Which is more imortant religion or your soul?

[soma]

"What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole word, and lose his own soul?"â€â€Mark 8:36.

The soul is not the body. The soul is not the mind.

When your body dies your soul (YOU) will leave the body of flesh:

"And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."
(Genesis 35:18 KJV)

It seems you are confused as to what the soul is so what you say is misleading. It is not the body.

 

[mutzrein]

"What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole word, and lose his own soul?"â€â€Mark 8:36.

The soul is not the body. The soul is not the mind.

When your body dies your soul (YOU) will leave the body of flesh:

"And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."
(Genesis 35:18 KJV)

It seems you are confused as to what the soul is so what you say is misleading. It is not the body.

I didn't say it was the body. I didn't say it was the mind.

I said it was of the flesh (body) - which means when the body dies the soul is no more. It is only the spirit - since it is the spirit that gives eternal life that can live eternally.

Your scriptures don't add anything. They just mean:
It profits nothing if a man gains the whole world and then dies.
As she was dying she called his name Benoni . . .

Regards

 

[soma]

I didn't say it was the body. I didn't say it was the mind.

I said it was of the flesh (body)

I said it was of the flesh (body) My arm is of the body. Oh it is my body. My leg is of the body. Oh it is the body. You are confused. This is the only thing you said about this in this thread, which shows you don't know what you are talking about. Are we going to debate what is is.

 

[Drew]

Greetings all:

I will state my views on the matter with minimal if any support. That can be provided later if anyone is interested.

I believe that a human being is a monistic entity (of only one "substance"). The words "soul" and "spirit" refer to certains functions and phenomenology (felt experiences), not to distinct immaterial "things" or substances. Despite what I have just said, sometimes the word "soul" (in the Bible) refers to the "whole person", not just a certain set of functions/phenomenology. There is no "soul" that exists independent of the body, there is no "spirit" that exists independent of the body. We are of one substance, not three. This view, despite what one may think, can indeed be made to "work" with notions of eternal life - I am not adopting a "once you're dead, you're gone forever" position.

I beleive that the "duality" of soul and body is an idea that we have adopted from the Greeks. That does not make it wrong, but it is important to point out the writers of the scriptures were from another culture altogether. I am no historian, and am taking other people's word for this, but I believe the Hebrew culture did not believe in the notion that humans had immaterial components that were of a different substance than the body.

 

[soma]

John 3:6, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

Many people think they are their body period and are completely unaware of the spirit or the soul. I read where the soul makes you want to dance and the spirit makes you want to fly. Some people are against dancing much less flying so they will have to open the wings in their mind so they can fall into the soul.

 

[hybrid]

When some Christians don't know something, are afraid or confused, they always say it is New Age, TM, the devil or the boogie man. We are talking about the soul, if you don't understand then read, think and be open. The soul walks with God so don't be afraid. How do you get TM from left field? That is a whole other thread, which you could start. This is about soul.

if you are talking to me, i got the idea from the choice of words you are using to describe something about the soul.

the soul is you and you are playing with fire!

the soul is the person. when the person died, his body return to dust, the spirit that gives life to the soul go back to god and THEREFORE the soul (the person) is dead. flat n the screen, black-out. cease to exist. no life.

on the second coming, christ will ressurect the dead in christ. the first ressurection.

on the second ressurection, all will be make alive again to face the judgment seat. those who are in christ (who avail the amnesty program of god thru the blood of the lamp) are pardoned and ergo exemtped from being judged.

if the soul survived death as you say, what is the point of jesus returning to make chrisitians ALIVE AGAIN (resurrected)? huh?

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[mutzrein]

I didn't say it was the body. I didn't say it was the mind.

I said it was of the flesh (body)

I said it was of the flesh (body) My arm is of the body. Oh it is my body. My leg is of the body. Oh it is the body. You are confused. This is the only thing you said about this in this thread, which shows you don't know what you are talking about. Are we going to debate what is is.

The soul is of the flesh (the body) just as much as an arm or a leg is. When the flesh (body) dies so does everything that is of the flesh. Your arms are no more. Your legs are no more. Your soul is no more.

The spirit is completely different.

You quote "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." and yet fail to see that the soul is of the flesh and the spirit is of the Spirit.

It matters not to me whether by your estimation I am ignorant. If God wants to reveal something to me that I need to know, He will. And if you can't see what I am talking about then don't worry about it. It probably wasn't meant for you.

Regards

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

“Which is more im[p]ortant religion or your soul?â€Â

Well I think that is the wrong question. The question is whether or not one has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Once one has that the rest really does not matter. Leave the soul saving to God and concentrate on fulfilling the Great Commission (Evangelizing or Witnessing to the Lost).

 

[soma]

I like your question we should start a new thread with that.


101 Things Everyone Should Know About Judaism]. On the soul it says:

"The idea of a soul (neshanah in Hebrew) is fundamental to Judaism, which sees the soul as eternal...The lowest constituent of the soul is nefesh, and it is the soul's most physical aspect. In ascending order, the soul's other, more spiritual elements are ruach, neshamah, chayah, and yechidah. To refer to all five you can use the term narachai. After a person dies, that persons naranchai will desire to leave the physical bosdy. If the person has led a spiriaurl life, this desire will be fulfilled. However, the naranchai of those who were focused on the material aspect of the world may remain rooted in the physical. It gets more complex but the point is there is a soul within each of us. To what extent it reaches the spiritual distination depends upon how we live our lives."

So your soul is more physical if you are rooted in the physical world and more spiritual if rooted in the spiritual. I agree if you walk with Christ you don't have to worry about the soul, new age or anything else except your relationship with Jesus.

 

[cj]

As I have stated to you before soma, you cannot divorce spirituality from theology and doctrine, not in Christianity anyway. The moment you do, your spirituality becomes next to useless.

Au contraire Free, what you said above is the complet opposite of what the scriptures declare.

God breathed His breath into Adam and he became a living soul.

No doctrine and theology there I glad to say, just the breath of God the Spirit.


But you are right in saying that in Christianity, which is to say, not in Christ (for Christianity is a manmade religious endeavor and thus not of Christ), theology, doctrine, and spirituality go hand-in-hand. Unfortunately the "spirituality" that we are speaking of in this case is not of God.


Now, before you get all of of joint regarding my words against this Christianity thing, I am in no way saying that born-again believers cannot be found in Christianity. What I am saying is that they are holding to something that has added "ianity" to the precious Name of Christ. Something that was and is unnecessary.


In love,
cj

 

[Imagican]

I think that everyone here, (almost), has agreed that the 'soul' is MUCH more important than 'religion'.

I equate the word 'religion' to 'trust me', (he he he). Religion is nothing more than men's beliefs and ritual. With this in mind, ANYTHING can be 'religion'.

As stated previous, a personal relationship with the Father through His Son is to be preferred above ANY religion. Of course there are many that have been led to believe that religion is to be preferred and there are many pastors that would shudder to hear these words, but the 'truth' is the 'truth' regardless of the teachings of men.

The word 'religion' is used only five times in the entire Bible. The word 'religious' two. This should be a pretty good indication as to it's importance.

 

[soma]

Amen, Good post.

 

[mutzrein]

Amen, Good post.

And I agree too.

 

[Bick]

What is more important, religion or your soul?

While this topic is being discussed in great lengths on another thread in this forum, I would like to enter this discussion.

Even if I repeat what others have said, I feel I must lay a foundation from the Scriptures, not from our feelings, or philosophy.

The key is stated in Gen.2:7, "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." AV

Notice: A separate soul was not joined to a prepared body to give it life.

Man BECAME A LIVING SOUL when the breath of the spirit of life was breathed into his nostrils.

Gendou Ikari, you did quite a job with the list you posted, where translators used many different words for 'nephesh' instead of 'soul'. IMO, if 'soul' had been used in every case, there would be less confusion. As it is, a person must use a concordance to see where 'nephesh' was the word in the Hebrew.

'Soul' is not exclusive to mankind. There are many passages that refer to creatures of the sea, to land animals, and to flying creatures as living souls, and having a soul. See: Gen.1:20,21,24; 2:19, 9:3,4, 8-10, 12, etc.

Studying verses concerning man's soul:

Many times man is called a 'soul' in the scriptures:

Gen.12:5 "Abram took his wife....and the souls they had gotten in Harran."
Gen.46:26 "All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt..."
Exod.12:4 "....take it according to the number of souls..."
Acts 2:41 "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day were added...about three thousand souls."
Acts 2:43 "And fear came upon every soul..." See also: Acts 7:14; 27:37; Rom.2:9; 13:1; 1 Cor. 15:45, etc.

Many times the soul is said to die or be dead:

Lev.24:17 "And he that killeth any man (soul) shall surely be put to death."
Num.23:10 "Let me (my soul) die the death of the righteous."
Josh.10:28 "...Joshua took Makkedah and smote it with the edge of the sword and the king thereof....and all the souls therein."
Josh.10:30 "Israel...smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls.."
Judg.16:30 "And Somson said, Let my soul die with the Philistines."
Job 36:14 "Their soul dies in yoth."

The soul can be destroyed:

Lev.23:30 "Whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that some day, the same soul will I destroy from among the people."
Ezek.22:27 "Her princes....are like wolves....to shed blood, to destroy souls"
Acts 3:23 "And if shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people."

The soul can be smitten to death and killed: See Deut.19:11; Josh.11:11;
Num.31:19, etc.

The soul is said to desire, lusteth after food and drink:

Deut.12:15,20,21 "...thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.."; "I will eat flesh because thy soul longeth to eat flesh.."; "..and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after." etc.

SOUL could be said to be the consciousness, the feelings, the desires, produced by the breath of life vitalizing the body. It will be seen from scripture that knowledge, memory, thought, love, joy, delight, bitterness, distress, impatience, mourning, sorrow, grief, abhorrence and hatred are related to the soul.

Since the soul is the feelings, the desires, the consciousness of man, when he dies they just disapppear. The Bible says the soul 'goes to Hades', which means 'goes to the unseen'; 'unseen being the literal meaning of 'Hades'.

If you have ever been mystified by Acts 2:27, you're not alone. When, as a teen-ager and a new Christian, I could not understand why Christ, after suffering on the cross, was put in Hell, a place of fire and punishment. That's what it says in the AV, and in the Westminster Confession.
"Thou wil not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." These verses are quoting Psa.16:10, where the NIV reads, "...thou will not abandon me to the grave", where 'grave' is 'sheol' in the Hebrew. And the NIV in Acts2:27 says, "...you will not abandon me to the grave."

To conclude: Being living souls, made of the dust, the earth, Paul explains to us in 1 Cor.15:35-50, using 'soul' where it is in the originals: that this body must die to bring forth a new and glorious body in the resurrection of the Church/Body of Christ. Verse 44 reads, "It is sown a soulish body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a soulish body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, 'The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last man Adam a quickening spirit.' Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is soulish; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."

God bless for now, Bick

 

[Hawkins]

Just out of curiosity, how this can be explained,


Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell