When church leaders fail

[Christ_empowered]

A local youth minister is facing dozens of sex crime charges mostly related to acts of voyeurism he has confessed to already. Another local youth minister lives near my parents and yells at me on a regular basis when I visit my parents. Lol

A megachurch minister was forced to resign. He has a new church and a new wife. She’s younger and blonder than the wife he divorced a couple of years ago. No word on how the ex wife is doing btw.

As a kid a friends dad had a fling with a preacher’s wife. The preacher took to the pulpit one day to deliver a hell fire message…

Naming the people involved by name. Neither he nor the wife have been seen or heard from since at least not locally.

Examples abound. Jesus Christ saves. The church ️?

Looking kind of hopeless at times lol

What do y’all think ?

 

[Milk-Drops]

Basically power shows us who people are. A minister or preacher, like any form of authority, requires a lot of responsibility to those they are leading. Its not the position that makes a person great, but a person honoring their commitments that makes the position respectable.

Some of these sound like they forgot their responsibilities and settled more into their own lusts for power.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Valid points…

 

[WIP]

A minister or preacher, like any form of authority, requires a lot of responsibility to those they are leading.

This brings up a question for me. Is a minister or preacher in a position of authority over others?

 

[Milk-Drops]

This brings up a question for me. Is a minister or preacher in a position of authority over others?

I think it depends on the outlook of the congregation and denomination. I think it is very common for preachers and ministers to be seen as a pillar of the community and as the leader of the local church.

This definitely applies to sects that have youth pastors though.

 

[ATARI]

Hmm. . .

It's A Verily Strange Notion.
As One Eerily Ponders Upon, 'The Good Book'.

The Holy Bible, And!, Each Different Aspect Of Translation Upon Denomination.
There Are Pastors, Preachers, Congregations, Among The Cycle Of Life Living In The Living.

I Have Had My Fair Share Of Conversations With Those Upon The Egyptian Pyramid Of Acceptance & Denial.
In The End Consider Instinct, Commonsense, Intuition, Breathing Within The Heart, Mind, Flesh, Spirit And!, Soul.

Good Luck!,
May Wisdom Bless!.

And!,
Please,
Remember To,

Stay Forever True, Friend's. . .

 

[Hopeful 2]

I am glad that God gave us the requirements for bishops (pastors) in 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1.
The first requirement is "blameless".
When you go to any new church, the first thing you should do, is ask the pastor if he commits sin.
If he says "yes", leave.

 

[WIP]

I think it depends on the outlook of the congregation and denomination. I think it is very common for preachers and ministers to be seen as a pillar of the community and as the leader of the local church.

This definitely applies to sects that have youth pastors though.

Leader and position of authority are not the same thing. But I agree that it can depend on the mindset of the congregation.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Scripture seems to imply that church leaders have tremendous authority and responsibility…,

 

[Who Me]

In acts and in Paul's letters about church leaders it is clear that being a minister was not a one man role, there were other leaders with the minister sharing responsibility and caring for each other.
When considering joining a church, the power struc in that church and how responsibility and financial information/decisions are made should be open a d above board.
Example, ask how would the church leaders react to a charge of sexual abuse to one of their sons?

 

[ari.sketch]

The world is a broken place.
I believe that people/Christians fail every day, having the position or moniker of a leader does not excuse them.
But I also believe that God is full of grace and mercy.
We look at the Bible and we see God's people fail also (king David, Peter, Abraham).

For me, the question is not so much if Christian leaders will fail, but when they do, how do we respond and how we can we, as a body of Christ, help.

All of us will fall short, all of us will be that 1 sheep Jesus has to leave the 99. When that happen, how would we want the body of Christ to respond?

 

[GodsGrace]

I am glad that God gave us the requirements for bishops (pastors) in 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1.
The first requirement is "blameless".
When you go to any new church, the first thing you should do, is ask the pastor if he commits sin.
If he says "yes", leave.

By your standards H,
The world would be sans priests, pastors, etc!

 

[GodsGrace]

The world is a broken place.
I believe that people/Christians fail every day, having the position or moniker of a leader does not excuse them.
But I also believe that God is full of grace and mercy.
We look at the Bible and we see God's people fail also (king David, Peter, Abraham).

For me, the question is not so much if Christian leaders will fail, but when they do, how do we respond and how we can we, as a body of Christ, help.

All of us will fall short, all of us will be that 1 sheep Jesus has to leave the 99. When that happen, how would we want the body of Christ to respond?

They are held to a higher standard and are asked more of God.
James 3:1

 

[ari.sketch]

They are held to a higher standard and are asked more of God.
James 3:1

That is definitely true, all the more reason we ought to pray for them

and I don't mean to lay a standard (in which we would have no leaders, we need leaders), just stating that just because they're "leaders" that they wouldn't be tempted or even failed - being a leader will actually paint a bigger bullseye on your back

and I think you're on the right path about leaders being held at a higher standard, they are - and as such, they need to be better equipped and seasoned, not to mention the importance of accountability, and I think this is part of the problem; many leaders were not equipped or ready to assume the position of leadership (in which they are held at a higher standard)- and when they do assume leadership position, they were not properly supported or held accountable

 

[grumix8]

Don't follow the leaders follow God. It could be wrong for them we don't but know be in god's hands. What situation they were we don't not know it could be did nothing wrong or did we don't know but follow God and be like God.

 

[WIP]

That is definitely true, all the more reason we ought to pray for them

and I don't mean to lay a standard (in which we would have no leaders, we need leaders), just stating that just because they're "leaders" that they wouldn't be tempted or even failed - being a leader will actually paint a bigger bullseye on your back

and I think you're on the right path about leaders being held at a higher standard, they are - and as such, they need to be better equipped and seasoned, not to mention the importance of accountability, and I think this is part of the problem; many leaders were not equipped or ready to assume the position of leadership (in which they are held at a higher standard)- and when they do assume leadership position, they were not properly supported or held accountable

I think it is important to understand the difference between higher standard and higher pedestal. The latter can too easily be misplaced.