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Who are the 144,000 ?
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John the Baptist said
I have seen imaginations running wild on some of these posts, but yours seems to be the wildest yet. It really makes me wonder if you can read. If I understand what you have writtten, and I believe it do, you are trying to tell us that all the wicked are killled by Jesus at the rapture. The rapture will be before the seven years, so please tell me who the "1/3" of the people that are killed by the 6th trumpet, second woe? Can God kill someone after they are already dead?
Then again, if you don't believe in the rapture, and believe this will take place after the seven years, when Jesus descends on the white horse, you are still attempting to re-write the book. If all the evil people are killed at this coming, there would be no need for the angels to gather the wicked, as in the parable of the tares, and dragnet. And then, there would be no need for the sheep and goat judgement! So your wild imagination, even though very vivid, is totally wrong.
Please read the book, and post something that at least will make sense, if you must post.
Coop
I have seen imaginations running wild on some of these posts, but yours seems to be the wildest yet. It really makes me wonder if you can read. If I understand what you have writtten, and I believe it do, you are trying to tell us that all the wicked are killled by Jesus at the rapture. The rapture will be before the seven years, so please tell me who the "1/3" of the people that are killed by the 6th trumpet, second woe? Can God kill someone after they are already dead?
Then again, if you don't believe in the rapture, and believe this will take place after the seven years, when Jesus descends on the white horse, you are still attempting to re-write the book. If all the evil people are killed at this coming, there would be no need for the angels to gather the wicked, as in the parable of the tares, and dragnet. And then, there would be no need for the sheep and goat judgement! So your wild imagination, even though very vivid, is totally wrong.
Please read the book, and post something that at least will make sense, if you must post.
Coop
J
John the Baptist
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lecoop said:
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My dear chap, you insulting the poster! :wink: ---John
J
John the Baptist
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Here is one that I did some time ago. See if you can attack the poster of that one also :wink: ---John
-----Left Behind, Who and Where are they?----- (amended slightly)
Part One:
The Lord has 'left behind' for us Truth, and it is called the Bible. The Word of God. And we need to test all doctrine from this book, as a whole, all 66 books. Here is a verse in the New Testament, 2 Timothy 3:16 that tells us a Gospel Truth.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
The movie 'Left Behind' would need to stand the test of all scripture, that includes
the 66 books of the 'Word' of God as we call it. (or be dumped!) We are going to test the content of the movie on just one part of its main theme. And remember the above 'words' from Timothy, of [doctrine,] [reproof,] ]correction,] and [instruction in righteousness.]
So we are going to explore the 'Doctrine' part of 'left behind' for scriptural accuracy?
Remember now the Word above says 'All Scripture'.
So we want to test [also] even the Word of God, to show us, 'Doctrine' from the [Start to Finish] in Their Word! It is then that we will see what God tells us is the Truth, by using only a couple verses found in the book of Ecclesiastes.
First in the closing book of His Word, Revelation 20:1-3 we read.
"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, (remember these names for the same being-where was the serpent first mentioned in the Word? He spoke to Eve.)
which is the Devil, and Satan, and [bound him a thousand years]. A cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, [till the thousand years should be fulfilled:] and after that he must be loosed a [little season]."
These verses talk of a time-frame of 1000 years. Many today just say a Millennium,
which mean the same time period. Also the above verses tell us that Satan [is bound]
and cannot deceive the nations no more' until after he is again loosed. This is simple enough, OK? We are taking the Gospel at its Word!
So now, lets go to Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 and use these 'Inspired' verses to test even these verses above from Revelation! The real test for us is, Will We Believe The Word Of God? And most will not. (we will use them in part only-you can read the rest)
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which [shall be done:] and there is [no new thing under the sun.] Is there [anything]
whereof it may be said, [See, this is new?] (pay apt attention as the GodHead answer themselves) it [hath been [already of old time, which was before us.]"
Do you believe God? If it does not happen again, or if it has not happened before, we will be told in the Word itself! Example? Nahum 1:9 tells us that 'affliction will not rise
up a [second] time' And most all remember the 'rainbow' set in the sky by God?
No more world floods. OK? But lets be sure to ask & test ourselves about this verse from above in Revelation? Does God mean that this 'revelation' verse was before us??
That is what God said! (not me) But lets try another verse in Ecclesiastes 3:15 to see if God is consistent? You know, as plain & simple as this is stated? 'we' might still need more Truth? :roll: And then we will do a search in the Word to find out what and where this first history came about, that is from Revelation 20:1-3?
Eccl. says: "That which hath been [is now;] and that which is to [be hath already been;] and [God requireth that which is past.]"
Are you afraid to put God to the test? Do you think that we might find that He can't back up His Word? Don't worry about it, God 'cannot' lie, nor does He change! The problem is not with God, but with His fallen creation.
We will use His Everlasting Gospel! try Rev. 14:6 first past.
Notice here in Jeremiah 4:23-27 (in part) "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void: and the [heavens, and they had no light.] .... I beheld and there was [no man,] .... I beheld, and lo, [the fruitful place was a wilderness,]
(notice the time frame below for this to happen, & ask yourself if any are 'Left Behind'?)
and [all the cities] thereof were broken down [at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger. For the Lord hath said, [The whole land shall be desolate.."]
Remember that we have just a part of the subject that we are covering today.
"Left Behind"? And God has stated by His Word that this 1000 year Millennium Is Nothing New! But here we are reading something that is to come & it was also before us! At least before the 'earth' was created! Notice the Word's (Christs!) Word, Wilderness! No man? The whole land 'shall be desolate? But God said that this history was also in the past! What was before the creation of man??
Lets go to Genesis 1:1-18,
"In the beginning God created the [heavens and the earth.] And the earth was [without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep]. ...And God said, let there be light. ...And God said, Let there be a firmament. ...And God called the dry land Earth; ... And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night:..." Yes, just in part, you can read it all. But we can see the history
continuing 'forward' from creation to the ending of 6000 years. Or when the Millennium
is to start. Where is there any life living upon earth during this time?? We will get into a further study in [Part Two] of Jeremiah 4:26, last part "At the Presence Of The Lord.." This is surely the 'Second Coming of our Master.
But to soon close out for today, we want to just think about a 'Nothing New Under The Sun'
statement or two, from the Godhead. And surely you can see that God was consistent
in the 'binding of Satan' in Rev. 20:1-3 as to the fact that no man lived upon earth until the 1000 years were completed? Still not sure? Well try this verse 4-5 ibid.. (in part)
"..and they lived and reigned with Christ a [thousand years.] But the [rest of the dead live NOT UNTIL the thousand years were finished.."
It continues on to say that this is the First Resurrection! These are those who are raptured (if I might use a word that you understand) at the second coming of Christ, and who are living with Christ in heaven. We will get into the two resurrections
in 'part two'. But, notice that this explicitly says the First Resurrection!
"Nothing New Under The Sun"?? Jude 6 says: And the angels which kept not their first
estate, but left their [own habitation,] he hath [reserved] in [everlasting chains under darkness] unto the judgement of the great day." Sounds like Rev. 20's wording? But do not miss the word 'unto the judgement'. (or until)
So, where were the angels who rebelled in heaven sent? Earth! Who was it that tempted Adam & Eve after they were created? Before it was fully populated by the creation of God. And the History to be repeated? Again, to a earth that will be as it was in the beginning, Void and empty! This will be the serpents ('s'atans) and the evil angels home once again for the 1000 years!
Notice two thoughts from 2 Peter 3:7-12 (in part) we will come back to verse 8 in closing.
The time before the world flood, "For this they willingly ignorant of, that by the Word of God the [heavens were of old,] and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (Notice) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, [perished:] But the heaven and the earth, which now, by the same Word are kept in store, [reserved unto fire against the day of judgement]...But (Notice) the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; (to the ones in the 'Second' resurrection only! 1 Thess. 5:4) In which the [heavens shall pass away with a great noise,] and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the [earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.]" Again! With a great noise! Secret? Hardly. And again, what time in history is this?
Drop on down to verse 11-12 (in part)
"Seeing then that [all] these things [shall be dissolved,]...Looking for and hasting unto the [coming of the day of God], wherein the [heavens being on fire [shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.]" Who is left on earth besides the 'devil & his evil angels? NO ONE!
Verse 8 gives us the first history from the beginning until this last history we have studied.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, [that one day] is with the Lord as a
[thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.]" It seems that today, way back,
(smile) that we began discussing 'left behind'?
So in concluding 'part one' of this subject, lets once again put the Word to the test?
God worked six days, evening and the morning made up the day. And the Seventh Day He set aside for holy use. The Sabbath it is called, a Day Of Rest! Now using the scale of a day for 1000 years that Peter said not to be ignorant about, we see 6000 years have just about arrived, (God makes no mistake, man is just very close!) and when it does arrive, the Master will very soon afterwards come also!
And then the GodHeads once inhabited earth will have her Sabbath's rest for the 1000 years as seen in Rev. 20:1-3. And with the only ones being seen here, are as it was seen before creations bottomless pit. The devil & his fellow angels chained with NO MAN to tempt!
"Is God Particular?" (John)
P.O. Box 528
Gray Court, S.C. 29645
-----Left Behind, Who and Where are they?----- (amended slightly)
Part One:
The Lord has 'left behind' for us Truth, and it is called the Bible. The Word of God. And we need to test all doctrine from this book, as a whole, all 66 books. Here is a verse in the New Testament, 2 Timothy 3:16 that tells us a Gospel Truth.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
The movie 'Left Behind' would need to stand the test of all scripture, that includes
the 66 books of the 'Word' of God as we call it. (or be dumped!) We are going to test the content of the movie on just one part of its main theme. And remember the above 'words' from Timothy, of [doctrine,] [reproof,] ]correction,] and [instruction in righteousness.]
So we are going to explore the 'Doctrine' part of 'left behind' for scriptural accuracy?
Remember now the Word above says 'All Scripture'.
So we want to test [also] even the Word of God, to show us, 'Doctrine' from the [Start to Finish] in Their Word! It is then that we will see what God tells us is the Truth, by using only a couple verses found in the book of Ecclesiastes.
First in the closing book of His Word, Revelation 20:1-3 we read.
"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, (remember these names for the same being-where was the serpent first mentioned in the Word? He spoke to Eve.)
which is the Devil, and Satan, and [bound him a thousand years]. A cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, [till the thousand years should be fulfilled:] and after that he must be loosed a [little season]."
These verses talk of a time-frame of 1000 years. Many today just say a Millennium,
which mean the same time period. Also the above verses tell us that Satan [is bound]
and cannot deceive the nations no more' until after he is again loosed. This is simple enough, OK? We are taking the Gospel at its Word!
So now, lets go to Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 and use these 'Inspired' verses to test even these verses above from Revelation! The real test for us is, Will We Believe The Word Of God? And most will not. (we will use them in part only-you can read the rest)
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which [shall be done:] and there is [no new thing under the sun.] Is there [anything]
whereof it may be said, [See, this is new?] (pay apt attention as the GodHead answer themselves) it [hath been [already of old time, which was before us.]"
Do you believe God? If it does not happen again, or if it has not happened before, we will be told in the Word itself! Example? Nahum 1:9 tells us that 'affliction will not rise
up a [second] time' And most all remember the 'rainbow' set in the sky by God?
No more world floods. OK? But lets be sure to ask & test ourselves about this verse from above in Revelation? Does God mean that this 'revelation' verse was before us??
That is what God said! (not me) But lets try another verse in Ecclesiastes 3:15 to see if God is consistent? You know, as plain & simple as this is stated? 'we' might still need more Truth? :roll: And then we will do a search in the Word to find out what and where this first history came about, that is from Revelation 20:1-3?
Eccl. says: "That which hath been [is now;] and that which is to [be hath already been;] and [God requireth that which is past.]"
Are you afraid to put God to the test? Do you think that we might find that He can't back up His Word? Don't worry about it, God 'cannot' lie, nor does He change! The problem is not with God, but with His fallen creation.
We will use His Everlasting Gospel! try Rev. 14:6 first past.
Notice here in Jeremiah 4:23-27 (in part) "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void: and the [heavens, and they had no light.] .... I beheld and there was [no man,] .... I beheld, and lo, [the fruitful place was a wilderness,]
(notice the time frame below for this to happen, & ask yourself if any are 'Left Behind'?)
and [all the cities] thereof were broken down [at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger. For the Lord hath said, [The whole land shall be desolate.."]
Remember that we have just a part of the subject that we are covering today.
"Left Behind"? And God has stated by His Word that this 1000 year Millennium Is Nothing New! But here we are reading something that is to come & it was also before us! At least before the 'earth' was created! Notice the Word's (Christs!) Word, Wilderness! No man? The whole land 'shall be desolate? But God said that this history was also in the past! What was before the creation of man??
Lets go to Genesis 1:1-18,
"In the beginning God created the [heavens and the earth.] And the earth was [without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep]. ...And God said, let there be light. ...And God said, Let there be a firmament. ...And God called the dry land Earth; ... And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night:..." Yes, just in part, you can read it all. But we can see the history
continuing 'forward' from creation to the ending of 6000 years. Or when the Millennium
is to start. Where is there any life living upon earth during this time?? We will get into a further study in [Part Two] of Jeremiah 4:26, last part "At the Presence Of The Lord.." This is surely the 'Second Coming of our Master.
But to soon close out for today, we want to just think about a 'Nothing New Under The Sun'
statement or two, from the Godhead. And surely you can see that God was consistent
in the 'binding of Satan' in Rev. 20:1-3 as to the fact that no man lived upon earth until the 1000 years were completed? Still not sure? Well try this verse 4-5 ibid.. (in part)
"..and they lived and reigned with Christ a [thousand years.] But the [rest of the dead live NOT UNTIL the thousand years were finished.."
It continues on to say that this is the First Resurrection! These are those who are raptured (if I might use a word that you understand) at the second coming of Christ, and who are living with Christ in heaven. We will get into the two resurrections
in 'part two'. But, notice that this explicitly says the First Resurrection!
"Nothing New Under The Sun"?? Jude 6 says: And the angels which kept not their first
estate, but left their [own habitation,] he hath [reserved] in [everlasting chains under darkness] unto the judgement of the great day." Sounds like Rev. 20's wording? But do not miss the word 'unto the judgement'. (or until)
So, where were the angels who rebelled in heaven sent? Earth! Who was it that tempted Adam & Eve after they were created? Before it was fully populated by the creation of God. And the History to be repeated? Again, to a earth that will be as it was in the beginning, Void and empty! This will be the serpents ('s'atans) and the evil angels home once again for the 1000 years!
Notice two thoughts from 2 Peter 3:7-12 (in part) we will come back to verse 8 in closing.
The time before the world flood, "For this they willingly ignorant of, that by the Word of God the [heavens were of old,] and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (Notice) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, [perished:] But the heaven
Drop on down to verse 11-12 (in part)
"Seeing then that [all] these things [shall be dissolved,]...Looking for and hasting unto the [coming of the day of God], wherein the [heavens being on fire [shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.]" Who is left on earth besides the 'devil & his evil angels? NO ONE!
Verse 8 gives us the first history from the beginning until this last history we have studied.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, [that one day] is with the Lord as a
[thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.]" It seems that today, way back,
(smile) that we began discussing 'left behind'?
So in concluding 'part one' of this subject, lets once again put the Word to the test?
God worked six days, evening and the morning made up the day. And the Seventh Day He set aside for holy use. The Sabbath it is called, a Day Of Rest! Now using the scale of a day for 1000 years that Peter said not to be ignorant about, we see 6000 years have just about arrived, (God makes no mistake, man is just very close!) and when it does arrive, the Master will very soon afterwards come also!
And then the GodHeads once inhabited earth will have her Sabbath's rest for the 1000 years as seen in Rev. 20:1-3. And with the only ones being seen here, are as it was seen before creations bottomless pit. The devil & his fellow angels chained with NO MAN to tempt!
"Is God Particular?" (John)
P.O. Box 528
Gray Court, S.C. 29645
Thread subject
Which is far better than the High School dropout mentality shown on this site by a few of the immature members who post here. All accredited Pastors, Ministers and teachers are degreed, and are the ones who tried to teach you what you think you know.
It should occur to you, with all the differences of opinion, there are some of you who are missing the mark, and instead of reading, listening and researching, you're going to go down 'shooting,' just to defend unsupportable positions, rather than seeking the Scriptural truth.
Peace
Quasar
lecoop said:
Which is far better than the High School dropout mentality shown on this site by a few of the immature members who post here. All accredited Pastors, Ministers and teachers are degreed, and are the ones who tried to teach you what you think you know.
It should occur to you, with all the differences of opinion, there are some of you who are missing the mark, and instead of reading, listening and researching, you're going to go down 'shooting,' just to defend unsupportable positions, rather than seeking the Scriptural truth.
Peace
Quasar
Re: Thread subject
Quasar, it is for sure that we can't all be correct, since there is such a divergence of opinion! For example, who is the first seal to represent?
Now, about those missing the mark with unsupportable possitions? As you are pointing a finger, do you have three pointed back at you? : -) ) ) ) (Laughing loudly with Quasar!)
Coop
Quasar said:
Quasar, it is for sure that we can't all be correct, since there is such a divergence of opinion! For example, who is the first seal to represent?
Now, about those missing the mark with unsupportable possitions? As you are pointing a finger, do you have three pointed back at you? : -) ) ) ) (Laughing loudly with Quasar!)
Coop
J
John the Baptist
Guest
Re: Thread subject
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"Pastors, Ministers, and teachers are degreed, and are the ones who tried to TEACHT you what you think you know."
OK! :wink: ---John
Quasar said:
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"Pastors, Ministers, and teachers are degreed, and are the ones who tried to TEACHT you what you think you know."
OK! :wink: ---John
Thread subject
Quote by Coop:
>>>Quasar, it is for sure that we can't all be correct, since there is such a divergence of opinion! For example, who is the first seal to represent?
Now, about those missing the mark with unsupportable possitions? As you are pointing a finger, do you have three pointed back at you? : -) ) ) ) (Laughing loudly with Quasar!)<<<
Quote by John:
>>>"Pastors, Ministers, and teachers are degreed, and are the ones who tried to TEACHT you what you think you know."<<<
Q: The effort you are both making at discrediting me only reflects your inexperience and immaturity in what you know about interfacing with others on a discussion board. What you think you are attacking me with has been done by many experts, which neither of you are! So why don't you give it a rest and see if you can start discussing something pertaining to the subject for a change!
You asked 'who is the first seal to represent,' Coop. The first seal. of the seven, is the horseman riding the white horse, and represents the Antichrist, who triggers the tribulation as seen in Dan.9:27 and in 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7-8. The rider of the white horse in Rev.19:14 is Jesus Christ, who ends the tribulation.
:roll:
Quote by Coop:
>>>Quasar, it is for sure that we can't all be correct, since there is such a divergence of opinion! For example, who is the first seal to represent?
Now, about those missing the mark with unsupportable possitions? As you are pointing a finger, do you have three pointed back at you? : -) ) ) ) (Laughing loudly with Quasar!)<<<
Quote by John:
>>>"Pastors, Ministers, and teachers are degreed, and are the ones who tried to TEACHT you what you think you know."<<<
Q: The effort you are both making at discrediting me only reflects your inexperience and immaturity in what you know about interfacing with others on a discussion board. What you think you are attacking me with has been done by many experts, which neither of you are! So why don't you give it a rest and see if you can start discussing something pertaining to the subject for a change!
You asked 'who is the first seal to represent,' Coop. The first seal. of the seven, is the horseman riding the white horse, and represents the Antichrist, who triggers the tribulation as seen in Dan.9:27 and in 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7-8. The rider of the white horse in Rev.19:14 is Jesus Christ, who ends the tribulation.
:roll:
Quasar, I try hard not to discredit anyone. However, I will discredit any stated belief or doctrine that does not have a firm biblical support, such as the first seal being the antichrist. This is pure myth with not one word to support it, in my opinion. Now, if you disagree, and you are the expert here, please show me the words you must be using that give you this idea.
I have already posted the verses that give me the idea that this first seal was broken around 33 AD. You have not commented on that.
I have already posted the verse that shows clearly that the white horse rides alone, and the other three are together. You have not commented on that.
I have commented on John's many other uses of the word white, and that in all the others it stands for righteousness. You have not commented on that.
I have commented on the fact that this vision is coming from God, not the antichrist, and that it would be the antichrist that would wish to paint himself white, but if God were doing it, he would be painted fiery red, as in Chapter 13. You have not commented on that.
So if you want to cling to a belief that is based on mans ideas, with no biblical support, go ahead. You have that freedom.
Coop
I have already posted the verses that give me the idea that this first seal was broken around 33 AD. You have not commented on that.
I have already posted the verse that shows clearly that the white horse rides alone, and the other three are together. You have not commented on that.
I have commented on John's many other uses of the word white, and that in all the others it stands for righteousness. You have not commented on that.
I have commented on the fact that this vision is coming from God, not the antichrist, and that it would be the antichrist that would wish to paint himself white, but if God were doing it, he would be painted fiery red, as in Chapter 13. You have not commented on that.
So if you want to cling to a belief that is based on mans ideas, with no biblical support, go ahead. You have that freedom.
Coop
J
John the Baptist
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lecoop said: