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kenken

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so that's my question. I was raised baptist and know the bible backwards and forwared but as i'm approaching 40 i'm starting to question.

Why jesus and not muhammad or budda? If you add up all the muslims and hindues who do not believe in jesus it comes out to about 3.4 billion right now.

I have a hard time believing that any god that created us would slaughter this number of people. If what the bible says is true will this many actually die?

I am confused about this.
 
Please don't take this in a condescending way, but if you do know the Bible as you say you do and even if you don't believe all it says, you should know the answers to these questions. Most Baptist congregations make this a part of their invitational message at one point or another.

Why jesus and not Muhammad or budda?
Well I have serious doubts about the claims of Muhammad and Buddha didn't believe nor teach of a Supreme Deity. Jesus laid claim to things that were considered blasphemous by His contemporaries. Jesus spoke with authority and Divine knowledge, authority and knowledge given to Him by His Heavenly Father. Jesus was the only one who could say, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" and mean it.

Christianity has one thing all the others don't have; an empty tomb. :amen

Why jesus and not muhammad or budda? If you add up all the muslims and hindues who do not believe in jesus it comes out to about 3.4 billion right now.

I have a hard time believing that any god that created us would slaughter this number of people. If what the bible says is true will this many actually die?
Who is saying anything about slaughter? But before you answer that, let ask, why don't they believe in Jesus? Have they never heard the Gospel? Have the heard and rejected? Have they heard form a teacher that the claims of Christianity aren't true?

Consider that maybe God may have a plan for those that have died and never heard; that through the atoning blood of God's sacrificial Lamb Jesus, they too may somehow be saved.

Then consider the fate of those who heard but rejected. Finally, consider what could be the fate of those who taught against the Gospel and led many astray.

Oh, one more thing to consider; since God is not the author of confusion, then who or what IS responsible for such confusion?
 
kenken said:
Why jesus and not muhammad or budda?

In Islam Muhammad is known as uswa hasana; he is regarded as "the best example of conduct". If you follow the link, you will find an endless list of reasons for not choosing Mohammad; which include the fact that he was a Briber, Child-Abuser, Child-Killer, Deceiver, Delusional, Liar, Mass Murderer, Megalomaniac, Obese, Pedophile, Plunderer, Polygamist, Racist, Rapist, Sex Addict, Slave-Trader, Wife-Beater, Terrorist, Torturer, & Warmonger.....they're pretty good reasons for anyone to not choose Mohammad:

Mohammad
 
kenken wrote:

Why jesus and not muhammad or budda?

Christianity is not just a belief system like other religions. To be a Christian is to be in a relationship with God through the person of Jesus Christ through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. In other religions, you will see that God is regarded as an impersonal being who is somewhere out there, but you can't get to know him personally.

Other religions are man-made attempts to reach out to that impersonal God. But when it comes to Christianity, you see that God reached out to us by sending Jesus Christ to earth to live among us and allow us to get to know him.

The big difference between other religions and Christianity lies in the issue of salvation. Here's how and why Jesus and Jesus only saves:

God cannot have sin in his presence in heaven. He is holy, sin-free, perfect. All men are sinners, unholy, imperfect. Therefore, as he is, no man can enter heaven. Unfortunately, no man can make himself sin-free. No man can make himself holy as God is holy. Therefore, man cannot get into heaven by his own means. Atonement is needed for his sins, atonement that he cannot secure by his own methods.

Only man can atone for man's sins, but a sinner cannot atone for his sins and all men are sinners. Think of the Old Testament where only an unblemished animal was good enough to sacrifice. Animal sacrifices only covered sins. They didn't remove them.

So if only a man can atone for the sins of humankind and that man must be sin-free in order to do so, we are left with the problem of finding a man who is sin-free. The only way a man could be sin-free like God is to be both God and human. You and I and all other human beings who have ever lived and who ever will live are not God. Therefore, we cannot atone for anybody's sins, not ours, not those of others.

That's why God sent Jesus. Christ as God Incarnate came to earth as a man. He is the only sin-free man to ever live and is therefore the ONLY man who could atone for our sins and the ONLY man to offer salvation because, while he was man, he was also God at the same time!

If you look at other religions, salvation is works-oriented. People have to try to obey rules and do good works to earn salvation. But, as I pointed out, God will not have sinful man in heaven with him and no matter how many rules a man obeys or how many good works he does, he cannot make himself free of sin.

Christianity is the ONLY religion in which salvation is a gift given by the only being who could give it, that is, Jesus Christ. He takes our sin and gives us his righteousness in exchange. That's why it's only Jesus and not Buddha or Mohammed or anybody else. Jesus, as God Incarnate, died for us, rose from the dead, and lives. Buddha and Mohammed, as mere mortals, are dead. They did not have the power to save anybody.

Christian apologist, Ravi Zacharias, puts it this way: Jesus didn't come to make bad people good. He came to make dead people alive. I repeat, Buddha and Mohammed did not and could not have the power to do that. If you would like to learn more about this, I would suggest reading Ravi Zacharias' book entitled Jesus Among Other Gods. It explains why Christ and Christ alone saves in great detail.

kenken wrote: I have a hard time believing that any god that created us would slaughter this number of people. If what the bible says is true will this many actually die?

To that, I respond: God doesn’t slaughter people. He gives everyone the same option – to choose Christ or reject Christ. If people choose to reject Christ, then they choose to spend eternity separated from God.

You can say, “But what about those who have never heard about Jesus?†God knows the heart of each individual. If someone wants to know him, then he will always make himself known to that person. If God knows that someone will never come to him in love and acceptance, but will always remain hard-hearted and live in rebellion to him, then it is immaterial whether that person ever hears about Jesus.

Bear in mind that, while God gives Christians the privilege of witnessing to others, he doesn’t need people to spread the Gospel. He has reached out to many Muslims through dreams and visions to make himself known to them in countries where Christian missionaries are not allowed. You will find many testimonies of ex-Muslims who are now Christians who had the Lord reach them in that manner. Be assured that anybody who wants to know Jesus can and will. God is just and God doesn't make mistakes.
 
Vic C. said:
Why jesus and not muhammad or budda? If you add up all the muslims and hindues who do not believe in jesus it comes out to about 3.4 billion right now.

I have a hard time believing that any god that created us would slaughter this number of people. If what the bible says is true will this many actually die?
Who is saying anything about slaughter? But before you answer that, let ask, why don't they believe in Jesus? Have they never heard the Gospel? Have the heard and rejected? Have they heard from a teacher that the claims of Christianity aren't true?
Exactly! The Lord didn't slaughter anyone. I mean, besides entire towns because one person from there angered him, people who didn't worship him, that one guy's daughter because she was int he wrong place at the wrong time, and the entire population of Earth. But think about it, Satan killed three people! That's enough to convince you he's evil.
 
namewithheld said:
Exactly! The Lord didn't slaughter anyone. I mean, besides entire towns because one person from there angered him, people who didn't worship him, that one guy's daughter because she was int he wrong place at the wrong time, and the entire population of Earth. But think about it, Satan killed three people! That's enough to convince you he's evil.
What are you trying to tell us?

Westtexas
 
You know whats sad? All of these Gods are so diluted, mistranslated, altered, and slandered that it is probably impossible to pick the right God out of written words by MAN.

Heres hoping the real God will somehow convince me of his existence before I die so I don't go to hell!
 
TaemJ said:
You know whats sad? All of these Gods are so diluted, mistranslated, altered, and slandered that it is probably impossible to pick the right God out of written words by MAN.

Heres hoping the real God will somehow convince me of his existence before I die so I don't go to hell!

I would suggest that you find out more about Jesus. Investigating him and searching in that way led me to God after 20 long years. A good book to read is the Case for Christ.
 
Does that mean I should spend 20 years looking into other religions too.. to make sure I pick the right one?
 
TaemJ said:
Does that mean I should spend 20 years looking into other religions too.. to make sure I pick the right one?
Not at all. Most can be discarded through some research and applying principles for determining truth.

Having said that, the questions that most religions are trying to answer are more important than anything, so even if it did take 20 years, that is nothing compared to getting the right answers.
 
TaemJ said:
Does that mean I should spend 20 years looking into other religions too.. to make sure I pick the right one?

Just because it took me 20 years doesn't make that the standard. I was merely providing context. I had a falling out with faith when I was a teenager. Just this past year I starting searching again because I was tired of being a fence sitter. I decided I had to pick a belief. It took me about a year of my own research and journey and that led me to my belief in God and Christ.

Trust me when I say I did my homework and truly set out to find out what I thought the answer was. The aswer just happens to be Christ.
 
TaemJ said:
You know whats sad? All of these Gods are so diluted, mistranslated, altered, and slandered that it is probably impossible to pick the right God out of written words by MAN.

Heres hoping the real God will somehow convince me of his existence before I die so I don't go to hell!
You've made some pretty bold claims here. Are you implying that the Bible has been mistranslated, altered, diluted, and written by man? If so, what do you have to back up such claims?
 
History? Knowledge? Ancient Mesopotamia? The City of Babylon that was continuously taken over by different cultures who then burned and/or merged their enemies beliefs with theirs? The fact that multiple religions are basically spin offs of each other? That fact that those similar religions HATE each other with a passion?

Isn't the Torah basically the old Testament? Doesn't Judaism not believe Jesus was the son of God? Don't Islam and Christianity have a lot of the same key characters? Don't Muslims feel that the bible is a true revelation from God that has been corrupted by man.. now corrected by the Prophet Muhammad?

Written by man, yes.. as in.. People believe God told MAN to write what he was saying. But most of you would look at the Prophet Muhammad and think it was bullcrap.. because it was written by a man claiming to be writing on behalf of God.

The Bible has been translated into many languages from the biblical languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.

This link lists 100+ translations of the Christian bible.
http://www.tyndalearchive.com/Scriptures/index.htm

And you're telling me every translation was the correct translation? Even when certain words mean something else.. like the line that says something like "God fearing christian"? You're telling me that one man couldn't have.. in 2000 years.. changed one word to benefit an argument he was having? That however many men translated the bible, they never once acted HUMAN, or full of SIN?

Christian Denominations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ch ... ominations

But, I'm actually not that smart. I just got interested in Ancient Mesopotamia while working on an art project with some friends.. and now my mind is a little more open than it was before.

This part may be off topic.. but, say Islam was the second largest religion in the world.. and 70% of those people were raised up being taught Islam was right. How is 'Jesus' making sure those people don't die and go to hell because they believe their version is right? It can't be faith, right? Because they have faith that their God is the right God.. and that Muhammad is the prophet.. not Jesus. So, is God going to let them go to hell, or is he going to show himself to them in some way?
 
TaemJ said:
History? Knowledge? Ancient Mesopotamia? The City of Babylon that was continuously taken over by different cultures who then burned and/or merged their enemies beliefs with theirs? The fact that multiple religions are basically spin offs of each other? That fact that those similar religions HATE each other with a passion?

Isn't the Torah basically the old Testament? Doesn't Judaism not believe Jesus was the son of God? Don't Islam and Christianity have a lot of the same key characters? Don't Muslims feel that the bible is a true revelation from God that has been corrupted by man.. now corrected by the Prophet Muhammad?

Written by man, yes.. as in.. People believe God told MAN to write what he was saying. But most of you would look at the Prophet Muhammad and think it was bullcrap.. because it was written by a man claiming to be writing on behalf of God.
Just because there are similar beliefs in religions doesn't mean that everyone of them is wrong. Satan is a counterfeiter and twists and manipulates truth. He takes lies and laces them w/ bits of truth - that's how he deceived Eve and that's how attempted to deceive Jesus in the wilderness. So, why is it any real surprise to see that there are certain components in other world faiths that resemble Christian beliefs? This is why you test truth claims. The Bible stands up to the weight of scrutiny. It makes bold truth claims and substantiates them. Other religions can't do this, which is why they're false.

And you're telling me every translation was the correct translation? Even when certain words mean something else.. like the line that says something like "God fearing christian"? You're telling me that one man couldn't have.. in 2000 years.. changed one word to benefit an argument he was having? That however many men translated the bible, they never once acted HUMAN, or full of SIN?
Ok, I've heard this argument several times, but the important question is WHAT DO THE MANUSCRIPTS TELL US?? Do they reveal textual variations? Yes. Are these variations significant enough that it alters the message?? Absolutely NOT! So, my question for you is what EVIDENCE do you have that backs up your theory? Or are you basing this off your own personal opinion because it sounds plausible to you?

What about the Dead Sea Scrolls that confirm textual transmission and copy from the 11th century back to 100 BC?? The Isaiah scroll in the DSS only have 17 letters varying from the Leningrad Codex in 1000 AD. Furthermore, we have over 5,500 Greek New Testament manuscripts or portions (over 24,000 NT manuscripts total in various languages). That's an embarrassing amount of ancient manuscripts that leaves all other ancient writings in the dust. When scholars study the manuscripts, what do they find? Do they find that the text has been drastically altered over 2,000 yrs or do they find that the message has been incredibly preserved and faithfully transmitted? They find the latter to be the case.

But, I'm actually not that smart. I just got interested in Ancient Mesopotamia while working on an art project with some friends.. and now my mind is a little more open than it was before.
Open? Maybe. But it sounds like you still have a lot of reading to do on the topic before jumping to wild conclusions that are hardly rooted in any kind of fact.

This part may be off topic.. but, say Islam was the second largest religion in the world.. and 70% of those people were raised up being taught Islam was right. How is 'Jesus' making sure those people don't die and go to hell because they believe their version is right? It can't be faith, right? Because they have faith that their God is the right God.. and that Muhammad is the prophet.. not Jesus.
Who said that Jesus has to make sure everyone doesn't go to hell?? Certainly not the Bible! And people have faith in wrong things all the time. You can have faith and be sincerely wrong. Again, Satan distorts & counterfeits truth, hence all the false religions in the world.
So, is God going to let them go to hell, or is he going to show himself to them in some way?
The answer to this is God has compassion on whom He has compassion, and mercy on whom He has mercy (Romans 9:15). God is not obligated to show up and reveal Himself to anyone because He's already revealed Himself to the world through Jesus Christ. Does God save Muslims? Yes. Just like He saves Jews, atheists, Buddhists, Mormons, and every other former member of a false religion. Will He save all of them? No. The Bible never teaches universalism and God is completely just in sending the whole world to hell if He so chooses because that's what it deserves! We're sinners and we deserve hell. If you're not covered by the blood of Jesus' sacrifice to atone for your sin, then you stand condemned (John 3:16-18). God will save those He's elected since before creation (Ephesians 1:4,5) and the rest of the world are objects of His wrath so that His mercy is magnified in His chosen people and He receives the most glory (Romans 9). But praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ that all those who are in Christ are no longer condemned (Romans 8:1)! :amen
 
While there is a lot to consider and investigate, it is not impossible to find the truth of the matter.

The Torah is the same as the first five books of the OT. Judaism doesn't recognize Jesus as the Son of God but the first several thousand followers of Jesus were Jews who recognized Jesus as the Messiah foretold throughout the OT.

Islam, on the other hand, makes claims regarding the Christian Scriptures which they cannot backup. They believe what the Qur'an states about Jesus despite the gospels being the best texts regarding the life and teachings of Jesus. They somehow make the claim that it really wasn't he who was crucified despite having no reason for doing so. If they claim it is because the Qur'an says so, which would you rather believe--the gospels (all of which were finished by 100 AD) or the Qur'an (which wasn't even given until after 600 AD)?

Many such claims Muslims make are reason for not believing that Islam and the Qur'an are from God.

As for Muslims going to hell, many have heard the good news but they choose to reject it and remain adherents of Islam. However, Ravi Zacharias has stated that he knows of many Muslims who have had personal visions of Jesus coming to them and have converted to Christianity as a result.
 
Well, I see that people have provided reasons why not to choose Islam.
However, what of the myriad of other religions throughout the world?
 
Reido said:
Well, I see that people have provided reasons why not to choose Islam.
However, what of the myriad of other religions throughout the world?
They all fail when tested against truth. Christianity is the only one that stands up to the claims it makes, making it the only truthful one.
 
toddm said:
Reido said:
Well, I see that people have provided reasons why not to choose Islam.
However, what of the myriad of other religions throughout the world?
They all fail when tested against truth. Christianity is the only one that stands up to the claims it makes, making it the only truthful one.
Can you provide proof of their failure and Christianity's success?
 
Reido said:
toddm said:
Reido said:
Well, I see that people have provided reasons why not to choose Islam.
However, what of the myriad of other religions throughout the world?
They all fail when tested against truth. Christianity is the only one that stands up to the claims it makes, making it the only truthful one.
Can you provide proof of their failure and Christianity's success?
Well, I could but I frankly don't have the time for such a monstrous task. Have you read any books on why Christianity's truth claims surpass other religions?
 
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