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Bible Study when we were a Spirit Ball In heaven we chose how we would look before earth`?

smaller said:
Most of the time Bill it's meeting people where they are at regardless if we agree or not.
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That works with everything except God, God does not ever bend and when we grow in the faith and our closeness to God we learn that and must teach it to others or go to Hell with them. And the second choice is not acceptable.

I understand where your preferred outlook comes from but our Progressiveness will condemn us and i seek that none should end up in that basket. It has been taught over and over and over until it permeates the Church but the question that must be answered with absolute affirmation is how does God feel about this and after better than twenty-six years of searching I can affirm that God is not tickled with our slow slide away from reverence for Him.
 
Roro1972 said:
I always thought that applied to Jeremiah only because God said he formed him to be a prophet and sanctified him before birth. I did not see how to apply to mankind God does not form each to be a prophet or sanctify each before birth; does he?
That said I do believe we did not form or choose any thing before we were born.
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What happened to Jeremiah is a standard for all men who are a part of the Elect. See ....
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

The Elect do not choose what we will become, only God has that function before we are born.
 
th1b.taylor said:
That works with everything except God, God does not ever bend and when we grow in the faith and our closeness to God we learn that and must teach it to others or go to Hell with them. And the second choice is not acceptable.

I understand where your preferred outlook comes from but our Progressiveness will condemn us and i seek that none should end up in that basket. It has been taught over and over and over until it permeates the Church but the question that must be answered with absolute affirmation is how does God feel about this and after better than twenty-six years of searching I can affirm that God is not tickled with our slow slide away from reverence for Him.
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Some people get a long ways down various holes Bill. They are asking for a hand from darkness very often. We should not neglect giving a LIGHT HAND to anyone, even if it touches the darkness when reaching in.
 
Chopper said:
What happened to Jeremiah is a standard for all men who are a part of the Elect. See ....
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

The Elect do not choose what we will become, only God has that function before we are born.
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I can not thank you enough Chopper for helping me understand. Im a slow learner bare with me if possible.
 
Roro1972 said:
I can not thank you enough Chopper for helping me understand. Im a slow learner bare with me if possible.
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O Roro, you are a very special friend of mine and I'll help you all I can. My call to the ministry of Jesus the Son of God was to those who wanted to know more of the Word of God. I simply am a shepherd of my Master Jesus, and He delights in people who hunger for His Word so they can grow in the faith and be good representatives of Him Who saved them.

I'm always ready to help you all that I can and I'm honored that you would call on me. I Love You! :hug
 
smaller said:
Some people get a long ways down various holes Bill. They are asking for a hand from darkness very often. We should not neglect giving a LIGHT HAND to anyone, even if it touches the darkness when reaching in.
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Agreed but that is not a reason to dishonor God and my ringing to light for this individual the Truth, is a hand up and nothing more.
 
th1b.taylor said:
Maybe so but the issue is critical because he that endures until the end will be saved. (Matt. 24:13)
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We really don't know where anyone is really at, until there is at least some dialog. Even if a person spouts perfect doctrine in your or my view are then they the only people we can get along with? Or must we always go to auto-condemn zone?

I'm not willing to chuck any person overboard for any reason. Just not my job.
 
smaller said:
We really don't know where anyone is really at, until there is at least some dialog. Even if a person spouts perfect doctrine in your or my view are then they the only people we can get along with? Or must we always go to auto-condemn zone?

I'm not willing to chuck any person overboard for any reason. Just not my job.
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And you seem to be prejudging, none the less. Teaching proper and and honoring handling of the very Word of God never dumps anyone except their heart was never broken by God in the first place and if that is the case, an early identification of that issue is essential to grasp before Satan throws up defenses. And while tossing anyone overboard is neither of our positions, it is the duty of both of us to identify and work for salvation and I know, from the first forty-five years of my life, those years could have been redeemed had the truth been taught to me early on instead of my every meeting with people calling themselves Christian not been silk covered velvet cloth experiences.
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Love is not always a Feather Pillow Experience, those are earned and the instruction for arriving there is most effectively arrived at through hard love teaching. There are, for a life example of this application, people throughout the Church Body and in the Active Military that have gone all cushy and disapprove of Godly Manhood. But neither my dad nor SSG Brown made the man, the soldier, I grew into without testing me by fire and over and over, in Germany, I saved men's careers for certain doom by doing to them what had been avoided in their Basic Training and their Advanced Individual Training (AIT).

I lost exactly one man years of redeeming men from certain destruction and that one because my First Sergeant and Company Commander were not willing to allow me to break in order to rebuild and they allowed the Bed Wetter to volunteer for Vietnam, And he lived there for a few weeks before he was killed. Who killed him. the possibilities are endless.

I will stand by and watch no man dig a hole into Hell, it is a violation of my service due to my Heavenly Father.
 
th1b.taylor said:
And you seem to be prejudging, none the less. Teaching proper and and honoring handling of the very Word of God never dumps anyone except their heart was never broken by God in the first place and if that is the case, an early identification of that issue is essential to grasp before Satan throws up defenses.
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No one sees Perfectly Bill, inclusive if king "I." I always try to keep that in mind when engaging others.
 
smaller said:
No one sees Perfectly Bill, inclusive if king "I." I always try to keep that in mind when engaging others.
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Smaller,
Your argument is nothing more than that at this point. You can offer fifty ways to rationalize against a teacher and at the end you will have offered fifty ways to perform the same sin. We are not called in the last three verses of Matthew to accommodate sin we are called to teach and to convert away from sin. You have set your mind that I attacked when I did nothing of the kind. This needs to stop, pride has entered in.
 
th1b.taylor said:
Smaller,
Your argument is nothing more than that at this point. You can offer fifty ways to rationalize against a teacher and at the end you will have offered fifty ways to perform the same sin. We are not called in the last three verses of Matthew to accommodate sin we are called to teach and to convert away from sin. You have set your mind that I attacked when I did nothing of the kind. This needs to stop, pride has entered in.
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Just because someone says spirit ball doesn't mean they are going to hell Bill.
 
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