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Who likes short haircuts? poll

Who likes to get a short haircut?


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I'd have to read more on it, but I believe somewhere someone mentioned something about the verses in I Corinthians regarding hair being more influenced by the culture at the time than anything? (There was a thread about this somewhere several months ago, started by a friend of mine, but I forgot what was said. I'll have to go look it up again.)
Been wondering about that myself, but I didn't consider it important enough to do some research on right away. How other people wear their hair doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is what I do, and I simply wouldn't like my hair that short.
 
Jim:

PS: Part of the matter in the chapter you refer to lies in that women's hair tends to be naturally longer than men's. (Some of us men tend to lose hair a lot more easily...don't I know it!)

So the point of this aspect of the Nazarite vow, if women were going to participate (Numbers 6.2), they needed to be prepared to shave their heads at the end, in other words, considerations of their natural visible glory were to be overridden by dedication to the vow.

This may in general terms be part of the background to 1 Corinthians 11.
 
I wouldn't like my hair super short, but shoulder length is good. My hair is hard to keep brushed, so shoulder length means my job is a lot easier.

questdriven:

My attention was just drawn to this thread again; of course, super short is quite in fashion now, isn't it. (Not that this necessarily matters one way or the other.)

Blessings.
 
...super short is quite in fashion now, isn't it...

Super short on women is in fashion now? Not where I live. I can't think of many women or girls I've seen lately that have "super short" hair. Seems the current trend here is at least shoulder length, most of them much longer. Now for guys it's different. Seems for guys right now there are all kinds of different lengths and styles mixing it up. The only consistency I see is among the extreme conservative Christian "Y'all are goin' straight to hell for that long hair ya got there, son!" crowd all sporting their cookie cutter buzz cuts and looking down their noses at everyone else. But for the girls, long seems to be in.
 
Super short on women is in fashion now? Not where I live. I can't think of many women or girls I've seen lately that have "super short" hair. Seems the current trend here is at least shoulder length, most of them much longer. Now for guys it's different. Seems for guys right now there are all kinds of different lengths and styles mixing it up. The only consistency I see is among the extreme conservative Christian "Y'all are goin' straight to hell for that long hair ya got there, son!" crowd all sporting their cookie cutter buzz cuts and looking down their noses at everyone else. But for the girls, long seems to be in.

O: I wasn't particularly thinking at a gender level; just that a lot of folk seem to go short.

For women that years ago would have been regarded as having gone really short, today by comparison it doesn't really seem so short when their husbands are virtually head-shaved; in comparison a womanly crop still looks a whole lot longer than a head-shave.

Two cents.'
 
2 cents times a thousand worth:

"Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but if a woman has long hair it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this we have no other practice-nor do the churches of God." 1 Cor. 11:14-16

JimJib:

Great verse; sounds good.

Do you think that how long 'long' looks can vary according to whether dh has a headshave or not?

Blessings.
 
2 cents times a thousand worth:

"Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but if a woman has long hair it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this we have no other practice-nor do the churches of God." 1 Cor. 11:14-16

JJ, several years ago I did an in depth study of that verse in conjunction with some well versed Biblical scholars, since it seems to contradict other verses in the Bible regarding hair length. I lost it due to a hard drive crash but may have it backed up somewhere else. I have to go to work right now, but if I can find it, if anyone is interested I'll post a condensed version.
 
Well, this thread seems popular today!
 
While selecting various verses to bring here it was my thought that the theme of "covering" might be included while trying to avoid neglecting the more obvious Scriptures on the subject.

In the military long, unacceptable and punishment worthy, hair was that which touched the ears, eyebrow, or collar in any way and which which didn't have a tapperd cut in the back.

One poster spoke of "military" hair styles and I liked the idea about hair not allowed to cover the eyebrows, the ears or the neck. It captured the concept that I understand from reading scripture. Of course any hair on the head will "cover" the head. The Bible isn't advocating baldness, but if we are looking for Scripture about "coverings" here are some:

1 Corinthians 11:1-34 ESV
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. ...

1 Corinthians 11:5 ESV
But every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.

1 Corinthians 11:15 ESV
But if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

1 Corinthians 11:10 ESV
That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

1 Corinthians 11:14-15 ESV
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

1 Corinthians 11:2-16 ESV
Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. ...

Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

1 Corinthians 11:13 ESV
Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered?

1 Corinthians 11:7 ESV
For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

1 Corinthians 11:4 ESV
Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head,

1 Timothy 2:1-15 ESV
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, ...

Ephesians 5:32 ESV
This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.

Ephesians 5:23 ESV
For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

Numbers 6:1-27 ESV
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When either a man or a woman makes a special vow, the vow of a Nazirite, to separate himself to the Lord, he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried. All the days of his separation he shall eat nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the skins. “All the days of his vow of separation, no razor shall touch his head. Until the time is completed for which he separates himself to the Lord, he shall be holy. He shall let the locks of hair of his head grow long. ...

Genesis 38:15 ESV
When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.

Genesis 24:65 ESV
And said to the servant, “Who is that man, walking in the field to meet us?” The servant said, “It is my master.” So she took her veil and covered herself.

Genesis 2:1-25 ESV
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, ...

Genesis 1:27 ESV
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Genesis 1:1-31 ESV
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. ...

Revelation 7:13 ESV
Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”

Revelation 1:13 ESV
And in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest.

1 Peter 3:3 ESV
Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear—

Colossians 2:20-23 ESV
If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

Ephesians 5:25 ESV
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

Ephesians 5:22 ESV
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

Ephesians 1:22 ESV
And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church,

Galatians 6:14 ESV
But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

1 Corinthians 15:28 ESV
When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians 11:11-12 ESV
Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.

John 12:3 ESV
Mary therefore took a pound of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

John 5:44 ESV
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

John 5:41 ESV
I do not receive glory from people.

Ezekiel 44:20 ESV
They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads.

Jeremiah 7:29 ESV
“‘Cut off your hair and cast it away; raise a lamentation on the bare heights, for the Lord has rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.’

Isaiah 47:2 ESV
Take the millstones and grind flour, put off your veil, strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers.

Isaiah 7:20 ESV
In that day the Lord will shave with a razor that is hired beyond the River—with the king of Assyria—the head and the hair of the feet, and it will sweep away the beard also.

Isaiah 3:1-26 ESV
For behold, the Lord God of hosts is taking away from Jerusalem and from Judah support and supply, all support of bread, and all support of water; the mighty man and the soldier, the judge and the prophet, the diviner and the elder, the captain of fifty and the man of rank, the counselor and the skillful magician and the expert in charms. And I will make boys their princes, and infants shall rule over them. And the people will oppress one another, every one his fellow and every one his neighbor; the youth will be insolent to the elder, and the despised to the honorable. ...

Song of Solomon 4:1 ESV
Behold, you are beautiful, my love, behold, you are beautiful! Your eyes are doves behind your veil. Your hair is like a flock of goats leaping down the slopes of Gilead.

Proverbs 31:22 ESV
She makes bed coverings for herself; her clothing is fine linen and purple.

Proverbs 12:4 ESV
An excellent wife is the crown of her husband, but she who brings shame is like rottenness in his bones.

Psalm 147:8 ESV
He covers the heavens with clouds; he prepares rain for the earth; he makes grass grow on the hills.

2 Kings 9:30 ESV
When Jehu came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it. And she painted her eyes and adorned her head and looked out of the window.

2 Samuel 15:30 ESV
But David went up the ascent of the Mount of Olives, weeping as he went, barefoot and with his head covered. And all the people who were with him covered their heads, and they went up, weeping as they went.

Ruth 3:9 ESV
He said, “Who are you?” And she answered, “I am Ruth, your servant. Spread your wings over your servant, for you are a redeemer.”

Deuteronomy 21:12 ESV
And you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails.

Numbers 6:18 ESV
And the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the entrance of the tent of meeting and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire that is under the sacrifice of the peace offering.

Genesis 38:14 ESV
She took off her widow's garments and covered herself with a veil, wrapping herself up, and sat at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. For she saw that Shelah was grown up, and she had not been given to him in marriage.

1 Peter 3:7 ESV
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

Genesis 2:18 ESV
Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.”


Again, my attempt here included a desire to expand my search to include general principles (like Scriptures showing inner beauty) as well as one of the purposes of "coverings," that being to hide shame and to prevent embarrassment. Another more general principle is simple: Men are not to wear clothing (or coverings) that are designed for women, and the same is true in reverse. Of course, culture plays a role. It is my thought that if we look to God for understanding other aspects (perhaps not previously thought of) will be brought into light.
 
JJ, several years ago I did an in depth study of that verse in conjunction with some well versed Biblical scholars, since it seems to contradict other verses in the Bible regarding hair length. I lost it due to a hard drive crash but may have it backed up somewhere else. I have to go to work right now, but if I can find it, if anyone is interested I'll post a condensed version.
I'd be interested in seeing it.
 
I'd be interested in seeing it.

questdriven:

Maybe the issue partly revolves also around comparative length? Not only what the Greek word for long means in its context but also how length compares?

For example, a lot of men go for headshaves or almost. If their wives have what years ago might have been regarded as short hair, yet compared with their headshaved husbands, if they have a spikey crop, etc. it still looks a great deal longer.

Two cents.'
 
It was about arrogance and rebellion, not about fashion.
 
It was about arrogance and rebellion, not about fashion.
[MENTION=93344]Obadiah[/MENTION]

Sorry, what were you just referring to? (I may have missed something.)

Blessings.
 
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@Obadiah

Sorry, what were you just referring to? (I may have missed something.)

Blessings.
Sorry, Farouk, that was kind of vague all by itself. Since QD said she was interested and you seemed so as well I was going to go more into this, but after making that post I changed my mind and I don't think I should anymore. I've already seem to have been accused of a TOS violation for promoting sin on another thread where I thought I was only discussing a very grey area (much like the hair style issue in reality is a very grey area that some people tend to only see as very clear cut). It sort of appears to me that maybe in this forum certain people determine what is sin and what isn't according to their own interpretation of scripture and that is accepted as true. If someone like me isn't aware of that or doesn't accept that, we get in trouble for it. At the same time in this thread I seem to have gotten in trouble here too and I just don't feel very welcome now. So after I made my comment, I sort of had second thoughts about continuing and think maybe this isn't the place for me. It's just too hard for me not to take it personally when it's an issue that I care about (not that I care that much about style, there's other reasons I care about this issue), and that will just get me into more trouble.
 
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Sorry, Farouk, that was kind of vague. Since QD said she was interested and you seemed so as well I was going to go more into this, but after making that post I changed my mind and I don't think I should anymore. I've already seem to have been accused of a TOS violation for promoting sin on another thread where I thought I was only discussing a very grey area (much like the hair style issue is a very grey area). It sort of appears to me that maybe in this forum certain people determine what is sin and what isn't according to their own interpretation of scripture and that is accepted as true. If someone like me isn't aware of that or doesn't accept that, we get in trouble for it. At the same time in this thread I seem to have gotten in trouble too and I just don't feel very welcome now. So after I made my comment, I sort of had second thoughts about continuing and think maybe this isn't the place for me. It's just too hard for me not to take it personally when it's an issue that I care about (not that I care that much about style, there's other reasons I care about this issue), and that will just get me into more trouble.
Anything that is not allowed to be discussed is written in the ToS, or in forum stickies or announcements. A fair warning is always given if one of these subjects come up. I don't see that you have done anything wrong in this thread.
 
I think hair length is a bit like subjects such as hemlines: average length can vary like a yo-yo, over a period of a few years. Itr's good to be modest and sensible, but not get too 'knotted up' about customs that change a lot, I guess.

Blessings.
 
Amadeo_Modigliani_019.jpg


'Mädchen mit Bluse', 'DIRECTMEDIA Publishing GmbH, public domain, wikimedia commons

For example, this painting ' by Modigliani, , dating from 1917, shows a hairstyle which at the time of its origin might have been regarded as short. But today it might not be seen as very short. For example, many preachers' wives might wear theirs this way, or even a bit shorter.

It's kind of comparatively speaking.

(Two cents'.)

Blessings.
 
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