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Where in the ( ALL THE VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE ) does Jesus say:

I am God? or Worship me?


I want a clear answer and do not preach to me other verses like i am the father are one the the rest of those.

i clearly asked a logical question that is WHERE IT IS?

WHERE DOES JESUS SAY WORSHIP ME
WHERE DOES JESUS SAY ***** I AM GOD *******?



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Where in the ( ALL THE VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE ) does Jesus say:

I am God? or Worship me?


I want a clear answer and do not preach to me other verses like i am the father are one the the rest of those.

i clearly asked a logical question that is WHERE IT IS?

WHERE DOES JESUS SAY WORSHIP ME
WHERE DOES JESUS SAY ***** I AM GOD *******?

Good point.

Many Trinitarians actually feel the same way.

One has commented that Jesus is the SON of God and not God.

In the end it would be wise to admit subordinace to the Wisdom and Grace of Jesus Christ however..... even if you are Islamic!
 
I'd refer you to these passages where Jesus says he is God:

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.

Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."

Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.

Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.

Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.

Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."

Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.

John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."

John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.

John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "Yahweh," which means God.

John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.

Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.



And to here for worshipping Jesus:

Rev. 4:9-11; 5:8,12-14; 7:11-12 - both Jesus and the Father are worshiped. The Greek word for worship is "proskuneo" which always means the worship of God.

Matt. 2:2,11 - the magi who came to see the newborn Jesus came to worship Him.

Matt. 8:2 - a leper came to Jesus and worshiped Him without rebuke.

Matt. 14:33 - the apostles who were in the boat worshiped Jesus without rebuke.

Matt. 28:9 - Jesus' disciples took His feet and worshiped Him without rebuke.

Matt. 28:17 - Jesus' disciples saw Him and then worshiped Him.

Mark 5:6 - the man with the unclean spirit ran to Jesus and worshiped Him.

Luke 1:11 - Mary accepts Elizabeth's declaration "the Mother of my Lord" = the Mother of my God (Elizabeth used the word "Adonai" which means "Lord God").

Luke 24:52 - as Jesus ascended into heaven, the apostles worshiped Him.

John 9:38 - the blind man who was cured by Jesus worshiped Him.

John 20:28 - Jesus accepts Thomas' statement "My Lord and my God!" Literally, "the Lord of me and the God of me!" (in Greek, "Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou").
 
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JM said:
That should do it.
Now where does Jesus get the authority to say it? After all do you automatically assume a car salesman is honest because he wears a lapel pin saying so? Imean you know how kids are they say the darndest things some of which are true and some are not. Where did God ever say here is my son you should worship him as you do me?
 
Actually, most of those quotes are rather misleading:
Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.
When Jesus says to Satan "Do not put the Lord, your God, to the test" he is not speaking of himself. Satan suggests that Jesus leap off the Temple to see if God sends him angels to protect him, and Jesus responds "Do not put God to the test". Nothing here suggests he is refering to himself.
Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."

Again, this proves nothing except that God has given Jesus tremendous authority, the authority to establish God's new laws, as Jesus himself often suggests. Matthew in particular tries to paint Jesus as the new Moses who gives the "New Law", as he has Jesus give this sermon on a "mount", akin to Sinai, as well as other parallels.

Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.

Again, this proves nothing. The title Lord is one of enermous respect, but does not link Jesus to any divine claims. A King would also have been called "Lord". The word Lord is only a substitute for refering to God, used out of respect, because his name was too sacred to say.
Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.

If you read this entire passage, it concludes with: But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...." Then he said to the paralytic, "Get up, take your mat and go home." 7And the man got up and went home. 8When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to men.

The key words being "they praised God who had give such authority to men" Here Jesus is proclaimed to be only that, a man, who has such authority from God.

Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.

Again, this is not a claim to divinity. Jesus has been given a new authority from God, unlike one that has never before been seen, akin to the Son of Man in Daniel's vision. Jesus is here to herald the coming of God's Kingdom, and God has placed him above many laws.

Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.
Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

You will not find any biblical evidence to demonstrate that only God is omnipresent, or that only God can be with you "till the end of the age". Again, Jesus is presented as the Christ, which is to say that he is unlike any other prophet or messenger of God before him. This is not a claim to divinity. Again, refer to the Son of Man prophecy in Daniel.

Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

15One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. 16He threw himself at Jesus' feet and thanked himâ€â€and he was a Samaritan.17Jesus asked, "Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? 18Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?" 19Then he said to him, "Rise and go; your faith has made you well."

The leper came back to praise God, not Jesus, Jesus is the vessel through which this healing occured. It says he threw himself at Jesus' feet and thanked him, that not the same as praising him as God.

Firstly, I will admit that the gospel of John is much more ambigious and there is the possibility of claims to divinity. However, we must also note that this gospel was written last, between 90-120 CE and that it much of it does not reflect the actual sayings of Jesus. It has a variety of radical sayings, prized today by Christianity, that are not present in the other gospels. It seems odd the other gospels didn't feel this material to be worth presenting when today John is the cornerstone of Christian theology.

John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.

Again, he calls God his father. This isn't the same as saying he is God himself. For example, in Matthew or Mark the Roman soldier cries out "Surely this was the Son of God", in the margins it is noted "or a son of God"

Likewise, the first chapter of Revelations calls Jesus the Firstborn son of God, implying that his followers are the sons and daughters born after. This claim does not neccessarily link Jesus to divinity.
 
Peace be upon those who follow guidance,
I start with the name of Almighty G-d, The Most Merciful The Enterly Compassionate, and send blessings on All His Prophets and Messengers.

To Proceed

With the nice and intersting, well put reply above me, I guess we are left to see that Biblically Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him and those who truly follow him, did not claim to be Almighty G-d.
 
EesaAbdullah said:
Peace be upon those who follow guidance,
I start with the name of Almighty G-d, The Most Merciful The Enterly Compassionate, and send blessings on All His Prophets and Messengers.

To Proceed

With the nice and intersting, well put reply above me, I guess we are left to see that Biblically Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him and those who truly follow him, did not claim to be Almighty G-d.

The Bible is about the reason for CHRIST, the linage of CHRIST, salvation through CHRIST, and the future return of CHRIST. If CHRIST is not GOD, I do know who else HE could possibly be.
 
Re: where

reznwerks said:
JM said:
That should do it.
Now where does Jesus get the authority to say it? After all do you automatically assume a car salesman is honest because he wears a lapel pin saying so? Imean you know how kids are they say the darndest things some of which are true and some are not. Where did God ever say here is my son you should worship him as you do me?

C.S. Lewis:
"Among the Jews there suddenly turns up a man who goes about talking as if He were God. He claims to forgive sins. He says He has always existed. He says He is coming to judge the world at the end of time. Now let us get this clear. Among pantheists, like the Hindus of India, anyone might say that he is part of god or one with god. There would be nothing very odd about that. But this man, since He was a Jew, could not mean that kind of God. God in their language meant the Being outside of the world who had made it and was infinitely different than anything else. And when you have grasped that concept you will see that what this man said was quite simply, the most shocking thing that has ever been uttered by human lips."
 
ttg said:
I'd refer you to these passages where Jesus says he is God:

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.

Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."

Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.

Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.

Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.

Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."

Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.

John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."

John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.

John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "Yahweh," which means God.

John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.

Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.



And to here for worshipping Jesus:

Rev. 4:9-11; 5:8,12-14; 7:11-12 - both Jesus and the Father are worshiped. The Greek word for worship is "proskuneo" which always means the worship of God.

Matt. 2:2,11 - the magi who came to see the newborn Jesus came to worship Him.

Matt. 8:2 - a leper came to Jesus and worshiped Him without rebuke.

Matt. 14:33 - the apostles who were in the boat worshiped Jesus without rebuke.

Matt. 28:9 - Jesus' disciples took His feet and worshiped Him without rebuke.

Matt. 28:17 - Jesus' disciples saw Him and then worshiped Him.

Mark 5:6 - the man with the unclean spirit ran to Jesus and worshiped Him.

Luke 1:11 - Mary accepts Elizabeth's declaration "the Mother of my Lord" = the Mother of my God (Elizabeth used the word "Adonai" which means "Lord God").

Luke 24:52 - as Jesus ascended into heaven, the apostles worshiped Him.

John 9:38 - the blind man who was cured by Jesus worshiped Him.

John 20:28 - Jesus accepts Thomas' statement "My Lord and my God!" Literally, "the Lord of me and the God of me!" (in Greek, "Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou").


AMEN
 
LittleNipper said:
The Bible is about the reason for CHRIST, the linage of CHRIST, salvation through CHRIST, and the future return of CHRIST. If CHRIST is not GOD, I do know who else HE could possibly be.
Jesus(pbuh) was a man sent from God to the Jews who were misguided because the Torah had been altered. He was sent there to revive the teachings of Moses(pbuh) and bring the Jews a new Holy Scripture.
 
Halal said:
LittleNipper said:
The Bible is about the reason for CHRIST, the linage of CHRIST, salvation through CHRIST, and the future return of CHRIST. If CHRIST is not GOD, I do know who else HE could possibly be.
Jesus(pbuh) was a man sent from God to the Jews who were misguided because the Torah had been altered. He was sent there to revive the teachings of Moses(pbuh) and bring the Jews a new Holy Scripture.


Which Jesus are you talking about?
The Created JESUS or
God Jesus?
 
Im talking about Jesus son of Mary(pbut), the prophet sent by God a little more than 2000 years ago. Who else would I be talking about?
 
Halal said:
Im talking about Jesus son of Mary(pbut), the prophet sent by God a little more than 2000 years ago. Who else would I be talking about?

Hala
I have never heard of Jesus the prophet unless your talking about the Jesus of ISLAM.

You see Hala there are a few people on this board who preach of Another jesus.
A) There is the created jesus that JW, MORMONS, UNITARIANS, cHRISTIAN SCIENCE, ETC teach

B)Then there is the jesus of Mysticsm / new age. / everybody is saved / made up

C)Then there is the ONE TRUE LIVING TRIUNE GOD. The GOD of Abraham Issac and Jacob. The God who can forgive sins, the God who said it is finished, The one one who is worthy to be praised, worshiped and glorified. I am talking about JESUS.

D) The Jesus of ISLAM

E) None of the above

So again whicH Jesus are you refering to Jesus A, B, C, D or E ???
 
jgredline wrote,
I have never heard of Jesus the prophet unless your talking about the Jesus of ISLAM.
So they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.†(Matthew 13:56).

And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, “Who is this?†11 So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.†(Matthew 21:10-11).

And He said to them, “What things?†So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people (Matthew 24:19).

For Jesus Himself testified that a prophet has no honor in his own country (John 4:44).

Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.†(John 6:14).

If you do not know the Christ, the son of the Living God, then you will not know he was a prophet sent by God. Therefore it is indeed you who must be asked, €œWhich Jesus are you talking about?â€Â

R7-12
 
jgredline said:
I have never heard of Jesus the prophet unless your talking about the Jesus of ISLAM.
So they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.†(Matthew 13:56).

And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, “Who is this?†11 So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.†(Matthew 21:10-11).

And He said to them, “What things?†So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people (Matthew 24:19).

For Jesus Himself testified that a prophet has no honor in his own country (John 4:44).

Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.†(John 6:14).

If you do not know the Christ, the son of the Living God, then you will not know he was a prophet sent by God. Therefore it is indeed you who must be asked, “Which Jesus are you talking about?â€Â

jgredline said:
R7
Good one. I was wondering if anybody would catch that. :-D

Oh jgredline, you're so decptive, clever, and cunning! Why looky here: a trinity within yourself. What a card, what a joker, what a clown! 8-)

And so honest too. :o

R7-12
 
R7-12 said:
jgredline said:
I have never heard of Jesus the prophet unless your talking about the Jesus of ISLAM.
So they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.†(Matthew 13:56).

And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, “Who is this?†11 So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.†(Matthew 21:10-11).

And He said to them, “What things?†So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people (Matthew 24:19).

For Jesus Himself testified that a prophet has no honor in his own country (John 4:44).

Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.†(John 6:14).

If you do not know the Christ, the son of the Living God, then you will not know he was a prophet sent by God. Therefore it is indeed you who must be asked, “Which Jesus are you talking about?â€Â

jgredline said:
R7
Good one. I was wondering if anybody would catch that. :-D

Oh jgredline, you're so decptive, clever, and cunning! Why looky here: a trinity within yourself. What a card, what a joker, what a clown! 8-)

And so honest too. :o

R7-12

Thank you R7
Coming from you it means the world to me :-D
 
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