Who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it.

[JLB]

Exodus 31:12 Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep, Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. Exodus 31:16

Exodus 31:12-18, Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

We are suppose to be The Israel of God: was understood as a name for the Church here. Galatians 6:16

Brother,

I asked for scriptures from Jesus or Paul... That directs us to keep the Sabbath as under the law of Moses.

Clearly, under the New Covenant, the laws have changed, since the priesthood has changed.

We are not under Levitical authority, but under Christ as the High Priest, as He is the Mediator of the New Covenant.

That is why the OC was under the law of Moses, and the NC is under the law of Christ.

Hebrews 7:12.

The priesthood being changed, there is also a change in the law.

Please sir, reference the scriptures where the Church leadership taught and directed members of the New Covenant to keep the Sabbath as under the law of Moses.


JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Wishing i had better use of language.. this next question is not a snark and not meant to sound or be rude ... Do you let your lawn and other plants die every seventh year?

Is it evil to do anything good even on the Sabbaths day? or New International Version Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" Mark 3:4

Without a plan to do things esp. on the Sabbaths, for an example: I shall not want to do things on the Sabbath, that I would do throughout the week days. such as work, or anything that I would do for the Sabbaths sunset Friday until sunset Saturday.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Which is about the answer i sadly expected..

Jas_2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

yes, and you are correct in the above statement.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Brother,

I asked for scriptures from Jesus or Paul... That directs us to keep the Sabbath as under the law of Moses.

Clearly, under the New Covenant, the laws have changed, since the priesthood has changed.

We are not under Levitical authority, but under Christ as the High Priest, as He is the Mediator of the New Covenant.

That is why the OC was under the law of Moses, and the NC is under the law of Christ.

Hebrews 7:12.

The priesthood being changed, there is also a change in the law.

Please sir, reference the scriptures where the Church leadership taught and directed members of the New Covenant to keep the Sabbath as under the law of Moses.


JLB

I did not know of the above statement. and from the beginning of the above post, I did know about:
I asked for scriptures from Jesus or Paul... That directs us to keep the Sabbath as under the law of Moses. My answer is are we suppose to follow our Lord steps? I Peter 2:21

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What was the scripture then: Was it Galatians 6:14-16, and more like: Moses gave you the law, but none of you obeys it! ... The Lord Jesus says "Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? .... what they taught; nor could the most holy and righteous man among them perfectly keep it: John 7:19.

Hi Debbie, your use of Galatians 6:16 is very suspect.
As you read it, there is a separation between "as many as walk by them" plus "and the Israel of God".
Two groups of people here.
How do you separate them?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Hi Debbie, your use of Galatians 6:16 is very suspect.
As you read it, there is a separation between "as many as walk by them" plus "and the Israel of God".
Two groups of people here.
How do you separate them?

Hi Rollo Tamasi, and how are you? Debbie is not posting wright now, but Walter is, I'am aware of the above post about:Two groups of people here.
How do you separate them? I would not separate them.

 

[JLB]

My answer is are we suppose to follow our Lord steps? I Peter 2:21

Can you show me. Scripture where Jesus commanded us to keep the Sabbath, or can you show me a scripture where Jesus kept the Sabbath as dictated my Moses Law?


JLB

 

[JLB]

I did not know of the above statement. and from the beginning of the above post, I did know about:
I asked for scriptures from Jesus or Paul... That directs us to keep the Sabbath as under the law of Moses. My answer is are we suppose to follow our Lord steps? I Peter 2:21

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

Right all we have is you telling us to keep the Sabbath and giving us Exodus 31:12-17

Exodus 31:15 says to put to death anyone who profanes the Sabbath.

Have you yourself ever obeyed Exodus 31:15, whereby you put to death a person for not obeying the Sabbath according to the law?


JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Right all we have is you telling us to keep the Sabbath and giving us Exodus 31:12-17

Exodus 31:15 says to put to death anyone who profanes the Sabbath.

Have you yourself ever obeyed Exodus 31:15, whereby you put to death a person for not obeying the Sabbath according to the law?


JLB

We have been keeping the Sabbaths holy, but have you been keeping the same day holy. According to Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

I did not try to put anyone to death, as the scripture have said in: Exodus 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

We have followed our Lord as he/Jesus has done, and so did Paul in Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. Luke 4:16

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Holman Christian Standard Bible. Hebrews 10:7

Psalm 40:8
I desire to do your will, my God; your law is within my heart.

 

[JLB]

We have been keeping the Sabbaths holy, but have you been keeping the same day holy. According to Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

I did not try to put anyone to death, as the scripture have said in: Exodus 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

We have followed our Lord as he/Jesus has done, and so did Paul in Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. Luke 4:16

Can you show me. Scripture where Jesus commanded us to keep the Sabbath, or can you show me a scripture where Jesus kept the Sabbath as dictated my Moses Law?


JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Can you show me. Scripture where Jesus commanded us to keep the Sabbath, or can you show me a scripture where Jesus kept the Sabbath as dictated my Moses Law?


JLB

I don't think that there is any scripture to show as the above post, If you know of any yourself? except for As there custom was back in the days of Jesus and Paul, Luke 4:16, and Acts 17:2, I had showed before.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I don't think that there is any scripture to show as the above post, If you know of any yourself? except for As there custom was back in the days of Jesus and Paul, Luke 4:16, and Acts 17:2, I had showed before.

Also there is some info. that I have been reading for a while from: Some info. about The Sabbaths.

http://www.theberean.org/

 

[JLB]

I don't think that there is any scripture to show as the above post, If you know of any yourself? except for As there custom was back in the days of Jesus and Paul, Luke 4:16, and Acts 17:2, I had showed before.

Im sorry brother,

You would have to show some scripture evidence, that Jesus or Paul commanded us to keep the Sabbath, as directed by the law.

It would be hypocritical to require someone to keep the Sabbath, according to Exodus 31:14, which says...

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you... and not keep the rest of verse 14, which says...

Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.


JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Im sorry brother,

You would have to show some scripture evidence, that Jesus or Paul commanded us to keep the Sabbath, as directed by the law.

It would be hypocritical to require someone to keep the Sabbath, according to Exodus 31:14, which says...

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you... and not keep the rest of verse 14, which says...

Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.


JLB

I'am sorry that you is still not accepting the scriptures I have already stated, As Jesus and Paul did, also that it was others had the same customs.

 

[reba]

I'am sorry that you is still not accepting the scriptures I have already stated, As Jesus and Paul did, also that it was others had the same customs.

Just because one person does not understand or interpret scripture the same as another it does not necessarily follow they are not accepting the Scripture.

2.4: Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice. Admin

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Just because one person does not understand or interpret scripture the same as another it does not necessarily follow they are not accepting the Scripture.

2.4: Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice. Admin

Ok! but what about the other person, should you have words with them also?

 

[JohnD]

The case can be made that we are in the sabbath era** of rest (7th and 8th thousand year dispensation). Weekly Sabbath is 7th day followed by 1st day. Eras don't skip back to 1st but onto 8th. 7 = completion. 8 = new beginning.

** Hebrews 4:3, Ephesians 2:14

The case also can be made that we are all priests of God who believe in Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:3-11, Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:10) . And we the priests of the New Covenant desecrate the day and are innocent...

Matthew 12:5 (NASB95)
5“Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?

Jesus answer to those who accused him of working on sabbath...

John 5:16–17 (NASB95)
16For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath.
17But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.”

Matthew 12:5 (NASB95)
5“Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?

 

[reba]

Ok! but what about the other person, should you have words with them also?

Yes here are the same words. said a bit differently .. Just because we dont all agree on every point does not imply, we dont study scripture, We are part of the Body, We dont love the Lord .. The whole word is ready to attack Christians lets not attack each other ... Say your words state your view points hold your ground .... while being kind to one another...

WalterandDebbie i apologize for not being clear in post #55 i knew in my head i meant those words for every member the words just didn't come out that way...

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'am sorry that you is still not accepting the scriptures I have already stated, As Jesus and Paul did, also that it was others had the same customs.

Custom does not equate to commandment.

We are indeed free to keep the literal Sabbath as a custom. We are not required to do it because we have entered into the reality the type and shadow Sabbath observance pointed us towards. Just as we are not required to offer blood sacrifice anymore now that the reality the type and shadow pointed us towards is here.

The point is, the people of God have been brought near to God through the new and better way of Christ. So there's no point or reason for seeking covenant closeness and unity with God that you already have in Christ. The new way of worship--faith in Christ--has made the old way of worship--Mosaic observance--obsolete, that is, no longer needed. But we are certainly free to indulge it as a custom. But it's hardly a binding command. Faith in Christ is the binding command that we are to keep perfectly and without flaw, or else die.

 

[Michael74]

On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, Luke 13:10 NIV