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Which Spirit is IN CONTROL of a person??

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John 3
[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

So some do & most do not have the Holy Spirit. But.. that of another 'e'vil spirit wanting total control over him. (see Gen. 4:7)

Man was created perfect (VERY GOOD) as Adam was at his creation until sin. From that time forward ALL OF MANKIND NEEDED TO BE BORN [[AGAIN]] from being carnal to back to being SPIRITUAL.

There are just two spirit to control all of mankind. We see in Eccl.3 that even animals have the [exact same breath as mankind].

[17] I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

[18] I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

[19] For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, [[they have all one breath;]] so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

[20] All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

[21] Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

IF mankind + womankind have the Holy Spirit in the first place! Again Acts 5:32 which is given [only to them that surrender the stubborn will back to God!]
And as one lady on another site says correctly perhaps? most do not do so because of their PRIDE!
But in Acts 9 we find the Eternal Condition that has to be made...
Acts 9

[1] And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
[2] And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

[3] And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the ...banned word deleted here...s.
(see Gen. 6:3 for the ...banned word deleted here...s that most fight against!!

OK: Now NOTE WHAT HE WAS REQUIRED TO DO & WHY WAS THAT SO?)

[6] And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

And most know no more what this is all about than did Nicodemus who was even a ruler of the Jews! Whatever?? Perhaps later???

And the thought?? Did Saul have a carnal 's'pirit in control of him before verse 6? And the question about what Christ REQUIRED came also in verse 6!
And did Saul follow the Lord's CONDITIONAL REQUIREMENT of not?
And what Holy Spirit was Saul 'KICKING AGAINST'???

And again, there are just TWO 'SPIRITS' either IN or out of mankind.. and even one posses livestock! Luke 8

[27] And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
[28] When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
[29] (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
[30] And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
[31] And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
[32] And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
[33] Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

And the Saving REQUIRED one is the Holy pirit who goes back to heaven at the saved ones death until their first resurection!

--Elijah


















































 
I really do like what you say. I had always thought you were an advocate for the noun free will as an absolute. But here you display a recognition that there are powers of Light and dark that control people.
 
I really do like what you say. I had always thought you were an advocate for the noun free will as an absolute. But here you display a recognition that there are powers of Light and dark that control people.

Seems that there are just two ways to go huh! Matt. 6:24 was already posted up!
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And 2 cor. 4:2??
[1] Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
[2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
[3] But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:


So only you as one human, know where your post fits in??
 
Seems that there are just two ways to go huh! Matt. 6:24 was already posted up!
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And 2 cor. 4:2??
[1] Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
[2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
[3] But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:


So only you as one human, know where your post fits in??
My post fits with acknowledging that Light is the only power and lies only usurp the Truth. Armed with this knowledge the Truth is that God would sacrifice himself to save others and the lies would have us believe that God would sacrifice others to save himself. That is the choice made clear in the Christ, so as to combat the lie made in the Garden of Eden.. I of course believe in the Christ not the lie.
 
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My post fits with acknowledging that Light is the only power and lies only usurp the Truth. Armed with this knowledge the Truth is that God would sacrifice himself to save others and the lies would have us believe that God would sacrifice others to save himself. That is the choice made clear in the Christ, so as to combat the lie made in the Garden of Eden.. I of course believe in the Christ not the lie.

Like I said I do not have any idea of what is in your head. But God has accurate records of even ones thoughts.
Eccl. 12
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
Like I said I do not have any idea of what is in your head. But God has accurate records of even ones thoughts.
Eccl. 12
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
I'm sorry you don't understand me. When is anyone ever anywhere where God does not see what one does? And I'm glad because of how utterly alone I would be without God, right here with me and His rod comforts me. Do you understand that? And why would I want to ever disobey His commanments? Of course He will judge it, and I am glad that He will do so, for He is Righteous and Trustworthy. Is that not what you see at the cross, a man who would die for the wickedness of men? And if we are like him, wouldn't we also do as him?
 
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I'm sorry you don't understand me. When is anyone ever anywhere where God does not see what one does? And I'm glad because of how utterly alone I would be without God, right here with me and His rod comforts me. Do you understand that? And why would I want to ever disobey His commanments? Of course He will judge it, and I am glad that He will do so, for He is Righteous and Trustworthy. Is that not what you see at the cross, a man who would die for the wickedness of men? And if we are like him, wouldn't we also do as him?

Again, the [post] misses my posted point completely. The question is not about God, but what is in [[MANKINDS]] heart + mind! The mind is free to choose one of the two, the SPIRIT or the 's'pirit. And which ever one mankind chooses is his free choice to make. Compare 1 Kings 21:17-23 & the Rev. 17:1-5 ones of today!

And again, Matt. 6...

[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. ..'

And again. Matt. 23 has only a True profession being made there. And NO ONE from this end can read anothers heart.

Matt. 23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that [[observe and do]]; but do not ye after [[their works]]: [[for they say, and do not]].

+ the supreme free/choice is seen in Isa. 5

[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt [[me and my vineyard]].

Two Spirits STRIVING, and mankind yields to just one or the other by his own God Given in His Image free choice.

1 Kings 22

[16] And the king said unto him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou tell me nothing but that which is true in the name of the LORD?
[17] And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.
[18] And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?
[19] And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
[20] And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.


[21] And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

[22] And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
[23] Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Yes, the Lord ALLOWS satan to work! and for one to believe him?? that is for our ALLOWED free choice to make!.

--Elijah
 
Again, the [post] misses my posted point completely. The question is not about God, but what is in [[MANKINDS]] heart + mind! The mind is free to choose one of the two, the SPIRIT or the 's'pirit. And which ever one mankind chooses is his free choice to make. Compare 1 Kings 21:17-23 & the Rev. 17:1-5 ones of today!

And again, Matt. 6...

[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. ..'

And again. Matt. 23 has only a True profession being made there. And NO ONE from this end can read anothers heart.

Matt. 23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that [[observe and do]]; but do not ye after [[their works]]: [[for they say, and do not]].

+ the supreme free/choice is seen in Isa. 5

[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt [[me and my vineyard]].

Two Spirits STRIVING, and mankind yields to just one or the other by his own God Given in His Image free choice.

1 Kings 22

[16] And the king said unto him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou tell me nothing but that which is true in the name of the LORD?
[17] And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.
[18] And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?
[19] And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
[20] And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

[21] And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

[22] And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
[23] Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Yes, the Lord ALLOWS satan to work! and for one to believe him?? that is for our ALLOWED free choice to make!.

--Elijah
What you see as free choice, I see as God sifting the wheat. Can a tare chose to be wheat, and wheat choose to be a tare? Some believe and some don't. Made in God's image does not mean we have the free choice to call God a liar. That would be doubting our very selves since He made us. The belief God is a liar is not a free choice, it is built upon an unbelief that can only exist in the corrupt mind. This corrupt mind does not understand that all things are built upon faith. I know I don't believe God is a liar. Why would He lie?
 
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Yes, the Lord ALLOWS satan to work! and for one to believe him?? that is for our ALLOWED free choice to make!.

--Elijah

There is no 'choice' in the above. Where the Word is sown, Satan is assured to have access to the mind and heart to tempt with 'his thoughts.'

That categorically means none of us are alone in our thoughts nor are we 'free' in our 'will' from this factually transpiring:

Mark 4:
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

A believer who is 'in truth' recognizes this fact happens within them and has no issues speaking the truth that it does happen. A deceived person denies it happens within them. It is in fact Satan in their heart making the denial and speaking the denial that it happens. And the 'slave' of Satan doesn't even realize it's not them doing it.

Think about that fact for awhile before responding.

enjoy!

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What you see as free choice, I see as God sifting the wheat. Can a tare chose to be wheat, and wheat choose to be a tare? Some believe and some don't. Made in God's image does not mean we have the free choice to call God a liar. That would be doubting our very selves since He made us. The belief God is a liar is not a free choice, it is built upon an unbelief that can only exist in the corrupt mind. This corrupt mind does not understand that all things are built upon faith. I know I don't believe God is a liar. Why would He lie?

Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 documented several times for how God requires the past. Gen. 41:32 is the fact of Christ first advent to Apostate Israel & then Apostate Laodicea Rev. 3:16.

Bothe Virgin candelsticks (Virgin Churchs) had & have a MIDNIGHT CRY. Both 'HOUSES' (churchs) become DESOLAT OF CHRIST! Matt. 23:38 & Rev. 3:9. (compare the Eternal WARNING of just the Correct Seven Churchs in Rev. 2:5)

And BOTH had & have again, the [SHAKING}-->> or SEPERATING OF THE WHEAT & TARES before Christ comes again the second time as documented in 2 Thess. 2's several verses, read them slowly & prayerfully!

2Thes.2
[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by [[the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ]], and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: [[for that day shall not come]], [[except there come a falling away first]], and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ... '

As 'i' see it the wheat & tares are seperated befor Christ comes again!
OK: Let me ask you a question, are you telling me that the tares that this is talking about, are OPENLY SEEN DOCUMENTED SINNERS??? If so, why are we finding Rev. 17:1-5 with the whole swamp full of THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ones?????? (+ daughters)

So try Josh. 7:12 last part of the verse for an Eternal FACT, and Isa. 59:1-2 for who GOD WILL NOT HEAR!

So NO, as I read it, false doctrine taught for truth when known to be false, is open sin & these are all tares to begin with.:(

--Elijah
 
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