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Who Accepts Whom?
- Thread starter Adullam
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Vic C.
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What sacrifice was rejected by Esau?
None but honestly, this thread is confusing, I thought the question was asking if we are the ones who get to decide our salvation? By our decision to either accept or reject the sacrifice of Christ. Or is it God who gets to decide? so my reference to Esau is that God chooses to reject him, as an example. After a few very confusing posts, I guess i have no idea what this thread is about.
Adullam
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:nodI think the choice must be mutual. God is willing but so must we be. But the ultimate choice remains with God.:nod
Yes. Imo, we believe we have more control about our choices than we really do. And when we are discussing God's Will or our will, it should be only His Will, as we manifest Christ, and hopefully we do so 100%, there is no "our will", it's His Will.
francisdesales
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Perhaps you mean "my will should equal God's will"...? This doesn't do away with our will. But the point of sanctification is to make our will equal to God's Will. Our will doesn't "disappear", it is transformed.
Regards
Eventide
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The scriptures teach that we are accepted IN the beloved Son of God.. our Lord Jesus Christ..
Are we accepted in our Adamic nature in the FLESH.. NO..our flesh is condemned.. we are accepted in CHRIST.. ie, there is no condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk NOT AFTER the FLESH but after the SPIRIT..
The scriptural basis for God choosing anyone to salvation is through BELIEF IN THE TRUTH..
As many as RECEIVED HIM, to them gave HE power to become the sons of God..
It should be obvious.. God isn't choosing US at all.. He is choosing us IN HIS SON, the Lord Jesus Christ.. the one in whom the Father delights.
Are we accepted in our Adamic nature in the FLESH.. NO..our flesh is condemned.. we are accepted in CHRIST.. ie, there is no condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk NOT AFTER the FLESH but after the SPIRIT..
The scriptural basis for God choosing anyone to salvation is through BELIEF IN THE TRUTH..
As many as RECEIVED HIM, to them gave HE power to become the sons of God..
It should be obvious.. God isn't choosing US at all.. He is choosing us IN HIS SON, the Lord Jesus Christ.. the one in whom the Father delights.
We should decrease, so He can increase, so none of our old self exists anymore.
I don't disagree, however, Christ died for us while we were still sinners, so God did choose us in the unregenerated state, too.
Eventide
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I disagree with what I have emboldened from your comments.. God did NOT choose us in the flesh (ie, in our Adamic nature, in fact, it remains condemned), but rather He chose us IN CHRIST, through BELIEF of the TRUTH. Christ dying for us while we were yet dead and lost in trespasses and in sins does not (imo) equate to Him choosing us in that state.
I completely agree with you, it is Christ in us, the hope of glory, there is only One who wins the race. yet this thread seems to be about who chooses who, and all I am saying is that God chose us even before the foundation of the world, just as He chose the Isrealites. We did not choose Him first. agree? or not?
Eventide
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IMO this is one of the most mis-applied verses in the bible.. it does not say that God chose us from before the foundation of the world, it says that God chose us IN CHRIST from before the foundation of the world.. a massive difference. God knows the future, and He chose IN CHRIST..
This is affirmed everywhere in the scriptures.. that prior to trusting in Christ we were dead and lost in trespasses and in sins (Eph 2), that if we shall seek to save OUR LIFE we shall lose it.. that if any man comes after Him, they must DENY THEMSELVES, take up their cross and follow HIM..
It should be obvious who the chosen one is.. and it's CHRIST, not us.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I am His kid i have been adopted and i am still flesh and blood. All according to His will
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I am His kid i have been adopted and i am still flesh and blood. All according to His will
Eventide
Member
So imo the correct answer to this question of who accepts whom is obvious..
The Father has accepted the perfect sacrifice of His Son for the sin of the world, and that any man may be justified freely by placing their faith IN HIM.. and therefore we are accepted IN the BELOVED SON of God.
The Father has accepted the perfect sacrifice of His Son for the sin of the world, and that any man may be justified freely by placing their faith IN HIM.. and therefore we are accepted IN the BELOVED SON of God.
I think I see what you are saying, correct me if I am wrong, that God DID chose the israelites, yet it was Christ's sacrifice in the future is why He chose them or any one of us - it was knowing beginning to the end, all along God knowing Christ would ultimately save OT saints, too. Sorry, just trying to understand what you are saying. thanks.
Eventide
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Israel is a matter of God choosing a NATION.. and even then we know that just because a person was an Israelite, that didn't mean that they were justified because they were an Israelite.. but because of faith.. for the just have always lived by faith..
So an Israelite is justified exactly as we are.. by faith.. although they were justified by faith in the promises of God given at the time.. ie, the Law of Moses.. whereas we're justified by faith in His Son.. although it's still by faith.
I hope this helps.
yes, it does. thanks. Their justification came through the law, ours is through Christ - by faith. It's a bit different than what I had previous believed.
francisdesales
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That's not correct. Paul makes this argument in Romans 4. Justification of anyone comes through faith in God. No one is justified "by the Law". The example he uses to defend his position is of Abram, who was justified BEFORE the law was given to Moses. Men are justified through faith in God, not by works of a Law.
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