Where is the 'Mark' to be gotten??

[Elijah674]

We all have a brain to think with.
All hell (term) is now breaking LOOSE!
We got to get the Lords attention!
SO: What comes next? (and we are all professed Christian's!)

The above...are you referring to this below??

And most all will say ‘we have no king but Caesar’ as recorded by their lives lived. (and with all of hell breaking loose these ones of Matt. 24:21 will do anything to satisfy a ‘g’od, except repent)

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

I would think that many would be making a final decision on whom they will choose to serve and worship for that matter.

This 'should' occupy all of the people minds! Not how to escape what is coming upon the earth!
But why it was allowed by God to take place. Isa. 5 gives the reason...

[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, [[betwixt me and my vineyard.]]

[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
[5] And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
[6] And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
[7] For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the [[house of Israel,]] and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.
[8] Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!
[9] In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant.

And who was these ones first love?? John 12:41-42 tells the accurate tale...

[42] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
[43] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
(and today it is different?)

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Here is one more scripture to consider, the image in Daniel of the great man of metals, it's an image of a single man but it's a symbol for a great collective work of humankind. I tend to believe that all of these symbols(beasts, image, babylon) of Revelation are also collectives created by people. The same way believers become part of the body od Christ.

Digging

Very good! Now this great image had TWO LEGS, for papal & then paganism. And which one has direct orders from God, claimed? But the real interest is in what comes next on the agenda?

Daniel 2
[28] But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
[29] As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
[30] But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
[31] Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
[32] This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
[33] His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
[34] Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
[35] Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
[36] This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
[37] Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
[38] And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
[39] And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
[40] And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
[41] And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
[42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
[43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
[44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

And then Daniel 7 with a 'lot' more light... (but do read the previous verses! +ten toes)

[13] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
[14] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Then comes Rev. 13's conclusion with John looking in hindsight! (check out verse 6)

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, hidden under veil of flesh"
-The Catholic National, July' 1895

--Elijah

 

[Brother Mike]

Ya, I am pretty sure Wal-Mart will have a special on Mark of the beast when the time comes. It will be in the children paint section or possibly the electronics section. Looking at Revelation and reading some it appears there will be a very long line to get this mark so I think it's best to do one of those camp over night things in case they run out to be first in line.

Mike.

 

[Elijah674]

Ya, I am pretty sure Wal-Mart will have a special on Mark of the beast when the time comes. It will be in the children paint section or possibly the electronics section. Looking at Revelation and reading some it appears there will be a very long line to get this mark so I think it's best to do one of those camp over night things in case they run out to be first in line.

Mike.

Reba: This is full of sarcasm & is off topic is it not?

--Elijah

 

[Brother Mike]

Reba: This is full of sarcasm & is off topic is it not?

--Elijah

Not any more than the theory about some old guy called the pope. Speculation is all that is. Wal-Mart is a far more credible answer. Wal-Mart has pull, the Pope and Catholic movement is dead and old tired theory anyway. As if the Roman Church could pull off something like that...

Mike.

 

[Elijah674]

Reba: This is full of sarcasm & is off topic is it not?

--Elijah

Not any more than the theory about some old guy called the pope. Speculation is all that is. Wal-Mart is a far more credible answer. Wal-Mart has pull, the Pope and Catholic movement is dead and old tired theory anyway. As if the Roman Church could pull off something like that...

Mike.

Almost all keep their {ROMES} Sunday for the 7th. Day Blessed of God for Holy use. And it is stated that God ordained it. (and if collaboration is needed, let me know?)

And what is now needed is just what is taking place from Matt. 24:21 on! (that IS where we are going! yes.. prophetic!) So just keep tuned in & forget the wise/cracks ok, & attempted derailments? And you will know soon enough.

--Elijah

 

[Brother Mike]

And what is now needed is just what is taking place from Matt. 24:21 on! (that IS where we are going! yes.. prophetic!) So just keep tuned in & forget the wise/cracks ok, & attempted derailments? And you will know soon enough.

It was what? 1990's that someone had me count words in the KJV, to prove this Roman Catholic connection, the part about the Mother harlot in bold letters, it came out to a certain number that matched something else. The white horse rider (AC) who went to conquerer with a bow............... Pope drives a white pope mobile and his cross is bowed....... I really bought into it. I think there is though a time to grow up spiritually and I can't see how you think the Roman Catholic church would have any pull or reasoning with anyone to be a part of any mark.

Wise Cracks? We have a mark that possibly might be distributed world wide, possibly if things are not centralized in Europe and that would need some type of distribution and right now Wal-Mart has more pull on suppliers and manufacturers than any other company in the world.

I think you need to really examine this Rome angle, because it's old, dated and right up there with Hal Lindsay and the rest, trying to figure out things for the now that would not make sense.

If this Mark is in any way distributed electronically (providing the trumpets are after as that will take power and networks to be functioning) I don't think it's a very far fetch to see something available in common markets.

Mike.

 

[reba]

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Who gave some anitchrist a crown? What had he conquered to gain a crown?

Seems to me it is Jesus who rides the white horse and has a bow
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Hab 3:8 Was the LORD displeased against the rivers? was thine anger against the rivers? was thy wrath against the sea, that thou didst ride upon thine horses and thy chariots of salvation?
Hab 3:9 Thy bow was made quite naked, according to the oaths of the tribes, even thy word. Selah. Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.
Hab 3:10 The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, and lifted up his hands on high.
Hab 3:11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

 

[n2thelight]

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Who gave some anitchrist a crown? What had he conquered to gain a crown?

Seems to me it is Jesus who rides the white horse and has a bow
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Hab 3:8 Was the LORD displeased against the rivers? was thine anger against the rivers? was thy wrath against the sea, that thou didst ride upon thine horses and thy chariots of salvation?
Hab 3:9 Thy bow was made quite naked, according to the oaths of the tribes, even thy word. Selah. Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.
Hab 3:10 The mountains saw thee, and they trembled: the overflowing of the water passed by: the deep uttered his voice, and lifted up his hands on high.
Hab 3:11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

The rider of the white horse in verse 6:2 is not the same one as 19:11.....The first is satan as he comes to earth pretending to be Christ.....

 

[n2thelight]

Revelation 6:2 "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

This one who rode on the white horse had a bow, but without arrows. He had the authority, but not the strength to back up his authority. What strength that he did have, was through deception. The rider of the white horse is Satan, in the role of the Antichrist. Satan will come first as the fake Christ, the Antichrist; and he will ride and conquer the people of the entire earth.

This first seal we will see in detail in the ninth chapter. It takes place after the fifth trumpet sounds, Satan is the first morning star to come. This event will catch many Christians off-guard, for many tie themselves to the '"rapture doctrine", and will worship the Antichrist as the true Christ, in ignorance. This is why the rapture doctrine is so dangerous, for it ties its followers to the first Christ to come, who is the Antichrist.

The rider of this white horse is not the rider of the white horse who comes with a rainbow around his head, and a rainbow around the throne he leaves. This "bow" in the Greek is a cheap fabric, or imitation, In the Greek it's called "toxon". His grandeur will be cheap, yet convincing all of those who are looking for the rider of the "first horse" to fly them out of here. The Antichrist will offer them all they desire in fulfilling their wishes.

Word References:
"bow" - 5115 toxon (tox'-on); from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric): KJV-- bow.

In the nineteenth chapter we will see the true Christ coming in all his glory, and then this first rider of the white horse will go to the pit. The first rider of the white horse does not come in war, for no arrows are mentioned; but in religious peace. This is important to remember, for it could bring about your downfall through deception.

Five of the seven churches of Revelation chapters two and three, God found fault with because they were minus the "key of David". They accepted false teaching, and did not know the Word of God. Those churches will accept the false messiah, for Satan will come with his supernatural powers, his bag of tricks, and promises to win over anyone not grounded in God's Word.

Study written by

Roger Christopherson

 

[reba]

If the rider is satan who gave him the crown? This is the vision God gave to John why would God give a crown ( they imply victory i believe) to satan?

 

[Elijah674]

satan has a 'broad' way following him. And these ones are all professing Christians. The last church is seen in Rev. 17:1-5 with all daughters lost who stay yoked in membership. So we see a Rev. 18:4 verse. (and the Lord has indeed permitted this free choice of which of the [only two] do indeed LOVE! Matt. 6:24)

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

In 1 Kings 22:19-22 we see God permitting satan to do something that we might call in question? Yet it was a free choice that was seen in the Lords for/knowledge that was made! Yet the Lord gets raked all over the place by ones that teach that one has no free choice. In other words the lost are created to be such.

Here is 1 Kings 22:20-23

[20] And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
[21] And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
[22] And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
[23] Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

I have highlighted some for one to see the bottom line??

--Elijah