When did the Law pass or has it passed away?

[JLB]

Okay, call it in the air heads the Law of Moses has vanished away and tails the law of Moses has been taken away.

...you left out the option of 'fulfilled':

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I win!

Now, let me introduce you to my air gun. Hold still.

Very good young grasshopper.

You have done well here. Now you must leave the temple, and go out and live the new life in Christ.


JLB

 

[eddif]

Making a comment or two on these posts is a way to not win friends among administrators (?). LOL Hey I appreciate admin and administration is one of the spiritual gifts.

The circumcision of the flesh was a shadow of the circumcision made without hands.

That's right. And that's also why I am so curious about how or why we argues too much 'bout 'dis. Because nobody can tell me that I got to put that back on to my penis. That stuff is dead. It does not matter if somebody tells me that I am not free in the Lord and that I must follow the law because the circumcision is not about the physical body anymore. So then when we are told (and I'm not hearing anybody actually say this - it is so ridiculous that it become ludicrousness) but we simply can not expect life from that which is dead and gone. So even if the Lord Himself told me, He'd have to show me how and make a way for me to do such a thing, and that's not gonna happen either, so why we argue muchly?

In plain English, it's not possible for a Christian to be bound to the law. What the Son sets free is free indeed. Was Jesus bound? It appeared that way, for a moment, but the truth be known, no. He made that decision and not even death could hold (or bind) him.

This is going to be tough. I live in a world of symbolism. Because I do, I have to be very careful to know the difference in: physical realities / spiritual realities.

When JLB makes his statement I hear: The physical is the shadow and the spiritual is the reality. So I look at the shadow and try and figure out what the spiritual reality is like. We, IMHO, live in a physical world (a through a glass darkly existence). We are not totally blind and we have to ask for clarity of the spiritual realities (born again helps). I was not trying to put words in JLB's mouth in any way, but just use his comment as a jumping off point.

The Law is Spiritual, but contains many physical actions and symbols that are shadows of spiritual realities. Looking at the circumcised member is not the reality, and if you are not to reverse the procedure.

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The circumcision of the heart is not to be reversed and go back to the physical aspects of the law, after you have tasted of the spiritual reality of Jesus.

If you do not study the physical aspects of the Law you miss the lessons they teach. I did not say practice the Law but meditate on the Law. Keeping the Law is more about the reality than the shadow. The reality of the Law is an ultimate goal.

To just chunk the Law is to miss a rich treasure. Things hidden from the foundation of the world are studied (at least a few study them). Treasures hidden in the law exist too.

There are several ways to look at the Law:
Whole physical law totally needs to be followed
Get rid of the temporal law
Study the Law to learn what is going on today (best studied with the knowledge of what you are looking for---Jesus the Christ).

To totally chunk the law just leaves our imagination to decide what the spiritual realities are. The Law helps us understand the spiritual realities we seek (when you get to the spiritual aspect of the law----Lawfully)

I Corinthians 10:11
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Chapter 10 is all about looking at what dead folks did so that we might learn from their mistakes. The Law is much the same. We learn from a past time. I look at the Law as a schoolmaster and not a thing to be physically practiced.

The work... is the work of idolatrous sin and faithlessness.

Well, yes. We are to die to sin. We also are to rise in the newness of life. There is much to learn from this. I love the poetic nature of those things that are glimpsed in the law where they may be applied and put to use. Even simple contemplation and a grateful heart is part of the "Rest". I've heard that Jesus left us "his peace" and that's something that provokes so much thought in me. The peace that our Lord showed. He gave us this. We have (wait, I'm only talking about me here, and stand corrected), I have so far to go in this. The desire that forms in me for a strong and abiding peace, like that which I may only glimpse in the life of The Christ calls and draws me toward a place where we also hear, "Be still."

Do you hear it too?

"Be still and know..."

"Because nobody can tell me" Administration is a spiritual. So I have respect for administration. If I respectfully suggested some things that you could possibly hear? LOL

Poetry does speak. Looking at the anatomy of an ox also helps see a preachers needed actions (straight out of the Law).

There is a place for literature and a place for science books. There is a place for OT study and NT study.

There is no real wall between any of us. There just appears to be walls. Kick down plaster walls. LOL

eddif

 

[JLB]

If you do not study the physical aspects of the Law you miss the lessons they teach. I did not say practice the Law but meditate on the Law. Keeping the Law is more about the reality than the shadow. The reality of the Law is an ultimate goal.

All the Law and the Psalms and the prophets are filled with the treasures of spiritual revelations of Christ.

I for one do not say to "chunk" the law, I do say say that the law of Moses has been taken away and the new has been established.

We don't "keep" the law of Moses, in that we don't sacrifice animals for our sins, we do not go to Levite priests, we are priests...

All scripture is for profitable and inspired by God.


JLB

 

[George Muller]

The circumcision of the heart is not to be reversed and go back to the physical aspects of the law, after you have tasted of the spiritual reality of Jesus.

If you do not study the physical aspects of the Law you miss the lessons they teach. I did not say practice the Law but meditate on the Law. Keeping the Law is more about the reality than the shadow. The reality of the Law is an ultimate goal.

What do you think this certain cutting away from a mans organ would represent? Is it a picture of "lust"?

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

 

[Sparkey]

Kick down plaster walls.

The Ox you have spoken to hears you. The plaster walls surround the china shop. Too much caution needed and not until the Lord has said, "Go."

Until such time, we are all given weapons mighty. Mighty unto the pulling down of strongholds. Holds that are strong. Today the boundaries and walls also serve to protect. Later, that need will no longer need be served in the same manner; this is a work for the Lord.

 

[eddif]

The circumcision of the heart is not to be reversed and go back to the physical aspects of the law, after you have tasted of the spiritual reality of Jesus.

If you do not study the physical aspects of the Law you miss the lessons they teach. I did not say practice the Law but meditate on the Law. Keeping the Law is more about the reality than the shadow. The reality of the Law is an ultimate goal.

What do you think this certain cutting away from a mans organ would represent? Is it a picture of "lust"? K

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

You have me needing to put up or shut up LOL.

The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. I would think all sins could be addressed. Surely lust would be one group (lust of eyes, lust of flesh, pride of life). It appears that the word hid in our heart would be the crucified Christ (word made flesh - with a sword ). A double edge sword should take card of the need.

You do realize this all sounds a little strange. The natural pacemaker supplies the beat of the natural heart. Jesus (the word made flesh) causes the stony heart to change over to the will of God (planted in good ground).

eddif

 

[George Muller]

The circumcision of the heart is not to be reversed and go back to the physical aspects of the law, after you have tasted of the spiritual reality of Jesus.

If you do not study the physical aspects of the Law you miss the lessons they teach. I did not say practice the Law but meditate on the Law. Keeping the Law is more about the reality than the shadow. The reality of the Law is an ultimate goal.

What do you think this certain cutting away from a mans organ would represent? Is it a picture of "lust"? K

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

You have me needing to put up or shut up LOL.

The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. I would think all sins could be addressed. Surely lust would be one group (lust of eyes, lust of flesh, pride of life). It appears that the word hid in our heart would be the crucified Christ (word made flesh - with a sword ). A double edge sword should take card of the need.

You do realize this all sounds a little strange. The natural pacemaker supplies the beat of the natural heart. Jesus (the word made flesh) causes the stony heart to change over to the will of God (planted in good ground).

eddif

yes I see it as "cutting away" the desires of the flesh from our hearts, by which we might keep the 1st commandment to love the Lord with ALL OUR HEARTS. Thanks for the reply