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what Law did Jesus replace?

Adullam said:
Elijah674 said:
Adullam said:
The freedom in Christ is not automatic. One must go through the cross experience by faith and be brought to nothing. One must be fully surrendered looking only to Him. Then His power kicks in. This is the walk of Christ in us. When someone walks by the Spirit...one walks in full accord with God's law. One walks in total freedom and victory. God's law is for everything OUTSIDE the Spirit. There is no law or condemnation for those who are powered by heaven. So the walk in the Spirit is in accordance with the full requirement of God.

Sounds like a very good explaination to me. As long as we are not programed robots without a choice.
Gen. 4:7

--Elijah


The problem is that we don't necessarily make the wisest choices with the freedom we have. Sometimes I wish I had less choice in the matter. Like when a friend forces you to not take a foolish step. I think we as brethren can do that somewhat for each other. Of course, it takes a trusting relationship and a spiritual maturity! :)

Hi again, you hit the nail squarely on the head with the MATURITY Word! Adam was created 'VERY GOOD' Surely PERFECT, and we do not realize that 'full' Word even. Love, Memory, IQ, height + strength. Yet the next day of his life the 7th day Sabbath, he was still a babe in maturity. In other words.. for the [forum], God did not create satan or Adam fully MATURE! This takes time to mature as with the Rom. 8:1 with NO CONDEMNATION. (still babes of Heb. 5) Of course our first required steps are to get back to where Adam was befor he sined spiritually. John 3:3 And then it has nothing to do much with the body that dies, except the Born Again mind is to control this still carnal body.

Excellent couple posts!
--Elijah
 
I guess many have come to ignore the bible as irrelevent! :verysad

2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

John

People are still sinning and dying

christians die and christians sin

what are we free of?

explain how are we free in Jesus?
 
The problem is that we don't necessarily make the wisest choices with the freedom we have. Sometimes I wish I had less choice in the matter. Like when a friend forces you to not take a foolish step. I think we as brethren can do that somewhat for each other. Of course, it takes a trusting relationship and a spiritual maturity!

what choice do you have

Jesus said

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Peter said

Jn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

what choices when we serve Jesus?

one choice

Mt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

really if you are of God do you have a choice?
 
when Jesus died he washed us with his blood

Rv 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

what law did Jesus replace?

take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

how did Jesus wash us

Rv 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 
Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7: Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8: Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9: Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

what was taken away?
 
The Law of Moses was the Law of sin and death and was replaced with the Law of Faith. The Law of Moses pertained to the outward man; the Law of Faith pertains to the inward man of the heart. Faith is only mentioned in the OT twice, but in the NT over 240times.

So what is the Law of Faith? It is the New Covenant!

The New Covenant went into effect the moment that Christ took his seat at the right hand of the Father. His scepter is the scepter of righteousness and anyone who believes is touched with that scepter. The veil was torn into; the veil represented the flesh. We are born of spirit and have access to the heavenly Holy of Holies.

THE NEW COVENANT:
Hebrews 8:12, "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. NOW that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

In whom the Son has set free is free indeed! :yes
 
"olympia"]The Law of Moses was the Law of sin and death and was replaced with the Law of Faith. The Law of Moses pertained to the outward man; the Law of Faith pertains to the inward man of the heart. Faith is only mentioned in the OT twice, but in the NT over 240times.

the other word for faith is belief or believe

Before Moses Jesus said to Abraham

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Gen 15:v1: After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2: And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3: And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4: And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5: And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6: And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

So what is the Law of Faith? It is the New Covenant!

faith is belief, the New covenant is the blood of Jesus

The New Covenant went into effect the moment that Christ took his seat at the right hand of the Father. His scepter is the scepter of righteousness and anyone who believes is touched with that scepter. The veil was torn into; the veil represented the flesh. We are born of spirit and have access to the heavenly Holy of Holies.

the new covenant is the blood of Jesus instead of the blood of animals.

what new about faith or belief?
 
The Gospel is ETERNAL in planing & foreknowledge. Rev. 14:6

The Covenant Law of the Universe is also ETERNAL. Heb. 13:20.

If one does not BELIEVE the Word of God, how can they go on???

The plan called for Christ to die for the sins of the ones who had not committed the sin against the Holy Ghost. (even for these up until that period) That is, was & forever will be the 'consummation of the plan! It did not do away with the Everlasting Gospel or the Everlasting Covenant. That was why Christ had to die. If it could have done away with any part of it, Christ died in vain. For the Godhead would have just voided it out, which is not possible! Yet, this was not only what Christ came to earth to do!

About the two laws?? Moses laws all gave a blueprint of God's Way, from start to finish. Psalms 77:13. These laws of Moses are what was done away with at Christ's death. The CRY of Christ that it was finished, meant that He in person had consummated the Plan of redemption.

That the PLAN could never be broken! But the plan itself is not over!! For Christ is now, at present, doing what??? And where is He doing this work at?? And what is in the heavenly Temple and heavenly Ark??? See Rev. 19! But notice the time of verse 18 just prior to the verse!!

But take note that the Eccl. verses tell us that even His death will again be 'repeated history' as seen in Hebrews 6:6. A spiritual re/crucifixion, yet in reality, all who sin on purpose & OPENLY, (7th day Sabbath included) 'after a period of time', were & are the cause which they realize, killed Christ at the cross!

(a period of time? see 1 Jn. 5:16-17 & James 1:15 & see Lev. 15:14, and Matt. 25:10, like the first shut door of the Noah's Ark for mankind, and Gen. 6:3's STRIVING of the Holy Spirit, & Matt. 12:31-32)[/b]
 
Not only Moses Law was Ended, (Finished) but Christ also Finished satan in all reality as well. And call it a Law if one can understand the 'Inspirition'?? :crying Christ did INDEED come to MAGNIFY His James 2:8-12 Eternal ROYAL LAW! Isa. 42:21

IT IS FINISHED has NO hint to the New Covenant being done away with! Heb. 13:20 law! Except as seen in Dan. 7:25 by satan!

A Rebellion in heaven. Lucifer & 1/3 of these ones were cast out to earth. But earth was not created yet! So they were in a true "bottomless pit" See Rev. 20:1-3 for the return picture of Gen. 1:1-4. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without [form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep]." (bottomless pit!)

Then we see the creation of mankind with [conditional perfect] perfection. Perfect, yet not with a perfected mature character!
God gave to man the earth to care for! There was only one place that Adam & Eve were commanded to stay away from. After Mankind were created on the sixth day, God no doubt gave them (he & Eve, his wife) their first 7th. Day Sabbath sermon, that surely included severe danger of warning, to stay away from the forbidden tree in the 'midst of the garden of EDEN'. (that of death!)

We know the rest of what happened? But what most might miss, is that at that time another STARTING point took place! From a START TO A FINISH! Again, it is Finished! This is where the 'arm of flesh' (man's foolishness) goes astray!!!

Adam lost his 'conditional' control of earth. And 's'atan & his evil angels won conditional control of such. (do not miss the word of conditional control! for both of Adam & satan! Yet, take note that Lucifer, satan, serpent, and the devil are all the same being, from heaven on! See Eze. 28 - Rev. 12)

Now notice: That in Matt. 4:8-9 we see no argument from Christ of His understanding that satan was now the ruler over 'earth', Adams past responsibility! (remember that those verses are from the Word of God!)
"Again, the devil taketh Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto Him, All these things will I give thee, If thou wilt fall down and worship me."

Even from Adams fall to this time, we see in the Old Testament that God worked without the Holy Spirit being omnipresent present .(everywhere present) The Godhead had his own, going out to find the sincere! But they worked in satan's battleground of his temporary controlled world, and by being restrained of the Holy Spirits being everywhere present. The sincere were to be drawn to Christ from His place being with/in the Obedient. The Sanctuary came on the scene in time. Stephen states that this 'is He that was in the Sanctuary' See Acts 7:38.
You can be sure that the Holy Spirit would later on, at satans defeat, present Christ everywhere at once! And also, you can be sure that where Christ was at in the Old Testament, there were all the miracle's seen that were done in the New Testament.!!

One more thought. We see that until it was finished for satan, God was held too a Theocracy by His own plan, and after that it was 'finished', he gave others His power's through Caesar! (conditional of course! Freedom of religion! Rom. 13's second commandment) But Christ & His Virgin true 'fold' were to be 'conditionally responsible for all of the covenant of the Godhead! See Isa. 5:1-7.

Up until this time, and the crucifixion of Christ, satan was still (conditionally) in control of 'all the kingdoms of the world'. Christ would win back Adams domain that he lost through sin. And then satan & his angels would be in time, be destroyed! It is in this setting that the Words of Christ.. 'IT IS FINISHED' was spoken! At Christ's death, the 'Vail of the earthly temple' was 'rent from top to bottom', making the way into the Most Holy Place in heaven itself. Ratifying the Heb. 13:20 [Everlasting Covenant by Christ's Blood]! It was then consummated..FINISHED! Satan was defeated and his fate was accomplished!

But, ignorant man, and the Everlasting Gospel differ here! The Word FINISH does not mean that the Everlasting Gospel JUDGEMENT is finished. There is still to be the Executive stage as seen in Eccl. 12:13-14, *Dan. 7:9-10's BOOKS! and Rev. 20:12's D-E-A-D judged 'by Books', (the only way that dead could stand!) and Rev.'s last few verses! Christ is still doing His High Priestly work for us and the ones still to come! This work of our [Master is not finished].. "For Christ is not entered into the Holy Place made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:.." Heb. 9:24.
 
ozell,

quote: ozell
faith is belief, the New covenant is the blood of Jesus

I understand that faith is belief, but it is my understanding that the 'blood' represents the purging of sin from which the New Covenant is based on.

Hebrews 9:22, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17) And their sins and iniquities will I rememer no more."

Because God does not see sin I do not count myself a sinner. I recognize that Christ fully, by the shedding of his blood, purged the world of sin. God has called those things that be not as though they are. That is my faith or belief and has made me capable of standing before God unashamed.

Are we saying the same thing?
 
olympia said:
ozell,

quote: ozell
faith is belief, the New covenant is the blood of Jesus

I understand that faith is belief, but it is my understanding that the 'blood' represents the purging of sin from which the New Covenant is based on.

Hebrews 9:22, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17) And their sins and iniquities will I rememer no more."

Because God does not see sin I do not count myself a sinner. I recognize that Christ fully, by the shedding of his blood, purged the world of sin. God has called those things that be not as though they are. That is my faith or belief and has made me capable of standing before God unashamed.

Are we saying the same thing?

It's not olympia, but carry it further. Now lets say that you are a partaker of a 'fold'.. from lets say, one of the Rev. 17:5 ones? OK now. Would you see youself a sinner?

--Elijah

PS:
[13] 'These all died in faith, not having received the promises, ..' Heb. 11:13 OK: Does not Saving Faith [REQUIRE] that to be real faith, one is REQUIRED to be [[IN CHRIST]]. Rom. 8:1 + verse 14
 
quote:Elijah
It's not olympia, but carry it further. Now lets say that you are a partaker of a 'fold'.. from lets say, one of the Rev. 17:5 ones? OK now. Would you see youself a sinner?

--Elijah

PS:
[13] 'These all died in faith, not having received the promises, ..' Heb. 11:13 OK: Does not Saving Faith [REQUIRE] that to be real faith, one is REQUIRED to be [[IN CHRIST]]. Rom. 8:1 + verse 14

If I were of the 'fold' of Babylon that would be the only way that I would see myself as a sinner, but I am not of the fold of Babylon, but of the household of God.


The OT saints died not having received the promises of God, but we by faith have.

Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Have you misunderstood what I have said?

I am in the body of Christ and there is no sin in the body.
 
olympia said:
quote:Elijah
It's not olympia, but carry it further. Now lets say that you are a partaker of a 'fold'.. from lets say, one of the Rev. 17:5 ones? OK now. Would you see youself a sinner?

--Elijah

PS:
[13] 'These all died in faith, not having received the promises, ..' Heb. 11:13 OK: Does not Saving Faith [REQUIRE] that to be real faith, one is REQUIRED to be [[IN CHRIST]]. Rom. 8:1 + verse 14

If I were of the 'fold' of Babylon that would be the only way that I would see myself as a sinner, but I am not of the fold of Babylon, but of the household of God.


The OT saints died not having received the promises of God, but we by faith have.

Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Have you misunderstood what I have said?

I am in the body of Christ and there is no sin in the body.

I do not think that I have mis/under stood? (not sure?)

But I think that ozell thinks along that line of truth also. And I was asking for his take on my question, as well as others.

But as I see it, there are but few today that are living as they are 'LED' of God. (Rom. 8:14) When we need straightening out, we will be led to the Word for that purpose. Yet, MOST will not be Led. Gen. 6:3's repeat.
--Elijah
 
olympia said:
ozell,

quote: ozell
faith is belief, the New covenant is the blood of Jesus

I understand that faith is belief, but it is my understanding that the 'blood' represents the purging of sin from which the New Covenant is based on.

Hebrews 9:22, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17) And their sins and iniquities will I rememer no more."

Because God does not see sin I do not count myself a sinner. I recognize that Christ fully, by the shedding of his blood, purged the world of sin. God has called those things that be not as though they are. That is my faith or belief and has made me capable of standing before God unashamed.

Are we saying the same thing?

we are on the same page but are we undertanding the words

tell me what you think of this verse

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Jesus blood remitted the sins that are past.

what about this again from Paul?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

lets start with these 2 verse before we move on.

apply it to your statement above
 
I am in the body of Christ and there is no sin in the body.

when are you in the body of christ?

Paul said

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

have you put on your spiritual body?

or are you talking about our spirtual walk in this natural body.

Rv 20v 12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13: And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
Gal 3v 17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

we read 2 laws in this verse.

1 is a covenant which is confirmed
1 is a law 430 after

Gal 3v 18: For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

in verse 19 Paul again speaks of 2 laws

1 = wherefore then serveth the law
1= it was added because of transgression

we have 1 law already in place
we have 1 law added because of breaking the law.

which one did Jesus replace?
 
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