Who will give account for suffering of holy people ?

[iwll42]

People who are tempted by external factors, due to circumstances they're tempted to desperation.

Jesus had suicidal desperation before crucifixion, due to temptations.

We are instructed to follow Jesus example. But is Jesus example that we should be silent sheeps who just stay silent when we are tempted by evil circumstances and people, and allow them to take our life, dignity and everything ? Just because of thr notion zhat we are sinful, and nobody deserves mercy, so we should be merciful , and allow them to take our dignity and tempt us to oblivion ?

Is that Jesus example ?


They say, we should rise ourselves to be better than our oppressor not to act like they do, but there should be line to everything.

I lnow Jesus was sacrifical lamb, but really, if it was any other person, would we be content with them going through same thing ? Ofc no ! Nobody would agree it's benefical to person or anyone else.

Pretty much same was with Jesus. Why would someone willingly be silent through whole thing.

If Jesus didn't had power to invoke angels, would he be justified in having righteous anger in that time ?

Problem is, there is difference between Jesus and normal person. And that is knowledge in heavenly things. Jesus knew about angels, talked witht them, had proof, and knew all about it, as He himself was part of it.
But normal person doesn't have same knowledge about heaven. Normal person, can't say with irrefutable proof there's angels, God, heaven. We are believers who believe but hadn't seen. Just like Tom.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus had suicidal desperation before crucifixion, due to temptations.

Where do you read in scripture that Jesus was suicidal?

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Jesus was only in agony of what He was about to face, but He knew He had to be in God's will and God sent an angel to strengthen Jesus for what He would go through.

Jesus was angry many times with people, but it was justified like when he cleared the Temple of the money changers and animal sellers as they disregarded God's holiness and worship, Matthew 21:12,13, Mark 11:15-18; John 2:13-22.

Mark 3:1-5 Jesus was angry at the Pharisees for their stubborn hearts in the synagogue of Capernaum where he healed a man on the Sabbath.

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

We are instructed to not avoid anger, but to deal with our anger in a timely manner so that we do not sin against God. Anytime Jesus was angry he always gave explanation why in showing others the way of God.

Our anger towards others has to have proper motivation at not being angry at the person as we keep control of our self, but at the sinful behavior and true injustice they cause. Anger has to have proper supplement, Mark 3:5, as by grief over those who lack faith as we need to show love by praying for them and forgiving their actions for they know not what they do.

 

[citrus]

A lot of people in the bible were suicidal. I like the verses thst says, "why are you so downcast my soul?" Elijah comes first to mind.

 

[citrus]

People who are tempted by external factors, due to circumstances they're tempted to desperation.

Jesus had suicidal desperation before crucifixion, due to temptations.

We are instructed to follow Jesus example. But is Jesus example that we should be silent sheeps who just stay silent when we are tempted by evil circumstances and people, and allow them to take our life, dignity and everything ? Just because of thr notion zhat we are sinful, and nobody deserves mercy, so we should be merciful , and allow them to take our dignity and tempt us to oblivion ?

Is that Jesus example ?


They say, we should rise ourselves to be better than our oppressor not to act like they do, but there should be line to everything.

I lnow Jesus was sacrifical lamb, but really, if it was any other person, would we be content with them going through same thing ? Ofc no ! Nobody would agree it's benefical to person or anyone else.

Pretty much same was with Jesus. Why would someone willingly be silent through whole thing.

If Jesus didn't had power to invoke angels, would he be justified in having righteous anger in that time ?

Problem is, there is difference between Jesus and normal person. And that is knowledge in heavenly things. Jesus knew about angels, talked witht them, had proof, and knew all about it, as He himself was part of it.
But normal person doesn't have same knowledge about heaven. Normal person, can't say with irrefutable proof there's angels, God, heaven. We are believers who believe but hadn't seen. Just like Tom.

Jesus wasn't suicidal

 

[journeyman]

People who are tempted by external factors, due to circumstances they're tempted to desperation.

Jesus had suicidal desperation before crucifixion, due to temptations.

We are instructed to follow Jesus example. But is Jesus example that we should be silent sheeps who just stay silent when we are tempted by evil circumstances and people, and allow them to take our life, dignity and everything ? Just because of thr notion zhat we are sinful, and nobody deserves mercy, so we should be merciful , and allow them to take our dignity and tempt us to oblivion ?

Is that Jesus example ?


They say, we should rise ourselves to be better than our oppressor not to act like they do, but there should be line to everything.

I lnow Jesus was sacrifical lamb, but really, if it was any other person, would we be content with them going through same thing ? Ofc no ! Nobody would agree it's benefical to person or anyone else.

Pretty much same was with Jesus. Why would someone willingly be silent through whole thing.

If Jesus didn't had power to invoke angels, would he be justified in having righteous anger in that time ?

Problem is, there is difference between Jesus and normal person. And that is knowledge in heavenly things. Jesus knew about angels, talked witht them, had proof, and knew all about it, as He himself was part of it.
But normal person doesn't have same knowledge about heaven. Normal person, can't say with irrefutable proof there's angels, God, heaven. We are believers who believe but hadn't seen. Just like Tom.

Hello iwll42.
Our Lord wasn't suicidal. He did put to death a human (not Godly) desire to kill His enemies.
He "opened not His mouth"...in judgment against them,

If thou LORD shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord who shall stand? Psa.130:3 KJV

Do not sit in judgment on your servant, for no one alive is innocent before you. Psa.143:2 NET

They broke the law in every way He was mistreated.

 

[citrus]

Elijah, jonah, Moses, Job and one more I can't remember who, wanted to commit suicide and because they got back up they were double blessing to people and God. These men were dominant figures in the bible. They would of missed out on their calling and future if they went to hell. Everybody has had a bad day before, a bad life, challenges, but God brought them through. They overcame. He is always faithful even when we weren't because he can not deny his nature. So I will pray for you. We don't see the full picture and not even what is right in front of us. Kind of like when your trying to find something. God will help you

 

[citrus]

When we don't feel his presence we, acknowledge it. Hope that helps

 

[Anaphora]

Jesus went to the cross with flying colors. Jesus didn't have moment of weakness. In gospel of Matthew. Jesus prayed several times in garden, before he was handed over to sinners.

Jesus was praying about cup of wrath that would be poured out at the 7th trump. Jesus was asking Godhead if its possible for the cup of wrath to pass.

As for those who abuse servant of God. The reprobates go into lake of fire with satan.
Documentation, Corinthians chapter 11
Psalm chapter 9
Revelation chapter 20
Psalm chapter 37

 

[Truth]

Jesus wasn't suicidal

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. I agree he wasn’t suicidal!

 

[Truth]

People who are tempted by external factors, due to circumstances they're tempted to desperation.

Jesus had suicidal desperation before crucifixion, due to temptations.

We are instructed to follow Jesus example. But is Jesus example that we should be silent sheeps who just stay silent when we are tempted by evil circumstances and people, and allow them to take our life, dignity and everything ? Just because of thr notion zhat we are sinful, and nobody deserves mercy, so we should be merciful , and allow them to take our dignity and tempt us to oblivion ?

Is that Jesus example ?


They say, we should rise ourselves to be better than our oppressor not to act like they do, but there should be line to everything.

I lnow Jesus was sacrifical lamb, but really, if it was any other person, would we be content with them going through same thing ? Ofc no ! Nobody would agree it's benefical to person or anyone else.

Pretty much same was with Jesus. Why would someone willingly be silent through whole thing.

If Jesus didn't had power to invoke angels, would he be justified in having righteous anger in that time ?

Problem is, there is difference between Jesus and normal person. And that is knowledge in heavenly things. Jesus knew about angels, talked witht them, had proof, and knew all about it, as He himself was part of it.
But normal person doesn't have same knowledge about heaven. Normal person, can't say with irrefutable proof there's angels, God, heaven. We are believers who believe but hadn't seen. Just like Tom.

 

[Truth]

People who are tempted by external factors, due to circumstances they're tempted to desperation.

Jesus had suicidal desperation before crucifixion, due to temptations.

We are instructed to follow Jesus example. But is Jesus example that we should be silent sheeps who just stay silent when we are tempted by evil circumstances and people, and allow them to take our life, dignity and everything ? Just because of thr notion zhat we are sinful, and nobody deserves mercy, so we should be merciful , and allow them to take our dignity and tempt us to oblivion ?

Is that Jesus example ?


They say, we should rise ourselves to be better than our oppressor not to act like they do, but there should be line to everything.

I lnow Jesus was sacrifical lamb, but really, if it was any other person, would we be content with them going through same thing ? Ofc no ! Nobody would agree it's benefical to person or anyone else.

Pretty much same was with Jesus. Why would someone willingly be silent through whole thing.

If Jesus didn't had power to invoke angels, would he be justified in having righteous anger in that time ?

Problem is, there is difference between Jesus and normal person. And that is knowledge in heavenly things. Jesus knew about angels, talked witht them, had proof, and knew all about it, as He himself was part of it.
But normal person doesn't have same knowledge about heaven. Normal person, can't say with irrefutable proof there's angels, God, heaven. We are believers who believe but hadn't seen. Just like Tom.

Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.