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Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT sin. Really?

TonyChanYT

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1 John 1:
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

But then only 2 chapters later, King James Bible 1 John 3:
9a Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin
commit
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular

Koine-Greek.com:
The imperfective aspect (traditionally, the Present “tense” and the Imperfect “tense”) are used in states of affairs involving customary/habitual action.
Wallace, for example, simply says: “The customary present is used to signal either an action that regularly occurs or an ongoing state. The action is usually iterative, or repeated, but not without interruption. This usage is quite common”
The Greek present tense carries a sense of repetitive or routine action.

My paraphrase: Anyone born of God will not routinely practice sin as a matter of fact.

KJV 1 John 3:
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
English Standard Version:
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
Two chapters later, this concept is revisited by John in 1 John 5:
18a We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning,
The main verb is:
does not keep on sinning
ἁμαρτάνει (hamartanei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 264: Perhaps from a and the base of meros; properly, to miss the mark, i.e. to err, especially to sin.

The secondary verb is the participle:
born
γεγεννημένος (gegennēmenos)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 1080: From a variation of genos; to procreate; figuratively, to regenerate.

My paraphrase of 18a:
Having been born of God, he does not routinely sin.
Now onto the next clause:
18b but he who has been born of God keeps himself

The main verb for this clause is:
keeps/protects
τηρεῖ (tērei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 5083: From teros; to guard, i.e. To note; by implication, to detain; by extension, to withhold; by extension, to withhold.

The secondary verb is the participle:
was born
γεννηθεὶς (gennētheis)
Verb - Aorist Participle Passive - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 1080: From a variation of genos; to procreate; figuratively, to regenerate.

My paraphrase of 18b:
Having had been born of God clearly and distinctly, God protects him.

Does "born" have the same meaning on the two occasions it occurs in 1 John 5:18?"

On both occasions, they are the same Greek G1080, sharing the same dictionary meaning. They differ in tenses. One is in perfect tense; the other is in the aorist.
 
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

The emphasis in what I bolded shows that if we are walking in the Spirit then we are sinless. We know none of us walk in the Spirit 24/7 and will get in the flesh at times where the nature to sin lives in the flesh.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Being Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit means our spirit can not sin as sin is only found in the flesh where the nature to sin lives. We are not going to wilfully sin like we plan to sin, but yet this corruptible has not yet put on incorruption, and this mortal has not yet put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53-54.

For now we battle against the flesh and at times lose sight of the Spirit if even for a moment when we get caught up in the flesh that causes us to sin in the flesh, but yet this does not mean we are not Spiritually born again, but that we have not yet been perfected. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1John 1:8-10
 
1 John 1:


But then only 2 chapters later, King James Bible 1 John 3:

commit
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular

Koine-Greek.com:


The Greek present tense carries a sense of repetitive or routine action.

My paraphrase: Anyone born of God will not routinely practice sin as a matter of fact.

KJV 1 John 3:

English Standard Version:

Two chapters later, this concept is revisited by John in 1 John 5:

The main verb is:
does not keep on sinning
ἁμαρτάνει (hamartanei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 264: Perhaps from a and the base of meros; properly, to miss the mark, i.e. to err, especially to sin.

The secondary verb is the participle:
born
γεγεννημένος (gegennēmenos)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 1080: From a variation of genos; to procreate; figuratively, to regenerate.

My paraphrase of 18a:

Now onto the next clause:


The main verb for this clause is:
keeps/protects
τηρεῖ (tērei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 5083: From teros; to guard, i.e. To note; by implication, to detain; by extension, to withhold; by extension, to withhold.

The secondary verb is the participle:
was born
γεννηθεὶς (gennētheis)
Verb - Aorist Participle Passive - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 1080: From a variation of genos; to procreate; figuratively, to regenerate.

My paraphrase of 18b:


Does "born" have the same meaning on the two occasions it occurs in 1 John 5:18?"

On both occasions, they are the same Greek G1080, sharing the same dictionary meaning. They differ in tenses. One is in perfect tense; the other is in the aorist.
In 1 John 1, John is addressing some churches, (or just one church), about TWO kinds of men.
Those who walk in darkness and those who walk in the light.
Verse 5 says that God is the light.
Proverbs 4:19 says..."The way of the wicked is as darkness..."
Their "way" is sinful, so darkness is sin.

John uses alternating verses to address those in sin and those who are in God.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 refer to those in sin.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 refer to those who are in God.
So it is only those who are in sin that cannot say they have no sin, or that they never have sinned.
Those walking in God, however, can say they have no sin, as there is no sin in God.

Which do you walk in ?
Darkness or light ?
 
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