Bible Study When Did Christ God Become The Son Of God?

[Elijah674]

Hmmm...screws loose and "satanic teaching"....**sigh**

Fortunately, my fate is not dependent on agreeing with you or not...my fate and my destiny are sealed in Christ, for I have been born again!

Be careful my friend, not to place yourself in the seat of an accuser of the brethren...for that's not a good place to be.

Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.

Hi [postman!],;) was that post of mine to you????????? Perhaps you are taking it personal for a reason? Rom. 8:14? If so, then that is between you & the Holy Ghost, not me & you!

It does get kind of tireing to need to keep saying the same thing over & over again about two things that come up continuely, as far as myself as a person is concerned. First off I am not one to 'feel' the need to defend myself, as you just told me about your not needing me to judge you!??

OK: I do not know you from Adam, maybe a male or female even, who knows for sure? And perhaps you are a multiple poster of many even? Who knows that for sure?? And your Christian claim if that is your personal claim? Who knows if either or you or 'i' am what we claim? ONLY GOD KNOWS ONES HEART & MOTIVES! (not you or me young'in!)
He alone KNOWS where one is at, surely not me! And it seems that that was a personal [post] to me doing what you falsely think that I was doing?? (and that is a question)

SO: My posting's are for THE MATERIAL ONLY, unless that I do have a personal Christ/Kinship with one. And it appears that we are no where agreeing with that 1 John 5:16-17 Inspiration? (that also has a question mark there!)

And that was Number one. Here is Number Two from that of the 2 Cor. 4:2 ones that are found to perhaps (?) sidestep or distract or FALSE JUDGE, huh? (if not even Heb. 6:6??) And that is constantly done, which is to say or JUDGE what is in anothers heart & mind such as that any of us Christian's who (me) SINCERELY LOVE THEIR MASTER & WHICH ARE BEING SAVED BY HIS GRACE ALONE, Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:8 AND THEY (me) LOVE HIM AND ATTEMPT TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS through His power alone (7Th Day Sabbath included!)

are trying to work to be saved??? These ones know no more the MOTIVE to OBEY THEIR MASTER that did the John 3 Nicodemus one. More? Is that you?? I do not know?! But you do sound like you have a guilty conscience? (Acts 9:5 + Gen. 6:3) And that too is a question? Whatever?

And what makes you think that you are my brother?

--Elijah

 

[mcgyver]

I'd agree with you by-and-large, although I think that we're just scratching the surface here.

Just to clarify something though...I stated that the 10 commandments were given to the Hebrews as a sign that they were a unique people in a very special covenant with God.

I never said that God's laws were not universally applicable. God didn't tell His people not to murder (for example) and then give a pass to the gentiles to do that very thing. ;)

Were that the case, then every non-Jew would have an excuse for sin...which we know is not the case.

But we still run into the dynamic of righteousness by keeping of the law vs imputed righteousness through faith...and of course this is where grace and the covenant established by Christ come in, IMO.

 

[mcgyver]

Hi [postman!],;) was that post of mine to you????????? Perhaps you are taking it personal for a reason? Rom. 8:14? If so, then that is between you & the Holy Ghost, not me & you!

It does get kind of tireing to need to keep saying the same thing over & over again about two things that come up continuely, as far as myself as a person is concerned. First off I am not one to 'feel' the need to defend myself, as you just told me about your not needing me to judge you!??

OK: I do not know you from Adam, maybe a male or female even, who knows for sure? And perhaps you are a multiple poster of many even? Who knows that for sure?? And your Christian claim if that is your personal claim? Who knows if either or you or 'i' am what we claim? ONLY GOD KNOWS ONES HEART & MOTIVES! (not you or me young'in!)
He alone KNOWS where one is at, surely not me! And it seems that that was a personal [post] to me doing what you falsely think that I was doing?? (and that is a question)

SO: My posting's are for THE MATERIAL ONLY, unless that I do have a personal Christ/Kinship with one. And it appears that we are no where agreeing with that 1 John 5:16-17 Inspiration? (that also has a question mark there!)

And that was Number one. Here is Number Two from that of the 1 Cor. 4:2 ones that are found to perhaps (?) sidestep or distract or FALSE JUDGE, huh? (if not even Heb. 6:6??) And that is constantly done, which is to say or JUDGE what is in anothers heart & mind such as that any of us Christian's who (me) SINCERELY LOVE THEIR MASTER & WHICH ARE BEING SAVED BY HIS GRACE ALONE, Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:8 AND THEY (me) LOVE HIM AND ATTEMPT TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS through His power alone (7Th Day Sabbath included!)

are trying to work to be saved??? These ones know no more the MOTIVE to OBEY THEIR MASTER that did the John 3 Nicodemus one. More? Is that you?? I do not know?! But you do sound like you have a guilty conscience? (Acts 9:5 + Gen. 6:3) And that too is a question? Whatever?

If I misinterpreted your intent and your words, then I apologize...but it came across as a very personal statement in the way it was written. Once again my sincerest apologies if I took it the wrong way, and whether I took it the wrong way or not the harshness of my reply was uncalled for.

And what makes you think that you are my brother?

--Elijah

Have you been born again? Have you received Christ as your Savior and Lord? Have you experienced the new birth and been accounted as righteous before God by the shed blood of the lamb upon the cross?

If you have, then I am your brother in Christ. Simple as that.

 

[Nathan]

I'd agree with you by-and-large, although I think that we're just scratching the surface here.

Just to clarify something though...I stated that the 10 commandments were given to the Hebrews as a sign that they were a unique people in a very special covenant with God.

I never said that God's laws were not universally applicable. God didn't tell His people not to murder (for example) and then give a pass to the gentiles to do that very thing. ;)

Were that the case, then every non-Jew would have an excuse for sin...which we know is not the case.

But we still run into the dynamic of righteousness by keeping of the law vs imputed righteousness through faith...and of course this is where grace and the covenant established by Christ come in, IMO.

Ok, so where do you find that the 10 testimonies were given to ONLY the Hebrews, and for them ONLY to have and keep? Were they not given to Israel? Were they not given to keep pure, or in other words, entrusted?

Rom 9:4-5 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Rom 9:6-8 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Rom 9:25-26 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'" "And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'"

Therefore, the law belongs to Israel after the Spirit, not the flesh. Who are we?

There is never any righteousness attained by keeping the law. Never, not now, not ever. Righteousness has always been imputed through faith, then, now, and forevermore.

So what about the "new" covenant? Have you done any re-search? Anything to share?

 

[mcgyver]

Ok, so where do you find that the 10 testimonies were given to ONLY the Hebrews, and for them ONLY to have and keep? Were they not given to Israel? Were they not given to keep pure, or in other words, entrusted?

Rom 9:4-5 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Rom 9:6-8 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Rom 9:25-26 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'" "And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'"

Therefore, the law belongs to Israel after the Spirit, not the flesh. Who are we?

There is never any righteousness attained by keeping the law. Never, not now, not ever. Righteousness has always been imputed through faith, then, now, and forevermore.

Gotta love message boards...thought that's what I was in essence saying!

So what about the "new" covenant? Have you done any re-search? Anything to share?

Not really sure what you're driving at...so not really sure where to start.

 

[Nathan]

I'd agree with you by-and-large, although I think that we're just scratching the surface here.

Just to clarify something though...I stated that the 10 commandments were given to the Hebrews as a sign that they were a unique people in a very special covenant with God.

I never said that God's laws were not universally applicable. God didn't tell His people not to murder (for example) and then give a pass to the gentiles to do that very thing. ;)

Were that the case, then every non-Jew would have an excuse for sin...which we know is not the case.

But we still run into the dynamic of righteousness by keeping of the law vs imputed righteousness through faith...and of course this is where grace and the covenant established by Christ come in, IMO.

You got that right , scratching the surface is just that.

Think about this, and it goes along with what the thread is all about, Jesus IS Israel. He is the "first fruit". The "lump". The "vine".

Everything comes from Him.

How does a vine grow? What is the purpose of a vine?

If some 'branches'(jews) were broken off because of unbelief, that means they were attached before right? What was their unbelief of? Was that the only reason they were broken off? So how can they be attached and growing before this "new" covenant took place?

We were 'grafted' in. What 'nutrients' do we draw from the vine? Has the vine changed how it 'feeds' the branches? Are there still branches growing that have been there before us? Why have they not been broken off?

 

[mcgyver]

Ahhh....and the light bulb functions!!!

Now I see what you're asking...but I'm going to have to take a break for a bit, but
"I'll be bock"...:p