.

what if man continue to sin? is he still under the grace or blood of Jesus?

Jesus fulfilled his part and that not all complete, he has to come a second time correct?

 

[Panin]

Why didn't God send Jesus back in Noah's time rather then kill everyone. or rather why didnt God sent Jesus in the days of Seth?

He sent Noah, who preached repentance to them for 100 years.
Not one repented.

 

[Ret]

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Through Moses Israel was given the 10 commandments written on stone. IN Jesus Christ... all, Jew and Gentile are given TWO COMMANDMENTS.... So, what is the difference between the TEN and the TWO... or, what is the difference between Moses and Jesus...?

• John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses,
  but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. KJV
  
  Matt 22:37-40
  
  37 Jesus said unto him,
  Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
  and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
  38 This is the first and great commandment.
  
  39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
  40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. KJV

Back to answer above question....
The law/commandments given by Moses were/are GOOD....
The law/commandments of Jesus are BETTER!

In believing salvation to be attained by law keeping...like Moses one is a 'servant'
Only when one has 'died' to sin, one becomes adopted into the family and becomes 'sons'!
It is GOOD to be a 'SERVANT' and that is the first step in serving Christ. Though it is BETTER to be adopted into the family and be a 'SON'!

• Hebrews 3:5-6
  
  5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant,
  for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
  
  6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. KJV
  

 

[ozell]

A law was in place.
A law was ADDED for tansgression.
until the seed came.


19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


what laws was in place?
what law was added?
what seed came?


21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


there is a law that can give life

Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19:Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[ozell]

did Jesus replace the dietary laws?

Long after Jesus death and resurrection Peter said

11: And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13: And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14: But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15: And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

when Jesus return look at whom his vengeance is focused on

Isa 66v15: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

 

[Ret]

A law was in place.
A law was ADDED for tansgression.
until the seed came.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

what laws was in place?
The LAW of FAITH
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.KJV

what law was added? ALL the LAWs given to MOSES were ADDED
what seed came? The SEED - Jesus Christ of GOD...
All the LAWS given to MOSES are taken away when the SEED came.


21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


there is a law that can give life Yes...the Law of FAITH. Read Heb 11...By Faith Able... By faith Eoch... By Faith Noah... By faith Abraham, Isaac, Jacob...etc.etc.

Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.The 10 commandments could not give life, only condemnation because of the weakness of the flesh

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19:Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The commandments, of themselves do not bring conviction of sin...because it/they lack FAITH!
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