Who are we to judge?

[reba]

ok

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

So I choose one where Christ payed for my sins on the Cross or another where Christ payed for my sins in hell.

Come on kiwidan. I'm courious too for why you hold so negitive beliefs on churchgoing. If I can ask, of the five churches you've been in, which ones have resulted in this negitive reaction? Of the twenty that you've watched televised how many have given you this reaction?

Have you gone back to any of them to give them a shooting chance?

 

[Corn Pop]

Come on kiwidan. I'm courious too for why you hold so negitive beliefs on churchgoing. If I can ask, of the five churches you've been in, which ones have resulted in this negitive reaction? Of the twenty that you've watched televised how many have given you this reaction?

Have you gone back to any of them to give them a shooting chance?

I believe in one spiritual Church and one body of Christ.

I dont think churches are bad in general nor do i think any Pastor has evil intentions. Not one single Pastor in this world no matter how false they may be do i think there intentions are evil so although I might speak out I dont acturally judge them.

People only say and do what they think is right or ok.

 

[Free]

Im not judging just giving my opinion. As i said each to there own. The Church judges itself.

No, you're judging. And more than that, you separate yourself from the denominations, becoming a denomination unto yourself. You are doing the very thing you judge the Church of doing.

If a mormon or JW knocking on your door and welcomed you to there church of Jesus Christ would you go?. One in Christ remember. It would rude not to go and have fellowship with brothers and sisters in Christ who have invited you to share in fellowship.

Are you suggesting that JWs and Mormons are true Christians? They most certainly are not brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I believe in one spiritual Church and one body of Christ.

I dont think churches are bad in general nor do i think any Pastor has evil intentions. Not one single Pastor in this world no matter how false they may be do i think there intentions are evil so although I might speak out I dont acturally judge them.

People only say and do what they think is right or ok.

I wish I could agree with you on this statement Kiwidan. It sounds like a good sentiment to hold on to, being one church and one body. But the part of not judging them, I don't know if you realize it when you are judging them. Perhaps looking back you can see it.

The church is an absolute mess. The church is more divided than politics. The church does not represent one body of Christ and does not set a good example, its each denomination to there own and each church to there own.

How often does one denomination church help another church down the road. I bet a big church just watches a small churches doors close with no compassion. Just like big business eating small business.

All have the same root of the gospel they just go into fairyland.

If you mean to judge them and you have reason to do so, that's one thing. If you don't mean to judge them but do so anyways that's something different.

 

[Corn Pop]

No, you're judging. And more than that, you separate yourself from the denominations, becoming a denomination unto yourself. You are doing the very thing you judge the Church of doing.


Are you suggesting that JWs and Mormons are true Christians? They most certainly are not brothers and sisters in Christ.

What?. So you say seperate onself from denominations becoming a denomination unto oneself, then you go accuse mormons and JWs as not brothers and sisters.

I know they have false teachings but so do other denominations thats why they are called denominations, because there teaching differ, so all you have done is become a denomination unto yourself by judging denominations.They still believe Christ and his works so why do you judge them and not others.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Are you suggesting that JWs and Mormons are true Christians? They most certainly are not brothers and sisters in Christ.

I kind of have to agree with kiwidan on this one Free. I mean it's something we need caution on so that we don't adopt wrong teachings or wrong practices. But we should have fellowship with them as readily as they are to have fellowship with us.

 

[reba]

But we should have fellowship with them as readily as they are to have fellowship with us.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Fair point. Thankyou.

 

[Corn Pop]

But thats where denominations differ, they all have different doctrine on Christ and truth.

 

[Nathan]

kiwidan.. let me know how many churches you have visited to come away with such strong opinions... He is building His Church and it is growing just as He planed.

Planed, wanted, or both? :wink

 

[Corn Pop]

There is a difference between judging doctrine and judging someone as a human being. As i said i dont judge any Pastor or person as a human being because I dont believe people are intentionally evil, they maybe just wrong in there teachings or belief.

Look at Christs example.

 

[Free]

What?. So you say seperate onself from denominations becoming a denomination unto oneself, then you go accuse mormons and JWs as not brothers and sisters.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

I know they have false teachings but so do other denominations thats why they are called denominations, because there teaching differ, so all you have done is become a denomination unto yourself by judging denominations.They still believe Christ and his works so why do you judge them and not others.

They don't believe in the Christ of the Bible, that is why. Within all the Christian denominations there are still central beliefs which are in common, beliefs that must be held in order to be a Christian. Some of these beliefs are denied by JWs and Mormons. They are not Christian denominations; they are cults.

 

[Corn Pop]

I don't understand what you are saying here.


They don't believe in the Christ of the Bible, that is why. Within all the Christian denominations there are still central beliefs which are in common, beliefs that must be held in order to be a Christian. Some of these beliefs are denied by JWs and Mormons. They are not Christian denominations; they are cults.

I know there crooked but some people also think Jesus is going to beam them into the sky in some 'rapture' because they are totally blinded by parables and take scriptures out of context. One false teaching is no better than another.

 

[Free]

I know there crooked but some people also think Jesus is going to beam them into the sky in some 'rapture' because they are totally blinded by parables and take scriptures out of context. One false teaching is no better than another.

You're not understanding. Believing in a Jesus that is not in the Bible precludes one from being a Christian. That is a primary, core issue which is vastly different than having different opinions on secondary, non-salvific issues such as the Rapture. They are heretics who have perverted the Gospel, not Christians.

 

[Corn Pop]

You're not understanding. Believing in a Jesus that is not in the Bible precludes one from being a Christian. That is a primary, core issue which is vastly different than having different opinions on secondary, non-salvific issues such as the Rapture. They are heretics who have perverted the Gospel, not Christians.

I know they are crooked and have crooked doctrine but they still believe Jesus is the sin atonement for mankind and believe in him for salvation. Be he crucified on a cross or a single stake it dont matter its the same outcome , as scripture says cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree.

Let's all argue if Jesus hands were horizontal or vertical. Thats how pathetic it gets.

 

[Free]

I know they are crooked and have crooked doctrine but they still believe Jesus is the sin atonement for mankind and believe in him for salvation. Be he crucified on a cross or a single stake it dont matter, cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree.

But you still don't understand. Jesus is the central figure of the etirety of Scripture, the one who is central to salvation, and both JWs and Mormons do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible. It doesn't matter that they say they believe in Jesus for salvation or that he atoned for mankind's sins (which isn't necessarily the case). Their faith rests on a Jesus that is not in the Bible. We simply cannot make Jesus out to be whomever we want him I be and think we are saved if what we believe about him does not line up with Scripture. Who Jesus is is central to what he has done. You cannot divorce the two and be a Christian.

Neither of those groups thinks Christians are the true Christians nor do they think the other is Christian; they each think that they alone are Christian.

 

[jasonc]

Unless you're the Borg.

Or a democrat, lol

 

[joseph lentz]

We are not to condemn......but, The scriptures say mark them that do unrighteousness, How can we do that without making a judgement? They also say.Look at the fruit they bare.Not to be partakers with or bid God' speed to certain individuals.In all these things a judgement has to take place.

 

[Soul man]

When Jesus judged he knew the heart of those he judged.

What about us?

We are never too judge another, what that man says and calls gospel, we are absolutely to judge.