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When did the modern day tongues movement begin?
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Probably depends on who you ask. 
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Imagican
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not really true. We can CERTAINLY find evidence that it was barely a hundred years ago.
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Some Quakers, hungry to read the newly available New Testament, were among the first, and probably a few Huguenots.
This information is easly found by those who love truth, and don't really care what the truth, what their pastor told them, and what denomination recovered it first.
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(The fact that most Quakers became PC obsessed "liberals" over time, is of course irrelevant).
This information is easly found by those who love truth, and don't really care what the truth, what their pastor told them, and what denomination recovered it first.
Rad
(The fact that most Quakers became PC obsessed "liberals" over time, is of course irrelevant).
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1906 to present
The revival at Azusa Street lasted until around 1915. But from it grew many new Protestant splinter groups and denominations, as people visited the services in Los Angeles and took their new found beliefs to communities around the US and abroad. Many denominations rejected the doctrines of Parham and Seymour, while some denominations adopted them in one form or another. Baptism of the Holy Spirit was a doctrine that was embraced by the Assemblies of God (est. 1914) and Pentecostal Church of God (est. 1919) and others. Glossolalia became entrenched into the doctrines of many Protestant sects and denominations in the twentieth century. The later Charismatic movement was heavily influenced by the Azusa Street Revival and Pentecostalism's glossolalia.
Some Christians practice glossolalia as a part of their private devotions; some accept and sometimes promote the use of glossolalia within corporate worship. This is particularly true within the Pentecostal and Charismatic traditions. Both Pentecostals and Charismatics believe that the ability to speak in tongues, and sometimes the utterance itself, is a supernatural gift from God.
On singing in the Spirit, Donald Hustad describes a pattern observed in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches in which, during worship, someone begins to utter musical sounds, which may or may not have recognizable words. Other members of the congregation join in and, although there is no particular effort to match the pitch or the words, the overall effect is harmonious. "It is as if the strings of a huge Aeolian harp have been set in motion by the wind of the Holy Spirit. The strangely-beautiful sound rises in volume, lasts for a longer or shorter period, and then gradually dies away."[62]
Three different manifestations or forms of glossolalia can be identified in Charismatic / Pentecostal belief. The "sign of tongues" refers to xenoglossia, wherein one speaks a foreign language he has never learned. The "gift of tongues" or "giving a tongue" refers to a glossolalic utterance by an individual and addressed to a congregation of, typically, other believers. This utterance is believed to be inspired directly by the Holy Spirit and requires a natural language interpretation, made by the speaker or another person if it is to be understood by others present. Lastly "praying in the spirit" is typically used to refer to glossolalia as part of personal prayer.
The discussion regarding tongues has permeated many branches of the Protestantism, particularly since the widespread Charismatic Movement in the 1960s. Many books have been published either defending[63] or attacking[64] the practice. The issue has sometimes been a contributing factor in splits within local churches and in larger denominations. The controversy over tongues is part of the wider debate between conservative, evangelical Christians whose approach to the Christian Scriptures requires addressing the texts that endorse glossolalia.[citation needed] Within that debate are continuationists who believe that glossolalia has a role to play in contemporary Christian practice and cessationalists and dispensationalists who believe that all miraculous gifts, including glossolalia, were featured only in the time of the early Church.
[edit] Non-Christian practice
Christians who practice glossolalia believe it to have begun as a gift confirming the presence of the Holy Spirit at the time of Acts Chapter 2 in the New Testament. Often called "Charismatic Christians" (charisma = gift), these individuals usually believe that the glossolalia practiced by Non-Christian groups is not the same as the "speaking in tongues" that occurs in Christian groups.
Other religious groups been observed to practice some form of theopneustic glossolalia. It is perhaps most commonly in Paganism, Shamanism, and other mediumistic religious practices.[65]
Glossolalia was exhibited by the renowned ancient Oracle of Delphi, whereby a priestess of the god Apollo (called the Pythia) speaks in unintelligible utterances, supposedly through the spirit of Apollo in her.[citation needed]
Glossolalia has even been postulated as an explanation for the Voynich manuscript.[66]
There are some [WHO?] who consider the following in Judaism to be some form of glossolalia:
Various rituals and references exist about prayer of people not familiar with the holy language, and the importance of prayers said by people who only know how to mumble the words without understanding them. In the 17th century it was said in the name of the Baal Shem Tov upon hearing the prayer of someone who instead of praising God who blesses the years (HaShanim) praised God who blesses the women (HaNashim). He said that this person's prayers are the highest and holiest.
There are various texts and sayings to be read during the Jewish traditional prayers, which are either unintelligible or purposefully said in Aramaic.
It is interesting to note the texts to be recited during the Shavuot celebrations (original ceremony of Pentecost) must be read in the original Hebrew directly from the Bible, even if the person reading it does not understand the meaning. [67]
Certain Gnostic magical texts from the Roman period have written on them unintelligible syllables such as "t t t t n n n n d d d d d..." etc. It is conjectured that these may be transliterations of the sorts of sounds made during glossolalia. The Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians also features a hymn of (mostly) unintelligible syllables which is thought to be an early example of Christian glossolalia.
In the nineteenth century, Spiritism was developed by the work of Allan Kardec, and the phenomenon was seen as one of the self-evident manifestations of spirits. Spiritists argued that some cases were actually cases of xenoglossia (from Greek,xenos, stranger; and glossa, language. When one speaks in a language unknown to him). However, the importance attributed to it, as well as its frequency, has decreased significantly. Some present-day spiritists[who?] regard the phenomenon pointless, as it does not convey any intelligible message to those present.
Glossolalia has also been observed in the Voodoo religion of Haiti,[68] as well as in the Hindu Gurus and Fakirs of India.[69][70]
Ok, while this IS from wikipedia, it closely follows what I have studied from MANY different sources? Is this COMPLETE? By NO MEANS, but it certainly offers some insight INTO the 'modern tongues' movement and WHEN it 'began'.
Blessings,
MEC
The revival at Azusa Street lasted until around 1915. But from it grew many new Protestant splinter groups and denominations, as people visited the services in Los Angeles and took their new found beliefs to communities around the US and abroad. Many denominations rejected the doctrines of Parham and Seymour, while some denominations adopted them in one form or another. Baptism of the Holy Spirit was a doctrine that was embraced by the Assemblies of God (est. 1914) and Pentecostal Church of God (est. 1919) and others. Glossolalia became entrenched into the doctrines of many Protestant sects and denominations in the twentieth century. The later Charismatic movement was heavily influenced by the Azusa Street Revival and Pentecostalism's glossolalia.
Some Christians practice glossolalia as a part of their private devotions; some accept and sometimes promote the use of glossolalia within corporate worship. This is particularly true within the Pentecostal and Charismatic traditions. Both Pentecostals and Charismatics believe that the ability to speak in tongues, and sometimes the utterance itself, is a supernatural gift from God.
On singing in the Spirit, Donald Hustad describes a pattern observed in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches in which, during worship, someone begins to utter musical sounds, which may or may not have recognizable words. Other members of the congregation join in and, although there is no particular effort to match the pitch or the words, the overall effect is harmonious. "It is as if the strings of a huge Aeolian harp have been set in motion by the wind of the Holy Spirit. The strangely-beautiful sound rises in volume, lasts for a longer or shorter period, and then gradually dies away."[62]
Three different manifestations or forms of glossolalia can be identified in Charismatic / Pentecostal belief. The "sign of tongues" refers to xenoglossia, wherein one speaks a foreign language he has never learned. The "gift of tongues" or "giving a tongue" refers to a glossolalic utterance by an individual and addressed to a congregation of, typically, other believers. This utterance is believed to be inspired directly by the Holy Spirit and requires a natural language interpretation, made by the speaker or another person if it is to be understood by others present. Lastly "praying in the spirit" is typically used to refer to glossolalia as part of personal prayer.
The discussion regarding tongues has permeated many branches of the Protestantism, particularly since the widespread Charismatic Movement in the 1960s. Many books have been published either defending[63] or attacking[64] the practice. The issue has sometimes been a contributing factor in splits within local churches and in larger denominations. The controversy over tongues is part of the wider debate between conservative, evangelical Christians whose approach to the Christian Scriptures requires addressing the texts that endorse glossolalia.[citation needed] Within that debate are continuationists who believe that glossolalia has a role to play in contemporary Christian practice and cessationalists and dispensationalists who believe that all miraculous gifts, including glossolalia, were featured only in the time of the early Church.
[edit] Non-Christian practice
Christians who practice glossolalia believe it to have begun as a gift confirming the presence of the Holy Spirit at the time of Acts Chapter 2 in the New Testament. Often called "Charismatic Christians" (charisma = gift), these individuals usually believe that the glossolalia practiced by Non-Christian groups is not the same as the "speaking in tongues" that occurs in Christian groups.
Other religious groups been observed to practice some form of theopneustic glossolalia. It is perhaps most commonly in Paganism, Shamanism, and other mediumistic religious practices.[65]
Glossolalia was exhibited by the renowned ancient Oracle of Delphi, whereby a priestess of the god Apollo (called the Pythia) speaks in unintelligible utterances, supposedly through the spirit of Apollo in her.[citation needed]
Glossolalia has even been postulated as an explanation for the Voynich manuscript.[66]
There are some [WHO?] who consider the following in Judaism to be some form of glossolalia:
Various rituals and references exist about prayer of people not familiar with the holy language, and the importance of prayers said by people who only know how to mumble the words without understanding them. In the 17th century it was said in the name of the Baal Shem Tov upon hearing the prayer of someone who instead of praising God who blesses the years (HaShanim) praised God who blesses the women (HaNashim). He said that this person's prayers are the highest and holiest.
There are various texts and sayings to be read during the Jewish traditional prayers, which are either unintelligible or purposefully said in Aramaic.
It is interesting to note the texts to be recited during the Shavuot celebrations (original ceremony of Pentecost) must be read in the original Hebrew directly from the Bible, even if the person reading it does not understand the meaning. [67]
Certain Gnostic magical texts from the Roman period have written on them unintelligible syllables such as "t t t t n n n n d d d d d..." etc. It is conjectured that these may be transliterations of the sorts of sounds made during glossolalia. The Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians also features a hymn of (mostly) unintelligible syllables which is thought to be an early example of Christian glossolalia.
In the nineteenth century, Spiritism was developed by the work of Allan Kardec, and the phenomenon was seen as one of the self-evident manifestations of spirits. Spiritists argued that some cases were actually cases of xenoglossia (from Greek,xenos, stranger; and glossa, language. When one speaks in a language unknown to him). However, the importance attributed to it, as well as its frequency, has decreased significantly. Some present-day spiritists[who?] regard the phenomenon pointless, as it does not convey any intelligible message to those present.
Glossolalia has also been observed in the Voodoo religion of Haiti,[68] as well as in the Hindu Gurus and Fakirs of India.[69][70]
Ok, while this IS from wikipedia, it closely follows what I have studied from MANY different sources? Is this COMPLETE? By NO MEANS, but it certainly offers some insight INTO the 'modern tongues' movement and WHEN it 'began'.
Blessings,
MEC
Thanks for that MEC. Penetecostals in general believe that there is a second experience called the baptism of the Holy Spirit. ie the first experience is being born again, the second, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. For your 'edification', I don't. There is only one and they are the same thing. Some who are born again receive the gift of tongues. Some - other gifts.
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Mutz,
Thank you for that.
Regardless of my words. If there is such a thing as 'true tongues' today, then those that are so gifted will KNOW this. I cannot alter what The Spirit chooses to give or take. I have a source of information called The Word. That is what I accept and try to understand and follow as The Spirit is able to influence.
The 'tongues' that I have witnessed are NOT 'true tongues'. Not according to The Word.
I have, by NO MEANS, experienced or witnessed ALL who 'speak in tongues'.
And I offer that for the edification of any that have followed my posts concerning 'tongues'.
Blessings,
MEC
Thank you for that.
Regardless of my words. If there is such a thing as 'true tongues' today, then those that are so gifted will KNOW this. I cannot alter what The Spirit chooses to give or take. I have a source of information called The Word. That is what I accept and try to understand and follow as The Spirit is able to influence.
The 'tongues' that I have witnessed are NOT 'true tongues'. Not according to The Word.
I have, by NO MEANS, experienced or witnessed ALL who 'speak in tongues'.
And I offer that for the edification of any that have followed my posts concerning 'tongues'.
Blessings,
MEC