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Who is Jesus?

OzSpen,
Read this below and tell me what you see in the underlined sections:
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
KJV
Judg 3:10 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rishathaim.
KJV
Do you see three separate ones, but they all are considered God?
LORD, Lord GOD, the Spirit?
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
We can always believe that the Spirit is part of God, but somehow we always want to deny The Word as part of Him~
The word of the Father as in these last days God has spoken to us by His Son. The God who thundered the words "This is MY SON whom I love with Him I am well pleased " The Holy Spirit does speak what He hears and bears witness as in "those that listen to and learn from The Father go to the Son" The Spirit searches the deep thoughts of the mind of the Spirit and carries out that will.

Who do you say that I Am?
Peter replied , "you are the Christ the Son of the living God"
 
Is it possible that you could not see that I was showing in scripture that there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are all 3 one God. I do not name it as a label of belief, just as I don't believe in denominations, for there is just one Word and Truth, not many versions of the truth. I don't know why that is important to you for me to say.
I think I made it even more clear by showing you the scriptures which are more true than what I say, that the Father, The Son(The Word) and the Holy Spirit are all three mentioned in the Bible as one God according to the Bible?
I showed you that the names Lord whom is Jesus The Word, LORD who is the Father and Spirit are in the Old testament and they all 3 considered God when they appear in the Bible. Didn't you see how the LORD came to Abram, yet Abram called him Lord GOD meaning Jesus the Christ of God or The Word? That is not the only place, there are many places, that this occurs yet no one thinks that it is another god, but understands it is the one true God.
If you believe that the Spirit is God, then why wouldn't The Word be God?The Father is Head over His Word, so Jesus the Son is under the Father as is the Holy Ghost. They are a family unit,
Do you believe that Jesus is the head of his body and that we are all one with him as children of God and joint heirs with him and that when the Fathers sees us, He sees us as Jesus hidden under the blood?
Hopefully my answer satisfies your question, because that is all I can give you. Please, Let's let scripture speak the truth, not try to pinpoint me down to what I or any man thinks.
Ps 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. KJV
1 Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

KJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

KJV
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

KJV
In an attempt to bring some clarification as to what you believe:

1. Do you believe that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, in such a way that there is only one God but yet these three "persons" remain distinct?

Or,

2. Do you believe that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, in such a way that there is only one God and that these three are one and the same "person" in different manifestations?
 
4a,
Like yourself I can quote scripture al day long and never tel anyone anything but that is neither Christian nor is it conversational. If your avatar is you, you are a nice looking youngster but that will not purchase a ticket to Saigon. People here are seeking to know you, most of us are very saved but we seek to know one another to know one another to grow the Kingdom of God on the Earth. Please do not be catty any more, it is most ugly.
 
In an attempt to bring some clarification as to what you believe:

1. Do you believe that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, in such a way that there is only one God but yet these three "persons" remain distinct?

Or,

2. Do you believe that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, in such a way that there is only one God and that these three are one and the same "person" in different manifestations?

Here is what I came up with......
I have read all the post about 4 times and I have seen many times where she did answer your questions.
She may have not just wrote out the answer alone that you seek but she did answer. Here are two of them

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. ((She would not have posted this if she did not believe this way))

The Bible says that Jesus is the Word, so why is that so hard to accept that I believe him to be the Word of God and not the Father, nor the Spirit, yet God?

So in all of this I would say she believes in three different beings of one.
4afaithfulone if I have mis spoken forgive me
Have a wonderful week.
 
John 14:9-10
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

In these last days God has spoken to us by His Son. Hebrews 1

God with us

R.
 
I believe... YHWH is Jesus Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God. In the Old Testament, we read the following proclamation by our Lord YHWH himself....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I believe YHWH of old is Jesus Christ himself, the Son of the invisible Almighty God Father... of whom no man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name have been revealed to anyone at this time...

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3)....

Scripture also tells us that YHWH is the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.

Later, YHWH, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world and was made flesh to save us from our sins. He became known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

Note: I believe the Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.
 
I believe... YHWH is Jesus Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God.
I believe the invisible God is YHWH (the Father) and His Son is Yeshua (Jesus).

In the Old Testament, we read the following proclamation by our Lord YHWH himself....

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I believe YHWH of old is Jesus Christ himself, the Son of the invisible Almighty God Father... of whom no man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name have been revealed to anyone at this time...
You are reading the Son into the text. Who is the "servant" in that verse? Israel. Israel's God is YHWH. Consider that in the light of Acts 3:13;

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Yeshua; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
The God of Israel (Jacob) is YHWH. He is the God of our fathers. YHWH glorified His Son Yeshua.

YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and there was light.” (Gen 1:3)....
Again, you are reading the Son into the text.

Scripture also tells us that YHWH is the ONLY God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him, there was none... neither there shall be after him.
God was not "physically formed". He is a Spirit (John 4:24). The "God" of Isa 43:10 that you are referring to is Father YHWH, the Father of Yeshua.

Later, YHWH, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our world and was made flesh to save us from our sins. He became known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
I would put it this way; YHWH sent His Son into our world and was made flesh to save us from our sins. He became known as Yeshua Messiah in the New Testament.

Note: I believe the Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.
Good. I agree.
 
1st Timothy 3:16 says that God became flesh (Jesus).

Thomas, upon seeing Jesus resurrected kneeled and said...."My Lord and my GOD", and Jesus didn't correct him.

Jesus told the Pharisees , John 8: 58 "Before Abraham was, I AM", and "I AM" is how God has described Himself.

 
1st Timothy 3:16 says that God became flesh (Jesus).
The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Most modern versions have corrected this erroneous reading of the KJV.

Thomas, upon seeing Jesus resurrected kneeled and said...."My Lord and my GOD", and Jesus didn't correct him.
Yeshua did not correct him because Thomas did NOT say "GOD". He spoke either Hebrew or Aramaic, not English. In both languages, the word translated "God" was used in reference to men. Even in Greek, the language in which we received this verse, the word "theos" is used of men as well. Thomas would have said, "My lord and my mighty one" or something similar.

Jesus told the Pharisees , John 8: 58 "Before Abraham was, I AM", and "I AM" is how God has described Himself.
The Greek of John 8:58 is not the same as the Greek Septuagint for Exodus 3:14.
In the Greek Septuagint (LXX), Ex 3:14 reads,

Exodus_3_14.jpg

In Septuagint English it reads, "And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you."

In KJV English it reads, "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

In John 8:58, "I am" is "
ego_eimi.jpg
" in Greek. As you can see, "
ego_eimi_000.jpg
" in Ex 3:14 is just the prelude to what the Almighty really wanted the Israelites to know, that is, that He was the "
image704.gif
" or "the Being" or "the Existing One".

If Yeshua truly wanted to tell the Jews he was the great "I am" of Ex 3:14, he would have said, "Before Abraham was I am the Being" or "I am the Existing One".
 
4Pillars:
Note: I believe the Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.

jocor:
Good. I agree.


4Pillars:
Genesis 1 uses the word "Elohim" for God, but in Genesis 2:4 Scripture uses the word "YHWH" for God thy Maker. Elohim is a Plural Name and means The Judges. YHWH is a singular name and is the name of the LORD.

The LORD is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. The LORD is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. He is the express Image or the Physical Incarnation of Godhead, bodily (physically). YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. IF you have seen the Son... you have seen the Father.

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Therefore, YHWH, who appeared on several occasions in some sort of physical forms in the old testament (the only God physically formed - to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people) could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father, but the Son himself (YHWH), the Christ.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never change.
 
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Jocor, all of what you have said must always be reconciled to the first three verses of John. Jesus, before He was born, a man, created everything... He is Yaweh, the God of both Testaments.
 
Jocor, all of what you have said must always be reconciled to the first three verses of John. Jesus, before He was born, a man, created everything... He is Yaweh, the God of both Testaments.

Exactly.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Colossians 1:16

""""""because by him (Jesus) were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.""""
 
One day back in 2004 or so. I was watching a Christian program where they were asking an unbelieving Jewish man why many of them could not accept Jesus as their Messiah. I listened to hear his response in anticipation for I did not know why.

He said, because the Christian's worship pictures of a man calling it an image of God. If he were God, he would not allow us to worship these images, He told us not to worship any images as God!
Hi faithful, The born again believer already knows what God looks like. He looks like JESUS.(John 14: 7-12) The Son has revealed the Father and is the exact representation of His being. (John 10: 25-38) (Heb. 1: 1-3) ( John 1:1-5) God has given us a portrait of Himself. (Luke 15: 11-32) The born again believer has no visual picture, but the Spiritual vision of God, which is the power of life eternal. This is the body of Christ or His sheep who hear His voice and heed the strangers voice (self willed religion). The born again Christian looks at none of mans picture's of Christ. The OT gives a picture of the physical stature of Christ. (Isiah. 53: 1:1-3; 1:4-12). Christ is born in us (the new man), all others are are (Rev. 3: 14-22) The Church at Loadicea. Notice that Christ is knocking at the door, not that they would come out, but that He could come in.

In Christ
Douglas Summers




 
Genesis 1 uses the word "Elohim" for God, but in Genesis 2:4 Scripture uses the word "YHWH" for God thy Maker. Elohim is a Plural Name and means The Judges. YHWH is a singular name and is the name of the LORD.
Gen 2:4 uses "YHWH Elohim". By using YHWH, it is identifying which elohim. Elohim is not a "Plural Name". It is a title that appears in plural form, but can be either singular or plural depending on the context. Its plural sense can be seen in Ex.12:12, "For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods (elohim) of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am Yahweh." Its singular sense can be seen in 1 Sam.5:7, ". . . and upon Dagon our god (elohim)" and 2 Kgs.1:2, ". . . Go, enquire of Baal-zebub the god (elohim) of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease."

The LORD is the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God. He is the express Image or the Physical Incarnation of Godhead, bodily (physically). YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will ever see and witness. IF you have seen the Son... you have seen the Father.
If YHWH is the Son's name, then what is the Father's name? YHWH did NOT become a man and die because YHWH has inherent immortality. Those who have seen the Son have not literally seen the Father, but only the express image of Him (Heb 1:3). No man has seen the Father/God (John 5:37; 1Jo 4:12)

Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them
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Therefore, YHWH, who appeared on several occasions in some sort of physical forms in the old testament (the only God physically formed - to be seen and witnessed by many of his chosen people) could not have been the invisible Almighty God Father, but the Son himself (YHWH), the Christ.
You added the words "(in physical form)". The Hebrew word can be understood literally or figuratively. God has never been seen by man. It was the Angel of YHWH that our fathers were seeing. He was the representative of YHWH.
 
Jocor, all of what you have said must always be reconciled to the first three verses of John.
Sorry Bill, but you have that backwards. It is the first three verses of John that must be reconciled with the entirety of Scripture.
Jesus, before He was born, a man, created everything...
Did the Father create as well or just the Son?
He is Yaweh, the God of both Testaments.
That does not harmonize with Acts 3:13;
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Yeshua; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.​
This teaches us that the God of he OT was NOT the Son.
 
jocor who is this verse speaking of ?
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
 
jocor who is this verse speaking of ?
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Father YHWH. Those words are addressed to "him that sits on the throne" (vss.9-10). In Rev 5:6-7 we see the Lamb taking the book out of the right hand of "him that sat upon the throne." The Creator sits on the throne and the Lamb stands before Him.
 
Sorry Bill, but you have that backwards. It is the first three verses of John that must be reconciled with the entirety of Scripture.
I'm sorry to see youŕe going to try nit picking but it will not stand. It matters not in the least where you come from, I begin at John 1 and you, say, with Isaiah 53 but it makes no difference, all scripture 'must' be reconciled for it is written to one audience, man, and is inspired, authored through secretaries, by one author, God. Jesus, the Son, God, the Father and the Holy Spirit, three persons, one God, not created but always have been. Jesus, the Son, created as the Father wills.
 
The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Most modern versions have corrected this erroneous reading of the KJV.


Yeshua did not correct him because Thomas did NOT say "GOD". He spoke either Hebrew or Aramaic, not English. In both languages, the word translated "God" was used in reference to men. Even in Greek, the language in which we received this verse, the word "theos" is used of men as well. Thomas would have said, "My lord and my mighty one" or something similar.

The Greek of John 8:58 is not the same as the Greek Septuagint for Exodus 3:14.
In the Greek Septuagint (LXX), Ex 3:14 reads,

Exodus_3_14.jpg

In Septuagint English it reads, "And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you."

In KJV English it reads, "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

In John 8:58, "I am" is "
ego_eimi.jpg
" in Greek. As you can see, "
ego_eimi_000.jpg
" in Ex 3:14 is just the prelude to what the Almighty really wanted the Israelites to know, that is, that He was the "
image704.gif
" or "the Being" or "the Existing One".

If Yeshua truly wanted to tell the Jews he was the great "I am" of Ex 3:14, he would have said, "Before Abraham was I am the Being" or "I am the Existing One

May I ask where you got your degrees in biblical Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew?
 
Gen 2:4 uses "YHWH Elohim". By using YHWH, it is identifying which elohim. Elohim is not a "Plural Name". It is a title that appears in plural form, but can be either singular or plural depending on the context. Its plural sense can be seen in Ex.12:12, "For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods (elohim) of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am Yahweh." Its singular sense can be seen in 1 Sam.5:7, ". . . and upon Dagon our god (elohim)" and 2 Kgs.1:2, ". . . Go, enquire of Baal-zebub the god (elohim) of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease."

If YHWH is the Son's name, then what is the Father's name? YHWH did NOT become a man and die because YHWH has inherent immortality. Those who have seen the Son have not literally seen the Father, but only the express image of Him (Heb 1:3). No man has seen the Father/God (John 5:37; 1Jo 4:12)

You added the words "(in physical form)". The Hebrew word can be understood literally or figuratively. God has never been seen by man. It was the Angel of YHWH that our fathers were seeing. He was the representative of YHWH.

All insertions made in my quotes are in enclosed parenthesis and obviously meant for clarity of presentation...and for the readers better understanding only. Therefore, the argument above have no merit and moot.

Here’s what Jesus Christ told the Jewish Scribes / Hebrew Scholars.... who were seeking to have him killed during the time of his mission here on earth.... who also insisted and proclaimed that.. Yĕhovah is their God... not knowing His Actual Nature as their only God... during the OT.

John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? v54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: v55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. v58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,Before Abraham was, I AM.

No one knows the name of the invisible Almighty God Father at this time ... until one overcometh the end.

Rev. 3:12 HIM THAT OVERCOMETH will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: AND I WILL WRITE UPON HIM THE NAME OF MY GOD, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev, 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; AND HE HAD A NAME WRITTEN, THAT NO MAN KNEW, BUT HIMSELF.


Eph 3:14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named....

Conclusion: Yĕhovah is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God Almighty.

 
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