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Hi, i'm very confused on the subject of christianity. There are many sects and denominations in this religion, and i feel each one has their own errors. My mother and her family side is straight up roman catholic, while in my fathers side is straight up protestant baptist. I participate on both churches.
Catholicism
Anyway. My biblical point of view is almost similar to that of the roman catholic, they are more parallel to the original christians in the way they worship. Tradition! Whats wrong of protestants (imo) is the lack of traditions, w/c is something ordered by paul in his books. i believe that the doctrines of purgatory and justification. Justification is probably the most confusing subject to understand because catholics say faith and works (and they give their biblical evidence) while protestant say through faith alone (and they give their biblical evidence). Both have even points. I also sorta agree with the immaculate conception. It seems biblical illogical to me for anyone to say that mary ISN'T the mother of God and that she was free from original sin.
protestantism
while i agree more with the biblical point of view of catholics, i can't really accept their doctrines too much. I believe that now 60% of the doctrines in catholicsm have been corrupted; and it has to be known fact that allot of their doctrines go against scripture. From my knowledge... 1 of the main claims that the Catholics use against protestants is that they were the first church. I don't think this is entirely true. I believe the 1st/original church was the church of the Messianic Jews. I think, that when christianity started spreading and managed to win over rome is when catholicism was actually born. Either it was born in Rome or this is when it was getting corrupted. It seems to me, that the romans merged some of their beliefs and traditions with the christian faith. Adding new doctrines and allowing somethings (that the word of God was against) just for the sake of winning over the locals and the roman empire. I guess they had no other option at the time because of the harsh persecutions and prejudice the Romans had towards things outside their culture. This is who symbols and images got into the picture. If you notice most of the catholic images are very similiar to the baal faith (sun worship). From what i know, the lord forbids images. Because of this fact, allot of the things with in the catholic practices/faith is equivalent to idolization. Take a look how they treat the Pope; while i don't see anything wrong with having a representative of God. I think they go way to far on his image AND HIS ROLE. It seems as if they treat him as a pharaoh. More to idolatry is with the subject of mary and the saints. I understand their point of view that regardless of them being dead they are still alive (spiritually) and they are still part of the church. Ok. But prayers towards them is going too far. While i believe that Mary is the mother of God (since jesus is God) and while i accept that she was free of original sin, i find "the hail mary's" to be wrong. In churches and in prayer, everything should be dedicated to God and no one else. The "hail mary" is strictly dedicated to her and this is She is the mother of God, she was free of original sin... OK! Thats it. That's all we need to acknowledge about her, and it's not a need to add her in part of our faith and how we reach God. Sometimes, during mass or any important time (such as memorials, funerals) the verse In Luke 1:26-56 is recieted, w/c is the hail mary. And the Bible shows that this was not a prayer instructed but an address by the Angel Gabriel. No where in the bible do you see the apostles repeating what the angel said to mary in their times of worship so i don't understand why Catholics recite an angelic address and use it as prayer. So obviously, this was a doctrine made after the New testament was published. The way mary and the saints are being treated is of roman influenced and it isn't christian tradition. " You pray to St Joseph he is the patron of workers; you pray to saint michael, etc.. Through out time, catholicism have also given additional titles such (crystal fountain of faith, the heroine of faith etc). That's going to far. Their roles are said and done in the New testament, their is no need to honor them that way especially in church where it is God only that is given honor. Us Catholics need to admit that the majority of our traditions and our practices are out of biblical tradition. Most of our practices are roman-pagan influenced w/c is why it was so easy for atheists to attack us with Zeitgeist.
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So to sum up that long post, i am very confused to w/c is the true christian faith. I belive Catholicism is corrupted and i also believe protestantism takes the bible out of context and don't follow biblical tradition with exception of baptism.
Catholicism
Anyway. My biblical point of view is almost similar to that of the roman catholic, they are more parallel to the original christians in the way they worship. Tradition! Whats wrong of protestants (imo) is the lack of traditions, w/c is something ordered by paul in his books. i believe that the doctrines of purgatory and justification. Justification is probably the most confusing subject to understand because catholics say faith and works (and they give their biblical evidence) while protestant say through faith alone (and they give their biblical evidence). Both have even points. I also sorta agree with the immaculate conception. It seems biblical illogical to me for anyone to say that mary ISN'T the mother of God and that she was free from original sin.
protestantism
while i agree more with the biblical point of view of catholics, i can't really accept their doctrines too much. I believe that now 60% of the doctrines in catholicsm have been corrupted; and it has to be known fact that allot of their doctrines go against scripture. From my knowledge... 1 of the main claims that the Catholics use against protestants is that they were the first church. I don't think this is entirely true. I believe the 1st/original church was the church of the Messianic Jews. I think, that when christianity started spreading and managed to win over rome is when catholicism was actually born. Either it was born in Rome or this is when it was getting corrupted. It seems to me, that the romans merged some of their beliefs and traditions with the christian faith. Adding new doctrines and allowing somethings (that the word of God was against) just for the sake of winning over the locals and the roman empire. I guess they had no other option at the time because of the harsh persecutions and prejudice the Romans had towards things outside their culture. This is who symbols and images got into the picture. If you notice most of the catholic images are very similiar to the baal faith (sun worship). From what i know, the lord forbids images. Because of this fact, allot of the things with in the catholic practices/faith is equivalent to idolization. Take a look how they treat the Pope; while i don't see anything wrong with having a representative of God. I think they go way to far on his image AND HIS ROLE. It seems as if they treat him as a pharaoh. More to idolatry is with the subject of mary and the saints. I understand their point of view that regardless of them being dead they are still alive (spiritually) and they are still part of the church. Ok. But prayers towards them is going too far. While i believe that Mary is the mother of God (since jesus is God) and while i accept that she was free of original sin, i find "the hail mary's" to be wrong. In churches and in prayer, everything should be dedicated to God and no one else. The "hail mary" is strictly dedicated to her and this is She is the mother of God, she was free of original sin... OK! Thats it. That's all we need to acknowledge about her, and it's not a need to add her in part of our faith and how we reach God. Sometimes, during mass or any important time (such as memorials, funerals) the verse In Luke 1:26-56 is recieted, w/c is the hail mary. And the Bible shows that this was not a prayer instructed but an address by the Angel Gabriel. No where in the bible do you see the apostles repeating what the angel said to mary in their times of worship so i don't understand why Catholics recite an angelic address and use it as prayer. So obviously, this was a doctrine made after the New testament was published. The way mary and the saints are being treated is of roman influenced and it isn't christian tradition. " You pray to St Joseph he is the patron of workers; you pray to saint michael, etc.. Through out time, catholicism have also given additional titles such (crystal fountain of faith, the heroine of faith etc). That's going to far. Their roles are said and done in the New testament, their is no need to honor them that way especially in church where it is God only that is given honor. Us Catholics need to admit that the majority of our traditions and our practices are out of biblical tradition. Most of our practices are roman-pagan influenced w/c is why it was so easy for atheists to attack us with Zeitgeist.
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So to sum up that long post, i am very confused to w/c is the true christian faith. I belive Catholicism is corrupted and i also believe protestantism takes the bible out of context and don't follow biblical tradition with exception of baptism.
