Why Didn't God forbid the Tree of Life?

[elijah23]

what does that have to with the idea of the end times judgement? of course gossiping is wrong.

We’re talking about judging people, or we were at one point. Jesus said not to judge people—otherwise you will be judged.

It began when I tried to connect that verse with the verse about not eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I tried to convince you that judging people is like eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In order to judge someone, you have to claim to have knowledge of good and evil. I think Jesus was telling us to avoid judging people. He also told us not eat from that tree.

 

[jasoncran]

we have the knowledge of good and evil already due to the fact that adam and eve both ate of that tree, only the blood alone can remove that curse.

then we are free to do good works, for it's written there's none righteous and no, not one.

 

[elijah23]

we have the knowledge of good and evil already due to the fact that adam and eve both ate of that tree, only the blood alone can remove that curse.

then we are free to do good works, for it's written there's none righteous and no, not one.

When you commit a sin, do take responsibility, or do you blame Adam and Eve?

 

[jasoncran]

we have the knowledge of good and evil already due to the fact that adam and eve both ate of that tree, only the blood alone can remove that curse.

then we are free to do good works, for it's written there's none righteous and no, not one.

When you commit a sin, do take responsibility, or do you blame Adam and Eve?

i acknowledge but by our fallen nature we cant change.

i cant nor didnt change these things in my life for the lord took these from me

bisexuality
porn and masterbastion
theft
and much more.

 

[elijah23]

i acknowledge but by our fallen nature we cant change.

i cant nor didnt change these things in my life for the lord took these from me

bisexuality
porn and masterbastion
theft
and much more.

I agree that we need the Lord’s help to turn from sin. Can I blame that on Adam and Eve? It seems to me the problem began years ago when I first began committing certain sins. Back then, there wasn’t a strong desire to sin. Back then I just wanted to sin so I could be a “big shot.†Had I not committed those sins, I wouldn’t have developed the strong desire to sin that I later have had to deal with. What do you think?

 

[jasoncran]

you are refering to the destruction of us that will happen to us all if we dont repent. you repented but that nature is only removed at the cross. without that we cant be 'good"

 

[elijah23]

you repented but that nature is only removed at the cross. without that we cant be 'good"

I don't understand.

 

[jasoncran]

you repented but that nature is only removed at the cross. without that we cant be 'good"

I don't understand.

no man is good enough to change all by his lonesome, though we cant stop habits, but the lord is so holy and pure that we cant be good enough for the justification.

so how then are we justified?

 

[elijah23]

no man is good enough to change all by his lonesome, though we cant stop habits, but the lord is so holy and pure that we cant be good enough for the justification.

so how then are we justified?

We are justified because the Lord says we are justified, perhaps. For instance, he died for our sins on the cross.

 

[jasoncran]

no man is good enough to change all by his lonesome, though we cant stop habits, but the lord is so holy and pure that we cant be good enough for the justification.

so how then are we justified?

We are justified because the Lord says we are justified, perhaps. For instance, he died for our sins on the cross.

then by that reason alone, we cant be justified by simply following the ten commandments and those that havent repented nor been told of jesus cant make it.

romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death
romans 3:23 for all come short of the Glory of God.

 

[elijah23]

then by that reason alone, we cant be justified by simply following the ten commandments and those that havent repented nor been told of jesus cant make it.

romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death
romans 3:23 for all come short of the Glory of God.

We can repent, but there is the problem of the sins we have already committed. The Lord will forgive us for those sins, but he wants us to attempt to stop committing those sins, and he will pressure us to do so. I need his help—I cannot do it without his help.

There is another sin—pride—which we can become victims of if we aren’t careful. There are a lot of people, in my opinion, who would like to run our lives for us.

 

[veteran]

I hope you'all aren't misunderstanding what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents. It represents Satan himself. It's another one of his labels because he was originally a good cherub, but turned evil in rebelling against God. Thus the kind of knowledge he represents is that which rebels against God and God's ways. It's not just about the idea of 'knowledge', but about forbidden knowledge, even as it is today. Knowledge in general is not evil. Adam and Eve were innocent before their eyes were opened, and that's what the forbidden knowledge does, separates us from God, which is about a specific kind of knowledge. It's more commonly called 'the occult', or 'esotericism'.

 

[jasoncran]

I hope you'all aren't misunderstanding what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents. It represents Satan himself. It's another one of his labels because he was originally a good cherub, but turned evil in rebelling against God. Thus the kind of knowledge he represents is that which rebels against God and God's ways. It's not just about the idea of 'knowledge', but about forbidden knowledge, even as it is today. Knowledge in general is not evil. Adam and Eve were innocent before their eyes were opened, and that's what the forbidden knowledge does, separates us from God, which is about a specific kind of knowledge. It's more commonly called 'the occult', or 'esotericism'.

i never looked at the possibilty that the tree represented satan.

 

[Packrat]

In Genesis God plants two "main" trees.

Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (2:9)

And then the Lord says:

[quote:jhajmbm4]"From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." (2:16-17)

God never told Adam not to eat from the tree of life, the tree that would make them live forever. I wonder, why is it that the LORD did not prohibit Adam and Eve from eating out of the tree of life, but only the tree of knowledge?[/quote:jhajmbm4]

From my limited understanding, we were already living forever. I seem to have gotten the impression from my understanding of Biblical symbolism that the Tree of Life is God. Since we disobeyed God we cut ourselves off from him. We chose to act upon our own understanding of good and evil rather than God's. In the end, we were distanced from God (i.e. we lost access to the Tree of Life and we began to die).

Trees are symbolic of persons throughout the Bible. In fact I wonder why God spoke from a shrubbery in the example of the burning bush? :D Anything can be belittled until you understand its significance. Of course this is all just more of an impression I've gotten (from a cursory study of Biblical symbolism) rather than a solid set of facts. Intriguing nonetheless...