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Who have Authority over God’s Church?

TheWordIsOne

 
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Greetings

The Book of Acts begins in Jerusalem with the disciples huddled in a room on the Day of Pentecost.
Then the Holy Spirit came upon them and authorized them to be His witnesses.
The rest of Acts describes the ripple effect of that great event. Jesus’ followers first witnessed the world.

And they called them and charged them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it is right in the sight of God to hearken unto you rather than unto God, judge ye: for we cannot but speak the things which we saw and heard.
Acts 4:18-20 (ASV)

When human authority rejects God’s authority, it becomes twisted and loses its right to demand compliance (Acts 4: 5:29).
From the beginning, God’s people resisted any command that was against God’s will.

But the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
And when they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted.
And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Matt 28:16-20 (ASV)

Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; that in the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:9-11 (ASV)

God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders, and by manifold powers, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to his own will.
God's new order and His gifts to man

For not unto angels did he subject the world to come, whereof we speak.
But one hath somewhere testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honor, And didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Thou didst put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that, he subjected all things unto him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we see not yet all things subjected to him.
But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God, he should taste of death for every man.
Heb 2:4-9 (ASV)

And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou also shalt judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee a place of access among these that stand by.
Zech 3:6-7 (ASV)

Joshua was decommissioned as the nation’s high priest. For his faithfulness, he was promised the privilege of exercising authority over God’s temple-My house-and its
 


God the Father gave all authority and power to His Son, Jesus.

Jesus is the authority of the Church. He is the Lord of all His followers.

BTW, His church is not a man-made church.
BTW on Earth, the Saints have full authority over the House of God, through Holy Spirit, by Christ himself. But ye shall receive power (authority) when the Holy Spirit

And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Acts 4

But ye shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you: (the Saints) and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:8 (ASV)

Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.
1 John 3:2 (ASV)

No longer do I call you servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I heard from my Father, I have made known unto you...(the Saints)
John 15:15 (ASV)
 
Hi TheWordIsOne

Sorry to disagree. Jesus has all authority over his church. It's his church and he is doing the building. Now, the first apostles, anyway, did have authority over binding and loosing sin among the fellowship. But Jesus has never given over his authority over his church to anyone on the earth.

God bless,
Ted
 
Hi TheWordIsOne

Sorry to disagree. Jesus has all authority over his church. It's his church and he is doing the building. Now, the first apostles, anyway, did have authority over binding and loosing sin among the fellowship. But Jesus has never given over his authority over his church to anyone on the earth.

God bless,
Ted
Greetings
yes, you are right about binding and loosing, the apostle's mandate so what about the Key who gets or Keys?
to continue

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom
Matt 16:19 (KJV)
 
Greetings
yes, you are right about binding and loosing, the apostle's mandate so what about the Key who gets or Keys?
to continue

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom
Matt 16:19 (KJV)
In regards to: "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom"

According to the Catholics, by reason of succession, They hold the key.
Yahwah the Father is called "The Rock."

Now, did Christ want to build the church upon Peter? Or did he want to build the congregation upon Yahwah "The Rock?"

Matthew 7:25
The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on "The Rock."
 
In regards to: "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom"

According to the Catholics, by reason of succession, They hold the key.
Yahwah the Father is called "The Rock."

Now, did Christ want to build the church upon Peter? Or did he want to build the congregation upon Yahwah "The Rock?"

Matthew 7:25
The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on "The Rock."
Jesus renamed Simon as Rock ; kephas, (aramaic for rock) - translated as petros in Greek) and then said in Mt 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter [rock], and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
I'll go with scripture. :wink
 
Jesus renamed Simon as Rock ; kephas, (aramaic for rock) - translated as petros in Greek) and then said in Mt 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter [rock], and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
I'll go with scripture. :wink
Hi Mungo

I agree, Jesus was pretty clear that he's building 'his/my' church. It's his church and, therefore, has all authority over it.

God bless,
Ted
 
In regards to: "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom"

According to the Catholics, by reason of succession, They hold the key.
Yahwah the Father is called "The Rock."

Now, did Christ want to build the church upon Peter? Or did he want to build the congregation upon Yahwah "The Rock?"

Matthew 7:25
The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on "The Rock."
greetings
wrong way, not according to the Holy See, but to

Then He said, "Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground."
Moreover, He said, "I am the God of your father--the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
Ex 3:5-6 (NKJV)



Just a shadow of things to come
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“Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain.
Exodus 25:40

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They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven.
When Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain.”
Hebrews 8:5

Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8

That is why the Tabernacle and everything in it, which were copies of things in heaven, had to be purified by the blood of animals. But the real things in heaven had to be purified with far better sacrifices than the blood of animals.
For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with human hands, which was only a copy of the true one in heaven He entered into heaven itself to appear now before God on our behalf.
Hebrews 9:23-24

Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
But in those sacrifices, there is a reminder of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:1-3

Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8


These rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
Colossians 2:17

Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8

It was symbolic of the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience--
Hebrews 9:9

Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8

David also gave Solomon all the plans he had in mind for the courtyards of the LORD’s Temple, the outside rooms, the treasuries, and the rooms for the gifts dedicated to the LORD.
1 Chronicle 28:12

Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8

But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also a Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Hebrews 8:6

Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8


For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah--
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD.
Hebrews 8:7-9


Christ is the same yesterday as in time passed, and the same today, forevermore.
Hebrews 13:8

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2 (KJV)

salvation is an experience
“Ho! Everyone who thirsts,
Come to the waters;
And you who have no money,
Come, buy, and eat.
Yes, come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without price.
Why do you [a]spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And let your soul delight itself in abundance.
Isaiah 55:1-2

The Vatican is its own authority, not commissioned by Christ
 
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In your opinion.
No, it's there!
did you read What is the Law?

Eternal sins, Unforgivable sins, Unpardonable sins, or Ultimate sins are which are not forgiven by God
What counts as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

The unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Blasphemy includes ridicule and attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.
The Unpardonable Sins
Trampoline under foot, with the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:28-31)
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who has Trampoline the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
that great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified every day this is blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness but is in danger of eternal damnation:

In Matthew 12:30-33 (NKJV) He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Matthew 12: 31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Matthew 12: 33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.

For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who set their mind on earthly things.
Phil 3:18-19 (NKJV)

Phil 3: that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ
The Vatican's own authority, not commissioned by Christ's enemies of the cross

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. (prison)
Revelation 11:7-9
(NKJV)

The Great City (Vatican City) which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord is being crucified.
Revelation 11:7-9

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where also our Lord was crucified, their Sunday service crucifies Christ's name spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt (Vatican City)
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Sunday service
And God of Israel does not give any opinion, just two things love following with Judgment
 
No, it's there!
did you read What is the Law?
Eternal sins, Unforgivable sins, Unpardonable sins, or Ultimate sins are which are not forgiven by God
What counts as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

The unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Blasphemy includes ridicule and attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.
The Unpardonable Sins
Trampoline under foot, with the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:28-31)

OIP-17.jpg
who has Trampoline the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
that great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified every day this is blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness but is in danger of eternal damnation:

In Matthew 12:30-33 (NKJV) He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Matthew 12: 31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Matthew 12: 33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.

For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who set their mind on earthly things.
Phil 3:18-19 (NKJV)

Phil 3: that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ
The Vatican's own authority, not commissioned by Christ's enemies of the cross

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. (prison)
Revelation 11:7-9
(NKJV)

If you think those quotes contradict Purgatory then you do not understand what the doctrine is.
And you should not spout off your opions about something to do not understand.


The Great City (Vatican City) which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord is being crucified.
Revelation 11:7-9

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Untrue
where also our Lord was crucified, their Sunday service crucifies Christ's name spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt (Vatican City)
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Untrue
Sunday service
And God of Israel does not give any opinion, just two things love following with Judgment

What is that supposed to be claiming?
 
If you think those quotes contradict Purgatory then you do not understand what the doctrine is.
And you should not spout off your opions about something to do not understand.




Untrue


Untrue


What is that supposed to be claiming?
greetings
but I do, Do you want me to show you, or do you deny the truth


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
For her sins have reached heaven, and God has remembered all of her iniquities.
Revelation 18:4-5


You have forsaken Me," says the Lord, "You have gone backward. Therefore I will stretch out My hand against you and destroy you; I am weary of relenting!
Jeremiah 15:6

Ezekiel 33:4-6 (ESV) if anyone who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life.
But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, that person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.
 
greetings
but I do, Do you want me to show you, or do you deny the truth

You obviously do not.

But if you think you do then give me your understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches about Purgatory.

And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
For her sins have reached heaven, and God has remembered all of her iniquities.
Revelation 18:4-5


You have forsaken Me," says the Lord, "You have gone backward. Therefore I will stretch out My hand against you and destroy you; I am weary of relenting!
Jeremiah 15:6

Ezekiel 33:4-6 (ESV) if anyone who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life.
But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, that person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.

What have those quotes to do with Purgatory?
Answer - nothing.
 
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Yopu obviously do not.


What have those quotes to do with Purgatory?
Answer - nothing.
greetings
Sorry, there is no purgatory, the word say?

If I may
But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 8:12 (NKJV)

Outer Darkness! The abyss, no purgatory,
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The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:13-14 (NKJV)

into the Lake of Sin, the wages of sin is death This is the second death, and no purgatory
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23​

For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.
To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life.
And who is sufficient for these things?
For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.
2 Cor 2:15-17 (NKJV)
 
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greetings
Sorry, there is no purgatory, the word say?

If I may
But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 8:12 (NKJV)

Outer Darkness! The abyss, no purgatory,
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The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:13-14 (NKJV)

into the Lake of Sin, the wages of sin is death This is the second death, and no purgatory
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23​

For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.
To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life.
And who is sufficient for these things?
For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.
2 Cor 2:15-17 (NKJV)
Nothing to do with the Caholic doctrine of Purgatory.
Seems like you are just trolling.
 


God the Father gave all authority and power to His Son, Jesus.

Jesus is the authority of the Church. He is the Lord of all His followers.

BTW, His church is not a man-made church.
He gave this authority to Peter in Matt 16:18-19 and the apostles in Matt 18:18 28:19-20 and Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20
Thanks
 
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