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When the Pope kissed the Koran

Rollo Tamasi said:
When the pope gets off an airplane, what's the first thing he does?
He gets done on his knees and kisses the ground.
Why?
Because he's claiming that land for the romanist church.
Most romanist catholics never know these things.
Why?
Because they simply refuse to believe it.
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I am sure he kisses many things for a variety of reasons. If he does it with the intent to move the Kingdom of God forward, then may God bless his endeavors.

I may not agree with many RCC traditions or even doctrines, but I do not discount them as Christians. My belief is that we need a spirit of reconciliation, and that is what I see in Pope John Paul II. As a result, Christianity spreads in Iraq which we should all rejoice in.

Do some homework and study the Samaritan’s where Jesus spoke to the woman at the well. The Samaritans claim a distant relative through Ephriam and Monasis, which were Joseph’s sons. The Jews despised them, and they despised Jews. Yet Jesus reached out and reconciliation occurred.

To be clear, Jesus spoke the truth without hesitation. But he did so in a way that was not rude or demeaning.

The Koran has much to say about Abraham in way of ancestry and although they do not believe Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, they do highly regard Jesus as a well respected prophet. This is more than some Orthodox Jew view of Jesus.

In parts of the Koran, Muslims are to treat Christians well. This is called having hospitality, which is a trait from Abraham.

When two religions are seeking unity and not uniformity, then it is better than war and death which is the result of radicalism aka ISIS or on our side of the fence, Westboro or other similar hate groups like the neo nazis that hijack Christianity.
 
must be the reformed in me and while not the individual ones I know but the church as a whole?

yea corrupt ,what rhollo said is true ,the pope ordered the Spaniards to convert by any means .

santo francisco ,Santo Diego, missionaries church plants take of the to and you know those cities .
los Alamos ,tx and a few tiny ones lost in history in my,state .

not that protestants didn't do that but not on,the scale ,they were more subtle and more interested In trade(French after the former way of aggression) or simply taking the land .
the Brits were murdering the Catholics for being heretics and vice versa .that plays a backdrop to our colonies and also the Westminster confession ,see lord Cromwell and what he did to the Irish .

I just thinking it wasn't wise to kiss a Quran and this from a man who had a grown Muslim in tears when I left country .I did much for him ,he knew where I was in the faith .I didn't hide it ,but not also try to win souls .my job was to serve the military as ordered .
some asked me about it I told them.I was thinking of sayed Anwar earlier
 
jasonc said:
must be the reformed in me and while not the individual ones I know but the church as a whole?

yea corrupt ,what rhollo said is true ,the pope ordered the Spaniards to convert by any means .

santo francisco ,Santo Diego, missionaries church plants take of the to and you know those cities .
los Alamos ,tx and a few tiny ones lost in history in my,state .

not that protestants didn't do that but not on,the scale ,they were more subtle and more interested In trade(French after the former way of aggression) or simply taking the land .
the Brits were murdering the Catholics for being heretics and vice versa .that plays a backdrop to our colonies and also the Westminster confession ,see lord Cromwell and what he did to the Irish .

I just thinking it wasn't wise to kiss a Quran and this from a man who had a grown Muslim in tears when I left country .I did much for him ,he knew where I was in the faith .I didn't hide it ,but not also try to win souls .my job was to serve the military as ordered .
some asked me about it I told them.I was thinking of sayed Anwar earlier
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As Paul said... Jews sin, gentiles sin. For all have sinned and fell short of the glory of God.

Do Christians not sin?...
 
stovebolts said:
As Paul said... Jews sin, gentiles sin. For all have sinned and fell short of the glory of God.

Do Christians not sin?...
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doesn't excuse idolatry .

Paula white ,a female pastor ,divorced three times ,people follow her ,

I doubt she even believes .should I ask my pastor to play journey music for worship,to call upon the spirits of Africa ?

sorry ,outside of the Quakers ,my denomation is the oldest in America .they don't compromise .I'm moving away from seeker friendly church views ,I'm not becoming noneucaminical just see a lot of junk called theology and worship .

my church isn't overly,rigid as it tolerates a female pastor led Hispanic church to rent from its building . charismatic yes but not oneness
 
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my favorite style of architecture is basically a Moorish style ,this is one of two churches that I can use for an examples .

the moors weren't exactly tolerant .names of my town streets have me learning ie grenada a Moorish province absorbed by castille
 
jasonc said:
doesn't excuse idolatry .
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And Jesus never excused Adultery with the woman at the well or the woman who was brought before him that was caught in the act of adultery.

It’s not about excusing sin. It’s about offering an opportunity to reconcile. It’s about creating an environment we’re the seeds of repentance can be sown.

Acts 2 is a prime example. These same Jews were the ones who cried out to Pilate, “crucify him, and may his blood be on us and our children”.
 
that is a catholic church
stovebolts said:
And Jesus never excused Adultery with the woman at the well or the woman who was brought before him that was caught in the act of adultery.

It’s not about excusing sin. It’s about offering an opportunity to reconcile. It’s about creating an environment we’re the seeds of repentance can be sown.

Acts 2 is a prime example. These same Jews were the ones who cried out to Pilate, “crucify him, and may his blood be on us and our children”.
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this wouldn't be a problem had he not kissed the book.

Muslims are odd ,this I know ,an infedel may not disrespect that Quran but I have seen them do it . toilet paper made out of it ,not common but it does happen .
 
taking a book is one thing ,kissing it is another .

never saw a Muslim kiss that book in person ,not saying they didn't just not around me
 
jasonc said:
taking a book is one thing ,kissing it is another .
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I agree. Let’s keep this in context though. John Paul did not bring the Koran into St Peters, raise it before the congregation, quote from it and then proceed to kiss it.

From what I understand, the Koran was a gift from the tribal leaders in Iraq. The Koran was the most precious gift they could give to the Pope. In return, the Pope showed a very deep sign of his appreciation and acceptance of the gift by kissing it.

We should be rejoicing that John Paul II was able to foster such a deep connection with the Muslims in Iraq. Without a reciprocal relationship, Christianity would be removed from Iraq which occurred when ISIS took over. Pope Francis just returned from Iraq as they rebuild the churches and the persecution ends. Without these peaceful Muslims, Christianity would be non existent in Iraq.

when I look at it this way, I can start to understand and appreciate the gratitude John Paul II must have felt to receive such a precious gift. Such a token of the Muslims faith seeking unity with distant cousins.
 
Iraqi are not Arabs ,th
stovebolts said:
I agree. Let’s keep this in context though. John Paul did not bring the Koran into St Peters, raise it before the congregation, quote from it and then proceed to kiss it.

From what I understand, the Koran was a gift from the tribal leaders in Iraq. The Koran was the most precious gift they could give to the Pope. In return, the Pope showed a very deep sign of his appreciation and acceptance of the gift by kissing it.

We should be rejoicing that John Paul II was able to foster such a deep connection with the Muslims in Iraq. Without a reciprocal relationship, Christianity would be removed from Iraq which occurred when ISIS took over. Pope Francis just returned from Iraq as they rebuild the churches and the persecution ends. Without these peaceful Muslims, Christianity would be non existent in Iraq.

when I look at it this way, I can start to understand and appreciate the gratitude John Paul II must have felt to receive such a precious gift. Such a token of the Muslims faith seeking unity with distant cousins.
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Iraqis are not Arabs ,though they speak Arabic ,the Kurds are not Arabs ,the Shiites are not Arabs but Persian .Iraq isn't a unified people but that's another thread
 
stovebolts said:
that's ok jason. But if I can ask, what specifically do you disagree with, and why?
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one the catholic church has said under him ,Muslims and us worship the same God,

Allah will slay those who even do as he commanded just because .Islam says he has no son .
while a jew will agree that Jesus is not the son of God as well and God isn't a trinity.
2. the Catholic faith under the papal system fought and removed many Muslims in Europa lands ,surely the idea of what the moors believed wasn't something they knew about and tortured them for and Jews and protestants during the inquisition.that plays into the discovery of America by Columbus as a back drop .the name Grenada is aluded to it ,my town picked Spanish and Indians names and even had a charter on a membership where a reciting of the Europeans came and took la Florida and having beaten the Indians and Muslims before hand we their descendants whether Spaniards or not claim this land .that is not pre 1900 but the 20s ,the architecture isn't coincidental ,tremble chose it because it fit what the spanish did .

the town to the south has an Alhambra avenue ,a Moorish mosque in Seville ,also a tiny town in my state and street in my city near these names ,balboa ,cortez,it can be coincidental but not likely . would you then ignore that and not see that the Roman church ,though not alone in this did know what the Quran stood for ?

I could go into the Indian names east of Seville ,quite a bit .all warrior tribes .but my point of historical knowing what Islam is made
 
said catholic church is close to and owns a lot by Seville and owns homes on De Leon ,that is a recent event of buying homes .
 
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