What Will the Millennium Be Like?/

[Kathi]

Those who are preterist will never see what the end time interpretation is that the book of Revelation and some of the other books including Matthew say.Preterist have an interpretation of their own when it comes to the end times.

 

[reba]

This is not the preterist thread.. Staff

 

[jasonc]

Those who are preterist will never see what the end time interpretation is that the book of Revelation and some of the other books including Matthew say.Preterist have an interpretation of their own when it comes to the end times.

will never see? I was a pre tribber for years. I do try to read what is in the bible for what it says when I can. that is why I seldom post things from commentaries. though I do share my thoughts on that stuff are often from a commentary. being honest as we all do that.

 

[reba]

 

[Malachi]

"to bring in the millennium. It will take the Lord Himself coming in power and great glory (Luke 21:27) to establish His throne, comfort His people (Isaiah 51:3), and usher in worldwide peace (Micah 4:3)." from gotquestions.org

Someone, I think maybe Malachi, said that His Kingdom has not yet been established and that it could not happen until all His enemies have been put under His feet.
But this statement says that His Kingdom is established during the millennium. But how can that be because His enemy satan will still be loosed, not all people in the millennium are believers and are therefore, still His enemies?
These two statements do not agree.

I'm note sure exactly what you are referring to Deborah but just to recap:
1. Christ said while He was on earth that "the Kingdom of God is within you", which means Christ is enthroned within every believer's heart. The Lord told Pilate at that time that His Kingdom was "not of this world". Therefore it was a spiritual Kingdom only.
2. This spiritual Kingdom was established when the wise men came to worship Him as King of the Jews.
3. This spiritual Kingdom continues during the Church Age.
4. Christ is presently on His throne at the right hand of the Father during the Church Age waiting to make all His enemies His "footstool" -- crush them under His feet. Satan and his evil spirits are on the loose, but still under God's control.
5. Christ's enemies will be destroyed during the Great Tribulation (the Day of the Lord). All the wicked and the evil doers will be crushed.
6. After this Christ will literally establish His physical and spiritual Kingdom over the whole earth, as well as over the kingdom of Israel under David. This will be for a period of 1,000 years.
7. Satan and all his evil spirits will be bound in the bottomless pit during this time.
8. Satan will then be loosed and he will deceive the nations for the battle of Gog and Magog. From this it appears that while there was no overt sin and evil during the Millenium (with Christ as King over the earth), there will be rebellious hearts among the nations who will be deceived by Satan and go to war against the King of kings. All these will be destroyed by fire from Heaven. They could be the children and grandchildren of the generation that was first redeemed. We are not told.
9. Finally Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet will be cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. All the evil spirits will be there with them. Sin and evil will finally be eradicated from the earth. This is in preparation for the new heavens and the new earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness".

So at present there is a spiritual Kingdom of God. During the Millenium and beyond it will be both physical and spiritual.

 

[Deborah13]

I'm note sure exactly what you are referring to Deborah but just to recap:
1. Christ said while He was on earth that "the Kingdom of God is within you", which means Christ is enthroned within every believer's heart. The Lord told Pilate at that time that His Kingdom was "not of this world". Therefore it was a spiritual Kingdom only.
2. This spiritual Kingdom was established when the wise men came to worship Him as King of the Jews.
3. This spiritual Kingdom continues during the Church Age.
4. Christ is presently on His throne at the right hand of the Father during the Church Age waiting to make all His enemies His "footstool" -- crush them under His feet. Satan and his evil spirits are on the loose, but still under God's control.
5. Christ's enemies will be destroyed during the Great Tribulation (the Day of the Lord). All the wicked and the evil doers will be crushed.
6. After this Christ will literally establish His physical and spiritual Kingdom over the whole earth, as well as over the kingdom of Israel under David. This will be for a period of 1,000 years.
7. Satan and all his evil spirits will be bound in the bottomless pit during this time.
8. Satan will then be loosed and he will deceive the nations for the battle of Gog and Magog. From this it appears that while there was no overt sin and evil during the Millenium (with Christ as King over the earth), there will be rebellious hearts among the nations who will be deceived by Satan and go to war against the King of kings. All these will be destroyed by fire from Heaven. They could be the children and grandchildren of the generation that was first redeemed. We are not told.
9. Finally Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet will be cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. All the evil spirits will be there with them. Sin and evil will finally be eradicated from the earth. This is in preparation for the new heavens and the new earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness".

So at present there is a spiritual Kingdom of God. During the Millenium and beyond it will be both physical and spiritual.

"4. Christ is presently on His throne at the right hand of the Father during the Church Age waiting to make all His enemies His "footstool" -- crush them under His feet. Satan and his evil spirits are on the loose, but still under God's control.
5. Christ's enemies will be destroyed during the Great Tribulation (the Day of the Lord). All the wicked and the evil doers will be crushed.
6. After this Christ will literally establish His physical and spiritual Kingdom over the whole earth, as well as over the kingdom of Israel under David. This will be for a period of 1,000 years.
8. Satan will then be loosed and he will deceive the nations for the battle of Gog and Magog. From this it appears that while there was no overt sin and evil during the Millenium (with Christ as King over the earth), there will be rebellious hearts among the nations who will be deceived by Satan and go to war against the King of kings. All these will be destroyed by fire from Heaven. They could be the children and grandchildren of the generation that was first redeemed. We are not told.

You don't see a contradiction in these statements? OK

 

[reba]

What has Christ been doing for 2000+ years?

 

[Malachi]

You don't see a contradiction in these statements?

What contradiction? There would be absolutely no sin, evil or crime on this earth if Christ were presently ruling every nation and every individual. But God has a plan which allows Satan to operate until God is finished with sin and evil on this earth. So today we see born again Christians on earth (the Church) as well as the most atrocious crimes.

We are not told in Scripture as to how and why there will be rebellion after the Millenium. Therefore we should remain silent on the matter.
We do know from Scripture that there will be absolute peace and righteousness on the earth during that period. There will be natural procreation also, and the succeeding generations may produce crypto-rebels. We are not told. Speculation is neither wise nor fruitful.

 

[Malachi]

What has Christ been doing for 2000+ years?

Calling out a people for Himself -- the Church. They are a minority among the billions of unbelievers on earth. At the same time, you just have to look around you and follow world events. Satan and his evil spirits are on the loose. So why this question?

God has a plan, and in fact Satan will take full control of all the nations for 3 1/2 years in the future. There is nothing inconsistent here. In the end though, sin and evil will be eradicated completely. That is hardly the case right now.

 

[Kathi]

Well said Malachi.

 

[reba]

Isn't building His church, His body, putting His enemies underfoot?

Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

[eddif]

How about:
Revelation 3:20
Romans 7:25

I like swinging from chandeliers right now. No wonder the problems that keep me from being too elated.

I vote for right now.

eddif

 

[Deborah13]

What contradiction? There would be absolutely no sin, evil or crime on this earth if Christ were presently ruling every nation and every individual. But God has a plan which allows Satan to operate until God is finished with sin and evil on this earth. So today we see born again Christians on earth (the Church) as well as the most atrocious crimes.

We are not told in Scripture as to how and why there will be rebellion after the Millenium. Therefore we should remain silent on the matter.
We do know from Scripture that there will be absolute peace and righteousness on the earth during that period. There will be natural procreation also, and the succeeding generations may produce crypto-rebels. We are not told. Speculation is neither wise nor fruitful.

Are unbelievers and satan His enemies? How are they under His feet anymore then than now?
I agree His kingdom has come, spiritually and is physically manifested by Him in us.

You say that the physical kingdom will not come until He has put everything under His feet.
But then you say that the physical kingdom does come before all enemies are put under His feet.
These scriptures say that last enemy is death.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Deborah13]

Isn't building His church, His body, putting His enemies underfoot?

Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

How is it, I have to take a zillion words to say what you say in 20!! Sometimes it makes me feel like just sitting back and waiting for you, so much easier and less stress.

 

[reba]

LOL Deb i always feel so inept ... Thank you so very much... means a lot..

I wait to read what you post it seems to complete..

 

[eddif]

I Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

My world used to be sun moon stars, but suddenly every thing started to burn as the New Jerusalem began to descend.

eddif

 

[Malachi]

Isn't building His church, His body, putting His enemies underfoot?
Mat_28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Building His Church is the ministry of reconciliation (2 Cor:18-21) given to the Church (Mk 16:15,16) where through the Gospel Christ is inviting His enemies -- all sinners -- to be reconciled to God and be saved. Thus Paul says we are ambassadors for Christ right now.

When Christ puts His enemies under His feet, it will be at His second coming, and extremely devastating (Rev 19:11-21). No mercy. Simply severe judgment until all His enemies are crushed.

 

[Malachi]

Are unbelievers and satan His enemies? How are they under His feet anymore then than now?
I agree His kingdom has come, spiritually and is physically manifested by Him in us.
You say that the physical kingdom will not come until He has put everything under His feet.
But then you say that the physical kingdom does come before all enemies are put under His feet.
These scriptures say that last enemy is death.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Your first question is explained in post #37.
This passage in 1 Cor 15:23-28 is an extremely brief summary of the ultimate plan of God.
v. 23 -- the Rapture -- they that are Christès (unable to insert apostrophe) at His coming.
v. 24 -- jumps all the way past the new heavens and the new earth (the Millenial Kingdom, the battle of God and Magog, the Great White Throne judgment, the new heavens and the new earth) and reveals the final status of the Kingdom of God.
v 25 -- speaks of the Millenial Kingdom (He must reign), but after that there will also be a multitude of enemies (Rev 20:7-10) which must also be crushed before the final status of the Kingdom is established.
v. 26 -- speaks of death and Hades being cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14) and after the new heavens and the new earth, there will be no more death (Rev 21:4) because sin and evil have been eradicated from this planet.
v 27 -- it should be obvious to all that God the Father is excluded (excepted) from Christès (typo) absolute rule and dominion over the universe.
v 28 -- after God the Son gains absolute supremacy over the universe, He then hands everything over to God the Father (since the Father is the Head of Christ -- authority over Christ -- 1 Cor 11:3), so that God may be all in all. This describes the universe for all eternity where God is always supreme in every creature and every circumstance. A perfect, sinless universe which is as holy and righteous as God.

This passage is not applicable directly to the Millenium but gives a grand overview of Godès (typo) plan for the universe.

 

[Malachi]

Seems to me He was born King.. The scriptures literally tell us what His Kingdom is... Real clear real plain... Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.... Why can not be happy with that

1. Christ was born King of the Jews.
2. Israel rejected their King-Messiah and crucified Him.
3. Christ is King (Lord) over every true believer today.
4. Therefore -- the Kingdom of God is within you.
5. Therefore the Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, joy (the fruits of the Holy Spirit in the believer)
6. Christ said my Kingdom is NOT of this world (first coming)
7. Christ is now on His throne WAITING (at the behest of the Father) until He has put all enemies under His feet.
8. Christ will establish a real, physical, geographical Kingdom over every nation on earth, including Israel (second coming and beyond), after He has put all His enemies under His feet.

This is Godès (typo) plan -- not manès (typo).

 

[Malachi]

How about:
Revelation 3:20
Romans 7:25

Rev 3:20 is an invitation to every sinner to receive Christ and have fellowship with Him and Rom 7:25 speaks of the conflict between the flesh and the spirit within the believer. Neither of these Scripture have any relevance to the Millenium.