Who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it.

[JLB]

I'am sorry that you is still not accepting the scriptures I have already stated, As Jesus and Paul did, also that it was others had the same customs.

Jesus said of the Pharisee's who taught people to do the things in the law, but they themselves did not do all that the law commanded, were hypocrites, who followed the traditions of men, and made the word of God of no effect.

You have not given any scripture where Jesus or Paul obeyed the Sabbath law of Moses and commanded new covenant believers to do the same.

Why would the Lord ask us to keep one half of a scripture, but disobey the other half.

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you...
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

I hope you can understand my concern about this.

Please continue to study what the Apostles wrote in the New Testament and if you see a scripture where Jesus or Paul obeyed the Sabbath according to the law of Moses, then please, let's discuss it.

JLB

 

[JLB]

On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, Luke 13:10 NIV

Amen. Great scripture.

If you feel the Spirit of God leading you to teach in Syagogues on the Sabbath, then go for it.

Please make sure you are throughly versed in the law, as those guys are serious about the word.

Maybe you could start by sharing some things here.

Do you believe Christians should become circumcised in the foreskin of their flesh, and keep the law of Moses?

Please share some of your thoughts with us.


JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Yes here are the same words. said a bit differently .. Just because we dont all agree on every point does not imply, we dont study scripture, We are part of the Body, We dont love the Lord .. The whole word is ready to attack Christians lets not attack each other ... Say your words state your view points hold your ground .... while being kind to one another...

WalterandDebbie i apologize for not being clear in post #55 i knew in my head i meant those words for every member the words just didn't come out that way...

Ok! we are in prayer for the above, and we understand for the context which applies to everyone.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Jesus said of the Pharisee's who taught people to do the things in the law, but they themselves did not do all that the law commanded, were hypocrites, who followed the traditions of men, and made the word of God of no effect.

You have not given any scripture where Jesus or Paul obeyed the Sabbath law of Moses and commanded new covenant believers to do the same.

Why would the Lord ask us to keep one half of a scripture, but disobey the other half.

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you...
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

I hope you can understand my concern about this.

Please continue to study what the Apostles wrote in the New Testament and if you see a scripture where Jesus or Paul obeyed the Sabbath according to the law of Moses, then please, let's discuss it.

JLB

I thank GOD for Jesus doing the things of the law for that example of leadership as his custom/as his manner was, now we can follow him for his example.

I believe that Jesus did the things that we should follow, because of his laws in our hearts. New International Version "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts,

Hebrews 10:16

 

[Deborah13]

I thank GOD for Jesus doing the things of the law for that example of leadership as his custom/as his manner was, now we can follow him for his example.

I believe that Jesus did the things that we should follow, because of his laws in our hearts. New International Version "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts,

Hebrews 10:16

I'd appreciate it, if you would answer this question. I don't think it's off topic because you believe you should follow Moses' Law as Jesus did.
Do you believe followers of Jesus should/could own slaves or have more than one wife?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I'd appreciate it, if you would answer this question. I don't think it's off topic because you believe you should follow Moses' Law as Jesus did.
Do you believe followers of Jesus should/could own slaves or have more than one wife?

What is the reason for your asking?

This is one thing that I do not or have not control over, however I do have a 4th. wife, but we are doing much better now than the other three.

And I do say about owning slaves is of that kind of duty, because they have laws, or having more than one wife is not for me to do, because of the laws in different parts of the countries.

I don't think it's off topic because you believe you should follow Moses' Law as Jesus did
I'am not a follower under Moses Law, but under Grace.

 

[Deborah13]

This is one thing that I do not or have not control over, however I do have a 4th. wife, but we are doing much better now than the other three.

And I do say about owning slaves is of that kind of duty. or having more than one wife is not for me to do, because of the laws.

I'm not asking you about secular laws, only God's laws.

So if it were Not against secular laws, by God's laws, should/could you or another Christian own slaves or have more than one wife at the same time?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I'm not asking you about secular laws, only God's laws.

So if it were Not against secular laws, by God's laws, should/could you or another Christian own slaves or have more than one wife at the same time?

No, I would not have a slave, or have more than one wife at the same time, because of the laws of God as I'am aware.

What is the reason you are asking?

 

[Michael74]

If you feel the Spirit of God leading you to teach in Syagogues on the Sabbath, then go for it.

When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the Jewish synagogues. Acts 13:5

As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath. Acts 13:42 NIV

 

[JLB]

When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the Jewish synagogues. Acts 13:5

As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath. Acts 13:42 NIV

That is another great scripture.

Again, if you fell compelled to speak to Jews in their synagogues on the Sabbath, then please study the word carefully.

Do you go to Jewish synagogues for the Sabbath?

By the way you keep posting about people speaking in a synagogue on the Sabbath, I get the impression that to keep the law of the Sabbath, one must go to a synagogue on the Sabbath.

Is that the point you are making?

That we need to attend a synagogue on the Sabbath, like Jesus and Paul?


JLB

 

[JLB]

I thank GOD for Jesus doing the things of the law for that example

He did?

Can you show me some scriptures where Jesus kept the law of Moses?



JLB

 

[Michael74]

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together... Hebrews 10:25a KJV

 

[JLB]

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together... Hebrews 10:25a KJV

What is the point of this scripture?

In what context are you posting this scripture?


JLB

 

[Michael74]

The question enters one's mind, what is the best time to assemble? Lord Jesus and Paul are both reported assembling on the Sabbath.

Someone I know became a pastor, and has his church meeting on Saturday. I suppose he has some scriptural support for the practice.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Someone I know became a pastor, and has his church meeting on Saturday. I suppose he has some scriptural support for the practice.

Yes, but for anyone to say it's a matter of covenant law to do so would be out of line. The appointed Day and time of sacred assembly in this New Covenant is Jesus Christ, God's appointed Sabbath Rest for the people of God. We enter into that appointed Rest and are joined together in sacred assembly through faith in Christ.

 

[Deborah13]

No, I would not have a slave, or have more than one wife at the same time, because of the laws of God as I'am aware.

What is the reason you are asking?

I was just trying to understand your position on the Law. It seems I remember that you also believe Christians should eat kosher. Is that correct?
If so, I was wondering how you understand what all Christians, not just you, are/are not, may/may not, follow in the Law of Moses.
I'm not saying that you believe any works are for justification. I believe, you do believe, you are justified by grace and faith.

I didn't ask you if You would have more than one wife or own slaves.
I asked if a Christian, (any Christian) could/should owe slaves or have more than one wife at a time, if it was not against the secular laws of where they reside?
You haven't answered that question. But if you would rather not, I won't ask again.

Blessings to you both.

 

[Deborah13]

Paul are both reported assembling on the Sabbath.

? Where is this reported, please?

 

[JLB]

The question enters one's mind, what is the best time to assemble? Lord Jesus and Paul are both reported assembling on the Sabbath.

Someone I know became a pastor, and has his church meeting on Saturday. I suppose he has some scriptural support for the practice.

4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, "which," He said, "you have heard from Me; Acts 1:4

And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. Acts 4:31

And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. Acts 11:26

it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Acts 15:25


Here are some scriptures about brothers who assembled together for various reasons.


Please try to understand why the Jews assembled in the synagogue on the Sabbath.

It was practical for them, as everyone would be off work and be able to come together and join for teaching and worship and fellowship.

On the Sabbath, no one had the excuse; "I was working"


All would be available to attend.



JLB

 

[JLB]

I thank GOD for Jesus doing the things of the law for that example of leadership as his custom/as his manner was, now we can follow him for his example.

He did?

Can you show me some scriptures where Jesus kept the law of Moses?


I guess I'm not going to get any scriptures that support such a statement.

I can understand why.


Here is a post from a while back, from Jethro about this subject.

Sabbath keeping doctrine says Sabbath keeping is a greater expression of the command to love God than 'love your neighbor as yourself' is. I say, scriptural, this is simply not true. In fact, not even close. Those who adhere to the Mosaic worship commands are not the only ones who believe this. It's just that the rest of us in the church have different expressions of love for God that we think are greater expressions of love for God than the command to love him by treating people nicely and with respect and being at peace with them.


The 'law' of the church today that is regarded as the most important expression of love for God is church attendance, church service, reading the Bible, prayer, baptism, operating in a gift, witnessing, giving to the church, and carefully adhering to a particular worship style and doctrinal statement. We are just as deceived as the law keeping crowd, just in regard to different expressions of the command to 'love God'.


Obedience is better than sacrifice.


And God doesn't even want the sacrifice of our worship and service unless we first obey him in being at peace with others (Matthew 5:24 NIV).


This seems to be the elusive truth of the church. This is what being on the narrow road that few find is all about. Love for others, including our enemies (especially?), is the great distinguishing mark between those who really do know God and those who just think they do, deceived by the sacrifice of their worship and service (Matthew 7:21-23 NIV) and their association with and exposure to the ways and teachings of Christ and the church (Luke 13:26-27 NIV).


We each have the obligation to show we really do know God and have his approval in salvation by loving others and treating them kindly, compassionately, and with respect. If we can't do that then we have to take a hard look at ourselves to see whether we really are saved or not. That's what 'making our calling and election sure' is all about. A tree is judged by it's fruit, not by it's outer adornment of leaves. The people of God seem to do well at majoring in the showy leaves of the kingdom, and not so much in bearing the fruit of the kingdom.

As I said before about this post from Jethro, I will say again, as it still holds true today.

Probably the best worded and most relevant teaching I have ever read on any Christian Forum, ever.


JLB

 

[Michael74]

? Where is this reported, please?

On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, Luke 13:10 NIV

As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath. Acts 13:42 NIV