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Who is Given Eternal Life ?

I'm sorry, Childeye. You have responded meticulously, and I was wrong to say you don't listen. I should have said you don't hear, and apparently I don't hear what you say either if I've misstated your beliefs. I'll certainly try harder to guard my tongue in the future....it can be such an unbridled thing, can't it? :oops

A very pleasant response glorydaz, I am not dissappointed in you and I have your back. Yes the tongue is an unbridled thing. So much so that Jesus said what comes out of the mouth defiles a man according to what is in the heart. This is why shining the light in the dark places of the heart is necessary that we might be pure of heart. This is why I argue against a freewill and why I knew you were mistaken. For it is true I have answered meticulously, and this truth you were forced to comply with or in your conscience you would be a liar. Hence Christ in you would not allow it, and Christ in me must forgive it, since I know I am no better than you and you no different than I. We are only human. But it is Christ that has become our righteousness, and this through His suffering and ressurection, praised is his name unto the glory of God forever.
 
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A very pleasant response glorydaz, I am not dissappointed in you and I have your back. Yes the tongue is an unbridled thing. So much so that Jesus said what comes out of the mouth defiles a man according to what is in the heart. This is why shining the light in the dark places of the heart is necessary that we might be pure of heart. This is why I argue against a freewill and why I knew you were mistaken. For it is true I have answered meticulously and this truth you were forced to comply with or in your conscience you would be a liar. Hence Christ in you would not allow it and Christ in me must forgive it, since I know I am no better than you and you no different than I. But it is Christ that has become our righteousness, and this through His suffering and ressurection, praised is his name unto the glory of God forever.

I had to choose to obey the Lord's prompting on this.
You may believe I was very tempted not to - the pride of life, you know.

You said, "This is why I argue against a freewill and why I knew you were mistaken."

Nope, I have great confidence that I am not mistaken about free will. If you're thinking I was forced by the Holy Spirit to admit I was wrong, you're mistaken. I know because I have disobeyed the Holy Spirit's voice in the past and I was soundly chastened. ;)
 
I had to choose to obey the Lord's prompting on this.
You may believe I was very tempted not to - the pride of life, you know.

You said, "This is why I argue against a freewill and why I knew you were mistaken."

Nope, I have great confidence that I am not mistaken about free will. If you're thinking I was forced by the Holy Spirit to admit I was wrong, you're mistaken. I know because I have disobeyed the Holy Spirit's voice in the past and I was soundly chastened. ;)
A good comeback, I understand your intent. You are saying you had to choose the Lord's prompting which is no different than what I said, as in you could not resist the will of the Father. Then you say,
"You may believe I was very tempted not to - the pride of life, you know". Apart from my being unable to accept it was that tempting, we agree again regarding "the pride of life".

We are close in understanding one another, for I would point out that scripture says that Satan is the king over the children of pride, but You have not given into such pride and that is because you are not his. Nor would your Godly Love allow you to sell me out for the sake of your pride. You can call it your freewill but it is not. The children of God do the works of their Father and the children of the devil do his works. This is determinism therefore, choices made by antecedent events, the manifesting of the children of God and the children of the devil which must come to harvest as the wheat and the tares.

For you to prove to me as a child of God that you have a freewill according to your use of the term, you must be able to choose to rape and murder children, steal from the poor and elderly, choke cute little puppies with your bare hands etc... For you to prove you have a freewill as a child of Satan, you must be able to choose to turn the other cheek, return good to those who do evil, give all you own to charity, bear a cross and forgive those who crucified you upon it, etc...

Needless to say through this dramatization, I don't believe you could do this as this is not who you are. It is the presence or absence of the Love of God and the Truth of God that will determine our choices. That is why righteousness is by faith not freewill. P.S. without His chastening where would we be? Without correction on a path towards death. So we should say thank you God, not thank myself because I chose to be chastened.
 
Evidence of Being Chosen in the Son !

To Receive Eternal Life in time vitally, is evidence of having been Chosen in the Son of God before the foundation of the world, because He was that Eternal Life which was with the Father in the beginning 1 jn 2:

1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us )

And our Life was in Him at that same date, thats what John means in Jn 1:

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Now God at Creation gave to all mankind Natural and Mortal life in the First Man Adam of the Earth, and He has given by generation of Himself, to all the Children of the Second Adam or Son of God, Eternal Life. The Life given us in Adam [was a gift from God] our natural fleshly life, in its nature and kind, is temporal and corruptible, and evil and depraved, but it was given [not offered or made available] to us in Adam by the Creative Power of God;

But on the other hand, those of us who are Truly saved, Our Spiritual and Eternal life has it's source of origin in the Eternal God, in His Son, the Divine Son of God, it is and was Hid with Christ in God, God the Word Jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

4In him [The Word which was God] was life[Of the chosen ones in Him eph 1:4]; and the life was the light of men.

col 3:
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For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Jn 1:4


1 jn1:

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us )

And it was given us in Christ[Son of God] according to the record 1 jn 5:

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Its implied as well in 2 tim 1:


9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This Life is Christ, and proceeds out of the Father, of which the begotten Son of God is One see Jn 10:30; Jn 1:14. This entitles us to regeneration or new birth, ensuring our vital relationship in time, as Sons of God and having been joint Heirs with Christ.
 
To give eternal life to as many as thou hast given me.

Jn 17:1-4

1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

The giving of Eternal life to [not all mankind] but the as many as the Father hath given Him, this is conditioned upon one thing! And thats in vs 4, finishing the work, which The Father gave Him to do, on their behalf, for their benefit. Now what was that work He was to finish ?

Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

This scripture has more to do with His fulfilling scripture promise, that He would die for the sins of the People, its now finished. Prophecies like Dan 9:24

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So the Work of reconciliation has been accomplished, that was His work in Jn 17:4

And because of this finished work, He is to give, not offer, not make available, but give Eternal life to as many as The Father hath given Him..

Thats why its written as a gift through Him Rom 6:23


23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This Gift of Eternal Life is given to as many as The Father hath given Him, Jesus Christ..
 
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV

That's nice but if god truly loved the world (or rather the people) wouldn't it make more sense to provide a temptation-free world for us to live in?

I mean, the bible says he's going to destroy the devil one day. One day. He could've done this thousands of years ago before creating man but for reasons known only to him, which he will not divulge, he did not. It's better to have thousands of years of suffering instead. Because he loves us!

So he "gave his only son" - his only real son, since we are all his sons. But that's really a misleading statement: his son came to earth for a while, set us up for two thousand years of religious carnage, then left again. The total of 33 years is a blink of an eye for an immortal. How is that "giving his son to the world"? His son came to earth on a task - that's all!

Eternal life - if there is such a thing - is for everyone. Latching onto this or that specific brand of religious position and exclusivity is just hot air.
 


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Tim 2:4

who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

If God desires all men to be saved, I don't think he would limit it to a specific people?

If God desires all men saved, why would he only approach a few through the spirit?


Can Adam condemn “all” to death, but Christ can only bring “some” to life? Adam condemned us all to hell with no freewill or choice of our on, but Christ can only redeem us through the use of our freewill and making correct choices. Reading many of the post here it appears in one case, God can’t save all because of “free” will; in the other case, God won’t save all because of election. Which is it, one or both, neither make sense to me.

The free will is often confusing to many, as myself, none of us really have freewill, most of our beliefs are set in early childhood by parents, culture, political system, etc.. Most of the "free will" choices we make are based on how we're indoctrinated by all the many factors that surround us. Our free will is flawed by our failed humanity, yet our eternal life depends of it. Has salvation become luck of the culture you were born? If you or I were born in Iran, we would be indoctrinated from birth to be muslim and a 99% chance that would be our belief, same for buddist in China, Hindu's in India, etc....?

Jesus said that He came to save the world and that He would draw (literally “drag”) all men to Himself, yet it appears the mass of humanity will face eternal torture. The majority of humanity since Christ didn't hear the gospel, it took over 400 years for it just to start reaching Europe after Christ said he was the "only way", another 1000 until it reached the America's. Numerous millions have never heard, if Christ is the only way, were they simply not chosen for salvation? If they're somehow saved by just believing in God, his creation or judged by works or age of accountability, then it appears we have many salvation plans other than Christ..

It's difficult, God is love, yet it appears that he knew before he created that he would eventually place most of his creation in hell to be tortured for all eternity..Seems love would at least
annihilate these billions of souls, rather than eternal torment, what purpose does it serve?
 
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Those whom the Father has given to Christ [Election] are those whom He died for and gives to them Eternal Life.

More evidence of this is seen in John 10, Jesus states 10:

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [Or they shall know Him]

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. see Ps 100:3; 1 Cor 8:3

All the Father has Chosen for Salvation He gave to the Son for preservation Jude 1:1

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

This word preserved is in the greek a perfect passive participle and its the word tereo :

To take care of, to guard, to attend to carefully

And this has been done once and for all in the past and continues into the present. This attending is even before the call of the gospel. Jesus said, other sheep I have Jn 10:16 and they shall hear my voice [in the Gospel].

Now in Jn 10 Jesus speaks of those He gives Eternal Life to, whom He says in Jn 17:2 as those whom the Father gave Him. He calls them " My Sheep" and states that they shall never Perish Jn 10:27-28.

We see unmistakably that those whom Jesus died for He calls His Sheep, and no He did not die for goats who later become sheep, thats a lie from the imagination of men. He does not just call them Sheep, but specifically His Sheep, meaning they belong to Him.

Now who again are these Sheep ? Jesus says it is those who are hearing His voice and are believing on Him. Those who do not believe on Him or not hearing His voice, simply He says "are not of my Sheep " ! They are not His [Jn 10:26], He never knew them [Matt 7:23]

Jesus says " Everyone that is of the Truth heareth my voice " Jn 18:37

37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

His [ Regenerated] Sheep are those that are of the Truth and Hear His voice and follow Him Jn 10:3-5

In Jn 10:27 He says that His Sheep hear His voice and that He knows them and they follow Him .

In vs 28 He says that He gives unto them Eternal Life [Jn 17:2] and they shall never perish. Now in vs 29 He makes known who these Sheep are and how they became His Sheep "

29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

How much plainer could Jesus have made this, God gave them to The Lord Jesus, and He gave Himself for them, and to these He gives Eternal Life [Jn 17:2] and NO OTHERS !
 
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John 17:2

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Where in this scripture does it say that Christ should give Eternal life to those given to Him by His Father, condtioned on if they believe in Him ? Christ never said that or implied it.
 
A Divinely Given People !


John 17:2,6,8

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Those whom Christ came to seek and to save are a Divinely given People, and all such people will receive God's word vs6,8

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

And receiving God's word is the same as Receiving Christ Jn 12:48


48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

And so those who did receive Him as in Jn 1:12

12But [B]as many as received him[/b], to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

That is the "as many as" in Jn 17:2

A Divinely given people shall receive God's word !

John 6:37

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Interestingly enough the word come here as in shall come to me, is the greek word hēkō and means:

to come to one, i.e. to seek an intimacy with one, become his follower:

So Jesus is saying, all that the Father has given Him shall become His followers.

Thats why Jesus says in Jn 10:27-29

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

So its the Sheep being referred to both in Jn 17:2 and Jn 6:37 A Divinely Given People.
 
Heb 6:17 The Heirs of Promise !

17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

Now who are the Heirs of Promise ? Its Abraham's seed in Christ, for Christ is Heir of Promise and those who are true believers in Him Gal 3:16.29

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You see that, in vs 16 Christ singular is specified as Abraham's seed to whom the promises were made and in vs 29 believers plural are specified as Abraham's seed, thats because Christ and believers are One, as He is the Head of His Body which consists of many members..

And so the Heirs of Promise are all those whom have Eternal Life in Christ, who is their Eternal Life 1 Jn 1:1-2

1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)

It or He Jesus Christ, Eternal Life was manifested to His Apostles because they were Heirs of Promise, and so will it be manifested to all the Heirs of Promise in due time..

God will be Faithful to the seed or heirs of Promise in bringing to pass their experiential receiving of Eternal life here in this life to begin Rom 4:13-17


13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Now the Heirs by Nature are children of wrath even as others, and are born spiritually dead and alienated from the Life of God..

But because they are Heirs, they will receive a Divine quickening call from the dead [as Lazarus] to begin to experience their Eternal Inheritance Heb 9:15

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

This is because Eternal Life to them has been promised by God through the Head of the Seed Christ Jesus 1 Jn 2:25

25And this is the promise that he hath promised us[The Heirs of Promise], even eternal life.

Eternal Life is not a conditional offer to everyone without exception, but a Promise given to those who are Heirs of Promise..

This is based on the Everlasting Covenant made with Christ their Head, and they in Him, which God cannot break Jer 32:40

40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Also this promise secures that the recipients cannot break, or depart from God.

In this verse we have Two Promises on God's Part #1 That He will not turn away from them to do them [Heirs] Good and 2 God has promised to put His fear in their hearts, that they shall not turn away from Him or apostatize..

And God demonstrates these things to the Heirs of promise from generation to generation until the end of the world..Heb 6:17

17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

This is the True Gospel. (Isaiah 52:7).

TGBTG!
 
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV

That's nice but if god truly loved the world (or rather the people) wouldn't it make more sense to provide a temptation-free world for us to live in?

OK, this is a fair question, why make it so difficult? Long ago, prior to Gen 1:2, God created a great being named Lucifer. He was perfect...

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Perfect right up until iniquity, i.e. lawlessness, developed in him. He then began to do things in a very wrong fashion. God calls this sin. It is the breaking of His Law. God has a plan to bring many children into His family. The issue is, He does not want to give these children eternal life with the power of God unless He knows they will always choose the right...

Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

The destiny of man is to become the son of God and be over all things but God does not intend to give eternal life to "punks" who go about shooting babies in the face, stealing, and generally wreaking havoc. So, He divised a great incubator called earth. He put His creation here in a temporary condition we call flesh. He then set a choice before these children to be of His...

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God made the rules, our choice is whether to live by them or not. We can live by His rules or die by choosing our own.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

To those that choose the way of life (verse 20 above), He gives eternal life. To those who choose their own way (Rev 22:14-15), He simply puts them out of existence forever...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

God will not have millions or even billions of "little Satans" running around His universe (both physical and spiritual, there is a creation we cannot see) forever.

mean, the bible says he's going to destroy the devil one day. One day. He could've done this thousands of years ago before creating man but for reasons known only to him, which he will not divulge, he did not. It's better to have thousands of years of suffering instead. Because he loves us!

The Devil has actually been instrumental in achieving God's plan. Sometimes the Devil has been fooled into doing God's work. Here is an example.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So, now all men have the death penalty hanging over their heads. God foresaw this and already had a plan of redemption...

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Now the Devil and his demons and even God's angels do not know all the details. God has reserved these to Himself...

1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

God has not shared all with the angels. Now for the unique method God used to accomplish His plan...

Mat 26:47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
Mat 26:48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
Mat 26:49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.

Now where did this come from?

Joh 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Joh 13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

Joh 13:21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

Joh 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Now when Christ was buried in the tomb, who do you suppose was turning back flips with joy and prancing around outside, thinking to himself, "I got you!"? The Devil of course.

Christ came to die for us, to pay the penalty for our sins. Now...

1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

What princes?

Dan 10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.
Dan 10:2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
Dan 10:3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Dan 10:10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.
Dan 10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.
Dan 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

What prince of Persia withstood an angel for three weeks? A human one? One that coudl fight against Michael? Here is an example of the power of angels...

2Ki 19:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

He is talking about...

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Now in the case of the crucifixion, Satan thought that he had one, that he had killed Christ. Inactuality, Satan had played into the hands of God and caused the perfect sacrifice to occur that provides payment for our sins so that we may receive salvation. If he had known the whole story, Satan would have moved heaven and earth to prevent Christ's death and keep Him alive. There would be no payment for our sins and we would all be dead. There would be no perfect sacrifice to take away sin...

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

We would not build the character to always choose the right and do it.

So he "gave his only son" - his only real son, since we are all his sons. But that's really a misleading statement: his son came to earth for a while, set us up for two thousand years of religious carnage, then left again. The total of 33 years is a blink of an eye for an immortal. How is that "giving his son to the world"? His son came to earth on a task - that's all!

Eternal life - if there is such a thing - is for everyone. Latching onto this or that specific brand of religious position and exclusivity is just hot air.

Eternal life is for those who surrender to God and build the character needed to wield the power of God for eternity. The denial of this is not latching on to hot air, it is being burned to ashes in the Lake of Fire...

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
 
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