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Who has dominioin over 'this World'?

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Imagican

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Who has dominion over this world in which we live? I have noticed that many claim to follow Christ yet insist on building thier 'treasures' here on earth. So, who do you think has 'control' over this planet at the present time?
 
Christ did not refute satan about satan having earthly power in Matthew 4:8-9, when satan stated.. "All these things willi give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."

And from Genesis on.. after the fall of man, man's power was only good as the Eternal Covenant conditions were met! Genesis 4:7 & N.T. Eternal Truth of Philipians 4:13 & 2 Corinthians 12:9.

Yet, even then God has set boundaries of restriction, as in Job 1:6-12

One thing for sure my friend, is that if any of God's saints could be removed from earth today by satan, right now, satan would not even blink an eye, but would have it done!

He has just got to be worshiped by any means, huh?
 
Imagican said:
Who has dominion over this world in which we live? I have noticed that many claim to follow Christ yet insist on building thier 'treasures' here on earth. So, who do you think has 'control' over this planet at the present time?

It is very simple but many Christians really don't understand.

Satan is given control of the world because he is challenging God that he can do better job than God to be our ruler.

Satan is telling God that poeple don't love God unless they are given everything they want.
 
Av, ginger,

Refreshing that there are those that accept the 'truth' of the matter. Satan HAS dominion over this planet in it's present state.

Av, you are right in that God is God and the ULTIMATE power in this UNIVERSE. Able to 'grant' the power to Satan and therefore able to 'take it away'. But, up to this point, Satan has been 'given' dominion over this planet. He is referred to as 'the prince of this world'. Obviously denoting that he is NOT the King, which WILL be Christ upon His return.

Now, the neat part. Once one comes to the realization that Satan HAS dominion over this world, then one is able to discern the 'truth' of what is going on with the churches and those that claim to be Christian 'without' the love or understanding of Christ. Many fail to realize that upon the introduction of the anti-Christ, the world WILL accept him AS Christ. The 'mind-set' needed for this to take place began at the 'cross'. The apostles knew that their job of 'starting' the Church was limited by time and that even then they stated that 'many anti-Christ' had already manifested themselves in the world. It's only gotten worse and worse as time has gone by.

If you were Satan and you wanted NOTHING more than to discredit God and His Son, WHO would be your MAIN targets? Would you focus on those that already lived for the world and what it has to offer? Would you focus on those that insisted upon 'themselves' as gods? NO, by no means would you waste your precious energy and limited time on there. But instead, you would focus your energy and time on the focal points of your enemy, hence; the churches. Offering temptation to those that LEAD these that trust in their guidance.

I know folks, that it sounds like something that NO ONE wants to hear or accept, but Satan has infiltrated the churches from the time of their inception. That's why many are even unable to understand that The Church IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE BODY OF BELIEVERS. Instead, the churches have led them to believe that ANY church is The Church. NOT TRUE my friends. The 'Spirit of God' WILL NOT dwell within a 'group of 'demons'. So, if one believes in a church, they are doing nothing short of creating an idol of this church and offering spiritual adultery.

We are to trust in God and trust in Christ. We have the words of the apostles that we may also trust so long as interpreted through the Spirit of God. NO ONE else is to be trusted. NOT ME, NOT YOU, NO ONE. The CC has taught their followers since it's inception that they are to follow their leaders without A QUESTION concerning their validity. This was carried over into the Protestant denominations as well. TRUST NO ONE, my friends for there is NOT ONE THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE. The Word is what opens the way for the Spirit. We are to absorb the Word as one would absorb nutrition from eating. READ my friends READ. Read and pray for guidance. The Bible plainly states that if you ask you WILL receive, Knock and it WILL be opened. I believe that this refers to understanding more than ANYTHING ELSE. Do it. ASK, KNOCK. Let men lead other men but yourself be led by NOTHING other than the Spirit.

For we battle NOT against our fellow men, but against powers and principalities that we know little, if anything, about. Satan is at war RIGHT NOW. He knows that we have an inherent desire to worship. Don't let him into your hearts so that he is able to offer you what you desire in the flesh. Block him out by staying in the Word. Otherwise he WILL trick you into believing what ever your heart desires. 'Trinity', OSAS, etc..........are nothing more than doctrines created by men? that have NO POWER. Any subtle means is what SATAN WILL USE in order to subvert those that are able to be led by any spirit other than the TRUE SPIRIT OF GOD. BEWARE my friends. many will refuse to heed these words and instead choose to ridicule me for them. So be it. If it's a fool that I must be then it's a fool that I will be..........For Christ and His Father.
 
Imagican said:
Av, ginger,

Refreshing that there are those that accept the 'truth' of the matter. Satan HAS dominion over this planet in it's present state.

Av, you are right in that God is God and the ULTIMATE power in this UNIVERSE. Able to 'grant' the power to Satan and therefore able to 'take it away'. But, up to this point, Satan has been 'given' dominion over this planet. He is referred to as 'the prince of this world'. Obviously denoting that he is NOT the King, which WILL be Christ upon His return.

Now, the neat part. Once one comes to the realization that Satan HAS dominion over this world, then one is able to discern the 'truth' of what is going on with the churches and those that claim to be Christian 'without' the love or understanding of Christ. Many fail to realize that upon the introduction of the anti-Christ, the world WILL accept him AS Christ. The 'mind-set' needed for this to take place began at the 'cross'. The apostles knew that their job of 'starting' the Church was limited by time and that even then they stated that 'many anti-Christ' had already manifested themselves in the world. It's only gotten worse and worse as time has gone by.

If you were Satan and you wanted NOTHING more than to discredit God and His Son, WHO would be your MAIN targets? Would you focus on those that already lived for the world and what it has to offer? Would you focus on those that insisted upon 'themselves' as gods? NO, by no means would you waste your precious energy and limited time on there. But instead, you would focus your energy and time on the focal points of your enemy, hence; the churches. Offering temptation to those that LEAD these that trust in their guidance.

I know folks, that it sounds like something that NO ONE wants to hear or accept, but Satan has infiltrated the churches from the time of their inception. That's why many are even unable to understand that The Church IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE BODY OF BELIEVERS. Instead, the churches have led them to believe that ANY church is The Church. NOT TRUE my friends. The 'Spirit of God' WILL NOT dwell within a 'group of 'demons'. So, if one believes in a church, they are doing nothing short of creating an idol of this church and offering spiritual adultery.

We are to trust in God and trust in Christ. We have the words of the apostles that we may also trust so long as interpreted through the Spirit of God. NO ONE else is to be trusted. NOT ME, NOT YOU, NO ONE. The CC has taught their followers since it's inception that they are to follow their leaders without A QUESTION concerning their validity. This was carried over into the Protestant denominations as well. TRUST NO ONE, my friends for there is NOT ONE THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE. The Word is what opens the way for the Spirit. We are to absorb the Word as one would absorb nutrition from eating. READ my friends READ. Read and pray for guidance. The Bible plainly states that if you ask you WILL receive, Knock and it WILL be opened. I believe that this refers to understanding more than ANYTHING ELSE. Do it. ASK, KNOCK. Let men lead other men but yourself be led by NOTHING other than the Spirit.

For we battle NOT against our fellow men, but against powers and principalities that we know little, if anything, about. Satan is at war RIGHT NOW. He knows that we have an inherent desire to worship. Don't let him into your hearts so that he is able to offer you what you desire in the flesh. Block him out by staying in the Word. Otherwise he WILL trick you into believing what ever your heart desires. 'Trinity', OSAS, etc..........are nothing more than doctrines created by men? that have NO POWER. Any subtle means is what SATAN WILL USE in order to subvert those that are able to be led by any spirit other than the TRUE SPIRIT OF GOD. BEWARE my friends. many will refuse to heed these words and instead choose to ridicule me for them. So be it. If it's a fool that I must be then it's a fool that I will be..........For Christ and His Father.

Where does the Word of God declare that satan has dominion over this planet?
 
Ah Solo,

So you would 'deny' what I have offered?

Satan IS the 'prince' of this world. Do you deny this too?

How could Satan have offered all the kingdoms of this world to Christ if they had NOT been his to give? Why will there be a 'final' battle on this planet if not to destroy the one who has dominion over it?

As stated before and I'll state again: The Bible is ONLY the BEGINNING of knowledge. There is MUCH that is not contained in scripture directly understandable to those that seek wisdom for the sake of nothing other than words. Give me the answer to the above questions and then I will offer you the scripture that you seek.

MEC
 
I think the best thing to do is to realize that "the world" is separate from "the earth". Satan has control of the world as of now. Satan offered it to Jesus, Jesus did not rebuke him for saying that (although Jesus did rebuke about putting God to the test). Just look at the condition of the world right now, it is in awful shape. After the second coming, the world will be Jesus' once more.
 
ChristineES said:
I think the best thing to do is to realize that "the world" is separate from "the earth". Satan has control of the world as of now. Satan offered it to Jesus, Jesus did not rebuke him for saying that (although Jesus did rebuke about putting God to the test). Just look at the condition of the world right now, it is in awful shape. After the second coming, the world will be Jesus' once more.
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Satan's now; Christ's in the future and for eternity. :)
 
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Mind of Christ... NOW,

not later,

but NOW.


  • Philippians 2:5
    Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    1Peter 4:1
    Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Those who are IN CHRIST JESUS are not of this world, and so being, Satan no longer has power or dominion. Because, to all those who are IN CHRIST JESUS, Satan IS CAST OUT OF THE WORLD. (see John 12:31 ) .


When Christ died on the cross he said "It is finished". Christ died on the cross, not so that Satan can continue to have dominion, but so that Satan be cast out of the world.

  • John 1:29
    The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

If Christ took away the sins of the world, then Satan has no dominion in this world to all those who are IN CHRIST JESUS.

  • John 6:57
    As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

    Jesus said:
    John 12:31
    Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    1Peter 4:11
    If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    1Peter 5:11
    To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Jude 1:25
    To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Satan rules the world for all those who are NOT IN the Holy Spirit of CHRIST JESUS. It is by their own doing that they reject His grace of salvation from the sins of the world.
Confession (admitting to) of sin and, Repentance (turning away from sin) is needed. Accepting The Holy Spirit OF Christ Jesus is the way. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


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True believers make up just a fraction of the world's population. The rest are under the Adversary's dominion. Turn on any news channel, you'll see who the people REALLY serve.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
 
vic said:
ChristineES said:
I think the best thing to do is to realize that "the world" is separate from "the earth". Satan has control of the world as of now. Satan offered it to Jesus, Jesus did not rebuke him for saying that (although Jesus did rebuke about putting God to the test). Just look at the condition of the world right now, it is in awful shape. After the second coming, the world will be Jesus' once more.
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Satan's now; Christ's in the future and for eternity. :)

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'satan's now;' :sad
A conditional one with boundaries though, huh?

Man was created a 'little' lower than the angels.

Man's lifespan after sinning was around 1000 yrs. before a change in diet was Ok'd by God. (pre/flood) Then it quickly shortened.

Man had the Tree of Life for food for conditional eternal life prior to sin.

Man ate 'angels food' in the wilderness. (and miracle's abounded!)
And my brain remembers that God said, 'let us reason together'. (gittin old though, wife'ie & I just had our 50th year of God's providence)

My object? :wink: It is that satan & his crew no longer eat the prior angels food, and would die in time regardless, perhaps soon after the 7000 years, if God did not lovingly put them out of existence? Why do I believe this? Because God gave 'me' the Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 Truth that there is nothing new under the sun! :fadein:

Also that he really does know that he has 'just a short time left'! And that his first lie to Eve, about not dieing? Very soon now all of his 'followers' also will know of the Eternal Covenant conditions, huh? See Job 20:4-9 in the K.J.
and Obadiah 1:16

I wonder if E.G.W. agreed with 'me'? :smt038

---John
 
Satan has control over the world, but the Holy Spirit is the manifestation of God working in the world to defeat him.
 
For the 'couple' here that deny Satan's dominion over the 'world': What does it mean for us to 'live in the world'?
 
The book Of John tells us Christians are "called out of the world";

If you're living in the the world; you are tempting God's judgement.
 
Absolutely, but 'who' has dominion over the 'world' IS the question. You have answered it well my friend.

For we are told that we battle not against anything other than principalities and powers that we are 'barely' even aware of. These are what have 'dominion' over this world.
 
Imagican said:
Ah Solo,

So you would 'deny' what I have offered?

Satan IS the 'prince' of this world. Do you deny this too?

How could Satan have offered all the kingdoms of this world to Christ if they had NOT been his to give? Why will there be a 'final' battle on this planet if not to destroy the one who has dominion over it?

As stated before and I'll state again: The Bible is ONLY the BEGINNING of knowledge. There is MUCH that is not contained in scripture directly understandable to those that seek wisdom for the sake of nothing other than words. Give me the answer to the above questions and then I will offer you the scripture that you seek.

MEC
Perhaps you could give those of this forum the place where you gain your information that satan has dominion of this planet. If it isn't in God's Word, then you can share with us where you gain this knowledge.
Thanks.
 
Imagican said:
Absolutely, but 'who' has dominion over the 'world' IS the question. You have answered it well my friend.

As I SAID in my first post....

Satan has control over the world, but the Holy Spirit is the manifestation of God working in the world to defeat him.
 
I would question this statement in that the 'time' for Satan's defeat is NOT YET. For 'when' it is time, he WILL be defeated. Until then, he is free to dominate those that live 'for' him. He HAS dominion over this planet for it is 'stated' so.

Solo, I notice that you refused to answer the questions that I asked. I already told you that I WILL offer what you ask when you answer my questions. Until then, all I can deduce is that you would rather deny than learn. I am MORE than willing to teach, but certain things have to be understood before 'others'. As in math, one must FIRST learn to add and substract BEFORE they can go on to algebra. God's Word is NO different. One must FIRST learn the basics in order to understand the 'more advanced'.

Answer my questions and I'll 'give' you the scripture that you request.
 
Imagican said:
I would question this statement in that the 'time' for Satan's defeat is NOT YET. For 'when' it is time, he WILL be defeated. Until then, he is free to dominate those that live 'for' him. He HAS dominion over this planet for it is 'stated' so.

Solo, I notice that you refused to answer the questions that I asked. I already told you that I WILL offer what you ask when you answer my questions. Until then, all I can deduce is that you would rather deny than learn. I am MORE than willing to teach, but certain things have to be understood before 'others'. As in math, one must FIRST learn to add and substract BEFORE they can go on to algebra. God's Word is NO different. One must FIRST learn the basics in order to understand the 'more advanced'.

Answer my questions and I'll 'give' you the scripture that you request.
Your post is interesting but fails to include Biblical support. This seems to be common in your posts. If you had relevant scripture, I would know. You don't, and that is why you refuse to post it.
 
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