where did the metrosexuals go?

[Jethro Bodine]

Ah! Just that's just scary!

Reminds of Bernadette Peters in the original Longest Yard
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[Pizza]

LOL. I was reading some gender theory stuff and thinking about this...like, 10 years ago, we called well-groomed, affluent men metrosexual. Now, it seems to be a part of the mainstream culture. Gender theorists have a rep for always writing on women's issues, but some of the sociological stuff on men and masculinity is fascinating, too.

Weren't "metrosexuals" also rather feminine? Heterosexual, but feminine: anti gun, not actual leaders in the household, not usually strong fathers or disciplinarians OR strong defenders of the home. You know, weak men.

To a great extent, I think they were somewhat a product of the feminist movement.

One lady even sung a song about the disappearance of the real man:

Try to not watch the video, LISTEN TO THE WORDS.

 

[Lewis]

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[jasonc]

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lol the artist formely known as prince, prince, and ankh. and back to being prince. yup, the jokes about him and Madonna lol

 

[jasonc]

Weren't "metrosexuals" also rather feminine? Heterosexual, but feminine: anti gun, not actual leaders in the household, not usually strong fathers or disciplinarians OR strong defenders of the home. You know, weak men.

To a great extent, I think they were somewhat a product of the feminist movement.

One lady even sung a song about the disappearance of the real man:

Try to not watch the video, LISTEN TO THE WORDS.

just so you know. in the Hispanic culture most men are this way and I would hardly call the latino culture effimate. I wasn't going to poke at a friend about this but I will know since he is Hispanic.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I don't think its a result of feminism, lol...some sociologists have written about stuff like this...men (especially in the US) have long been given conflicting ideas on what constitutes a "real man." Maybe feminism relates to this because women now make their own money, sometimes as much or more than men in their demographic bracket, and so...looks matter more, men have to do more than earn a paycheck to keep marriage going, etc. (not that there's anything wrong with 50s, worker+provider model...its just not what's curren in most strata of society now).

I dunno...I think, personally, that we're going into an age when more men care more about their appearance than ever before. Something like 10% of men in the US dye their hair, mostly to cover gray. Loads of affluent men get Botox and such, and upper class men in some areas even get special "manly" facelifts (pulled tight...but not too tight...lol).

I don't think feminism is the problem. I think its more the economy and an increasingly youth-obsessed culture, plus urbanization, plus a high divorce rate....oh, yeah, and speaking as an ex-gay: I think gay men + the gay community have seriously changed the way society as a whole looks at relationships, personal appearance, etc. Let's call it...The queer-ification of America.

 

[jasonc]

I don't think its a result of feminism, lol...some sociologists have written about stuff like this...men (especially in the US) have long been given conflicting ideas on what constitutes a "real man." Maybe feminism relates to this because women now make their own money, sometimes as much or more than men in their demographic bracket, and so...looks matter more, men have to do more than earn a paycheck to keep marriage going, etc. (not that there's anything wrong with 50s, worker+provider model...its just not what's curren in most strata of society now).

I dunno...I think, personally, that we're going into an age when more men care more about their appearance than ever before. Something like 10% of men in the US dye their hair, mostly to cover gray. Loads of affluent men get Botox and such, and upper class men in some areas even get special "manly" facelifts (pulled tight...but not too tight...lol).

I don't think feminism is the problem. I think its more the economy and an increasingly youth-obsessed culture, plus urbanization, plus a high divorce rate....oh, yeah, and speaking as an ex-gay: I think gay men + the gay community have seriously changed the way society as a whole looks at relationships, personal appearance, etc. Let's call it...The queer-ification of America.

im not saying I agree with metrosexuality but look at the images we have of the pharaohs. that culture while well another topic wasn't all the effimate but well it did tolerate sodomy. but one need not be a sodomite to be that way. I know that in the days of shakespear and before men wore make up.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Hmmmm...the upper classes often tolerate sodomy and effeminacy, amongst other sins. I vaguely recall reading some old school communist commentary on "upper class debauchery" or something like that. Maybe that's one reason our culture is increasingly celebrating morality (not just sexual, either) ? More money, on the whole, so morality goes by the wayside? I dunno...

 

[Lewis]

The lower class do it too, like some of the drug and orgy parties, which goes on a lot and I mean a whole lot.