Whats your opinion on claims such as this one?

[essentials]

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html true or not, its amazing how much there is in common...

 

[Pard]

It's pretty easy to make this claim if one doesn't show someone the actual, original text... I'd like to see that first

 

[seekandlisten]

It's pretty easy to make this claim if one doesn't show someone the actual, original text... I'd like to see that first

The Eqyptian Book of the Dead contains the story if one is interested. There is a link to it on that page. There are also many resources on reincarnation beliefs among the early Christians before the belief in reincarnation was outlawed in the 5th century and made punishable by death. There is a wealth of knowledge out there for those that wish to learn.

There are many similarities between 'god' stories and 'gods' appearing to men. Apollonius of Tyana supposedly appeared to his followers after death and Octavian ascended to heaven among the many other stories. How many gods were born of virgins and died and rose again? What one decides to 'believe' becomes the main factor here.

cheers

 

[JudaicChristian]

Gnostic's are known for twisting the truth. Sure there are similarities, that is because Abraham used astrological signs speaking of the future. That is why astrology is called Abraham's sin. Joseph in Egypt also used those stories. Abraham and Joseph did not believe in astrology but used the stars to tell a story.

 

[Kevin Lowery]

Go do some research in world religion & ancient gods, & than you will see how articles like these are so ridiculous, there are no legitimate evidence for these claims, nor is there any historical scholar who would agree with this. even scholars who are atheist or are of a non-christian faiths laugh at the ridiculous falsehoods made in articles such as this & in the Zeitgiest film. you should have stopped taking these claims seriously once it said that Jesus Christ was born on December 25, there is nowhere in the Bible or any ancient manuscript that says that Christ was born on December 25. My advice to you is to go to your local library, pick up some books about world relegions & ancient gods, maybe pick up a encyclopedia. check the facts & sorces before believing somthing you saw on the internet, always do your own research, & always see what professional such as scholars, & historians have to say.

 

[seekandlisten]

Go do some research in world religion & ancient gods, & than you will see how articles like these are so ridiculous, there are no legitimate evidence for these claims, nor is there any historical scholar who would agree with this. even scholars who are atheist or are of a non-christian faiths laugh at the ridiculous falsehoods made in articles such as this & in the Zeitgiest film. you should have stopped taking these claims seriously once it said that Jesus Christ was born on December 25, there is nowhere in the Bible or any ancient manuscript that says that Christ was born on December 25. My advice to you is to go to your local library, pick up some books about world relegions & ancient gods, maybe pick up a encyclopedia. check the facts & sorces before believing somthing you saw on the internet, always do your own research, & always see what professional such as scholars, & historians have to say.

Care to post some info as to what claims in the similarities are false?

There are many ancient texts containing stories of gods and divine being and tales to go with them and a lot of the points such as resurrections, miracles, etc. show up in all stories. Reincarnation is a well documented belief back in the day and their are many sources on the subject, even some Christians believed reincarnation in the first few centuries until it was outlawed. So why the quickness to write it off as a 'conspiracy theory'?

cheers

 

[Danus]

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html true or not, its amazing how much there is in common...

There are so many inconstancy's and falsehoods in that comparison I don't even know where to start. Jesus and the Egyptian god Horus are nothing alike and the comparisons made to each on that link are just plain ....ignorant and laughable.

Essentials.... there are a lot of half-truths and just plain not-truths in that information. It's not solid ground, but I have to ask....why, how ...what's the purpose of the link and your interest to it? Are you searching for truth, or attempting to prove something? What.

I ask this because you've been on this forum for some time claiming Jesus Christ, but then you post things that suggest to me that you are not solid in your beliefs. Not even as a new Christian. What's up? I know you have this interest in the occult, magic and "alternative"-dark, tattoo type counter-cultural thing but I think your going to find it difficult to walk with God and embrace some of the thoughts you express.

 

[essentials]

Go do some research in world religion & ancient gods, & than you will see how articles like these are so ridiculous, there are no legitimate evidence for these claims, nor is there any historical scholar who would agree with this. even scholars who are atheist or are of a non-christian faiths laugh at the ridiculous falsehoods made in articles such as this & in the Zeitgiest film. you should have stopped taking these claims seriously once it said that Jesus Christ was born on December 25, there is nowhere in the Bible or any ancient manuscript that says that Christ was born on December 25. My advice to you is to go to your local library, pick up some books about world relegions & ancient gods, maybe pick up a encyclopedia. check the facts & sorces before believing somthing you saw on the internet, always do your own research, & always see what professional such as scholars, & historians have to say.

I never said I take it seriously or believe it, I just said it's interesting how many supposed similarities there are.

 

[Danus]

I never said I take it seriously or believe it, I just said it's interesting how many supposed similarities there are.

....But you have to study it more carefully so that you will not take it seriously. This link and article might help. Check it out. You might find the link easier to read than what I've pasted of it.

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_ ... ities.html
According to Egyptian mythology, Horus was originally believed to be the son of Ra and Hathor and the
husband/brother of Isis. Later he was seen as the son of Osiris and Isis once Hathor and Isis were merged into
one being. Horus was considered the sky, sun, and moon god represented by a man with the head of falcon.

VIRGIN BIRTH There are two separate birth accounts in regards to Horus (neither depict a virgin birth):
Version 1: Hathor, the motherly personification of the milky way, is said to have conceived Horus but we are
told her husband, Ra, was an Egyptian sun god. Hathor (a sky goddess) was represented by the cow whose milk
brought forth the milky way. By the will of her husband Ra, she gave birth to Horus:

"I, Hathor of Thebes, mistress of the goddesses, to grant to him a coming forth into the presence [of the god]...
Hathor of Thebes, who was incarnate in the form of a cow and a woman." Source and Source

Version 2: When we examine Isis as Horus' mother, we are told Isis was not a virgin, but the widow of Osiris.
Isis practices magic to raise Osiris from the dead so she can bear a son that would avenge his death. Isis then
becomes pregnant from the sperm of her deceased husband. Again, no virgin birth occurs:

"[Isis] made to rise up the helpless members [penis] of him whose heart was at rest, she drew from him his
essence [sperm], and she made therefrom an heir [Horus]." Source and Source

THE FATHER AND SON UNITY Critics suggest the Christian trinity was adapted from the notion of Osiris, Ra,
and Horus being one god in essence. Because Horus was born after the death of Osiris, it came to be believed he
was the resurrection, or reincarnation, of Osiris:

"He avengeth thee in his name of 'Horus, the son who avenged his father." Source

Throughout the centuries, the Egyptians eventually considered Osiris and Horus as one and the same. However,
this son-as-the-father comparison more closely resembles the metamorphosis of Hathor into Isis than it does the
Christian trinity. We see Horus first as the son of Ra, then being the equivalent of Ra, then Ra finally becoming
just as aspect of Horus. Similar to Hathor and Isis, we simply see a merger of one being into another. In
Egyptian mythology, each god had a distinct beginning by being conceived from other gods. In Christian
theology, God and Jesus always existed as one and the same, neither having a beginning or an end. Jesus' birth
did not represent His creation- only His advent in human from. Furthermore, the father-son concept was not
created by first-century Christians. Prophecies in the Old Testament referred to the future Messiah as the Son of
God up to 1,000 years before the birth of Christ. I Chronicles 17:13-14

CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION Horus is never said to have been crucified, nevertheless to have died.
The only connection we can make to Horus being resurrected is if we consider the eventual merger of Horus and
Osiris. But such a theory results in an catch 22, apparently noticed by the Egyptians as they later altered their
beliefs to fix the contradictions. In the Egyptian tale, Osiris is either dismembered by Set in battle or sealed in a
chest and drowned in the Nile. Isis then pieces Osiris' body back together and resurrects Osiris to conceive an
heir that will avenge Osiris' death (although technically Osiris is never actually resurrected as he is forbidden to
return to the world of the living). Source and Source

"[Set] brought a shapely and decorated chest, which he had caused to be made according to the measurements
of the king's body... Set proclaimed that he would gift the chest unto him whose body fitted its proportions with
exactness... Then Osiris came forward. He lay down within the chest, and he filled it in every part. But dearly was
his triumph won in that dark hour which was his doom. Ere he could raise his body, the evil followers of Set
sprang suddenly forward and shut down the lid, which they nailed fast and soldered with lead. So the richly
decorated chest became the coffin of the good king Osiris, from whom departed the breath of life." Source

BORN ON THE 25TH OF DECEMBER Horus' birth was actually celebrated during the month of Khoiak,
(October/November). Though some critics claim Horus was born during the winter solstice, this shows more of a
relationship to other pagan religions which considered the solstices sacred.

TWELVE DISCIPLES Superficially this similarity seems accurate until we see Horus' "disciples" were not disciples
at all- they were the twelve signs of the zodiac which became associated with Horus, a sky god. However
Jesus' disciples were actual men who lived and died, whose writings exist to this day, and whose lives are
recorded by historians. Because Horus' "disciples" were merely signs of the zodiac, they never taught his
philosophy or spread his teachings. The fact that there are twelve signs of the zodiac (twelve months) as
compared to Jesus' twelve apostles is an insignificant coincidence.

MOUNTAINTOP ENCOUNTER Critics point out the similarity of both Jesus and Horus having an encounter on a
mountaintop with their enemies. Instead of dissecting this piece by piece, I will simply give each version of
events and let the reader observe the (obvious) differences:
Jesus: After Jesus completes His fast in the wilderness, Satan tries to tempt Jesus by offering Him all the
kingdoms of the world if Jesus agrees to worship him, but Jesus refuses. Matthew 4:1-11
Horus: During battle, Horus rips off one of Set's testicles while Set (sometimes called Seth) gorges out Horus'
eye. Set later tries to prove his dominance by initiating intercourse with Horus. Horus catches Set's semen in his
hand and throws it into a nearby river. Horus later masturbates and spreads his semen over lettuce which Set
consumes. Both Set and Horus stand before the gods to proclaim their right to rule Egypt. When Set claims
dominance over Horus, his semen is found in the river. When Horus' dominance is considered, his semen is found
within Set so Horus is granted rule over Egypt:

"O that castrated one! O this man! O he who hurries him who hurries, among you two! These- this first
corporation of the company of the justified... Was born before the eye of Horus was plucked out, before the
testicles of Set were torn away." Source "It is the day on which Horus fought with Set, who cast filth in the face of
Horus, and when Horus destroyed the powers of Set." Source "Then [Set] appeared before the divine council and
claimed the throne. But the gods gave judgment that Horus was the rightful king, and he established his power in
the land of Egypt, and became a wise and strong ruler like to his father Osiris." Source

Skeptic Interjection: Does the similarity between the names Set and Satan hold any significance?
Answer: Set's variant names include Seth, Sutekh, Setesh, and Seteh. The root Set is usually considered to
translate into dazzler or stable pillar. The different suffixes of his name add the meanings majestic, supreme, and
desert. The name Satan comes from the Semitic root Stn which represents opposition. Before his fall, Satan's
original name was Lucifer, or angel of light. The term Satan represents a general adversary, hence his accepted
identity. Though both names consist of an S and a T, their meanings have nothing in common. The spellings are
only a result of the original root words which represent their character. Source and Source

SIMILAR TITLES Critics allege Horus held similar titles used to identify Jesus such as Messiah, Savior, Son of
Man, Good Shepherd, Lamb of God, The Way, the Truth, the Light, and Living Word. However I can find no
evidence of any of these names ever being used in reference to Horus. I am especially suspicious of the word
Messiah since it is Hebrew in origin.

IN CONCLUSION We can see the differences between Jesus and Horus far outweigh any superficial correlations.

 

[Danus]

Care to post some info as to what claims in the similarities are false?

There are many ancient texts containing stories of gods and divine being and tales to go with them and a lot of the points such as resurrections, miracles, etc. show up in all stories. Reincarnation is a well documented belief back in the day and their are many sources on the subject, even some Christians believed reincarnation in the first few centuries until it was outlawed. So why the quickness to write it off as a 'conspiracy theory'?

cheers

I just did. There are a bunch of others however, it requires and understanding to discern the truth. Most scholars would not wast time chasing these comparisons since they don't even add up at a glance, but apparently this type of trash is starting to get around to those who really know little to nothing of Christ in the first place, and such a mind is easy prey.

If this is where nonbelievers want to argue Christianity..... OK.

 

[seekandlisten]

Care to post some info as to what claims in the similarities are false?

There are many ancient texts containing stories of gods and divine being and tales to go with them and a lot of the points such as resurrections, miracles, etc. show up in all stories. Reincarnation is a well documented belief back in the day and their are many sources on the subject, even some Christians believed reincarnation in the first few centuries until it was outlawed. So why the quickness to write it off as a 'conspiracy theory'?

cheers

I just did. There are a bunch of others however, it requires and understanding to discern the truth. Most scholars would not wast time chasing these comparisons since they don't even add up at a glance, but apparently this type of trash is starting to get around to those who really know little to nothing of Christ in the first place, and such a mind is easy prey.

If this is where nonbelievers want to argue Christianity..... OK.

I don't quite get to point of you quoting me to make this comment?? The point I was trying to make was that if someone is going to make claims to such similarities as not being true to provide some info as to why this is, not just simply assert it. As I pointed out there are many different scenarios with similarities noted, though not always correct, and sometimes it just comes down to what one wants to believe. It's always best to research what one chooses to hold as a valid belief.

Thanks for your informative post on the matter.

cheers

 

[Danus]

I don't quite get to point of you quoting me to make this comment?? The point I was trying to make was that if someone is going to make claims to such similarities as not being true to provide some info as to why this is, not just simply assert it. As I pointed out there are many different scenarios with similarities noted, though not always correct, and sometimes it just comes down to what one wants to believe. It's always best to research what one chooses to hold as a valid belief.

Thanks for your informative post on the matter.

cheers

You asked for informative information about why the comparisons are not correct. I posted some info for you.

As for other stories and such....that does not mean much unless you want to dive into a few. A lot of non-Christians and Atheist try to compare Christianity to mystical religions as if such comparisons water Christianity down to nothing more that a whimsical myth that some weak minded people want to believe in when in fact Christianity is well rooted in History as well as anthropology and archeological fact.

 

[jasoncran]

the bible is always under attack. god is wise. it defends itself quite well.