why the virgin birth ?

[daniel6177]

Jesus ...born of a virgin concieved of the Holy Spirit.

Was this for a sign or is there a deeper meaning. Was this necessary for other reasons than to fulfill prophecy ? I think it was.

 

[Jon-Marc]

I have always been told that the reason for Him not having an earthly father is so that He wouldn't inherit a sin nature. My question is: Don't women have a sin nature? The way my first wife gave herself to any man who would have her, I would have to that they do. So why didn't Jesus inherit a sin nature from Mary? She wasn't sinless despite what the Catholics believe.

 

[Paidion]

I think this was necessary in order for the Son of God to have become human. If Joseph had been Jesus' father, then Jesus would have been an ordinary human being and not the Son of God.

Jesus WAS an ordinary human being in one sense. In becoming human, He divested Himself of all His divine characteristics. He retained only His pre-incarnate identity. Could the pre-incarnate Son of God have become man without the virgin birth? I think not.

 

[LostSoul]

As others have stated, it was likely due to man's sinful nature. What form of perfect sacrificial lamb would Jesus have been had he been born with two human parents? Seeing as Jesus was concieved by the Holy Spirit and formed within the womb of a virgin.....Jesus even at birth, was the perfect picture of innocence.

After all...how could our Savior be of God, when He indeed was born fully of man? Think Jesus' birth in itself is but another wonderful part of Christ's testimony.

 

[kingdavid]

Jesus ...born of a virgin concieved of the Holy Spirit.

Was this for a sign or is there a deeper meaning. Was this necessary for other reasons than to fulfill prophecy ? I think it was.

he was born without sex because sex was the original sin whereby man fell in the garden and corrupted himself. that is how we became polluted in our own blood was by a "CROSS" of the blood lines. That is why Jesus died upon a "CROSS" and born without sex through the womb of the woman. for it was the womb of a woman that brought the curse of death upon man. that is where the child is born in sin and shaped in iniquity, is in the womb. that was the antedote for the poison that was injected into the true human race, to redeem us.

 

[Cornelius]

I have always been told that the reason for Him not having an earthly father is so that He wouldn't inherit a sin nature. My question is: Don't women have a sin nature? The way my first wife gave herself to any man who would have her, I would have to that they do. So why didn't Jesus inherit a sin nature from Mary? She wasn't sinless despite what the Catholics believe.

There is a simple medical reason for it. The mother does not share blood with the baby. Sin gets transferred by the blood. The life of the FLESH is in the blood.Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood;

Jesus shared no blood from a human. His was pure.

This fact obviously was not known by the writers of the Bible. Which just proves again the authenticity of God writing the Word. God obviously knows the medical fact and that was the reason for the virgin birth.

 

[Sinthesis]

Jesus ...born of a virgin concieved of the Holy Spirit.

Was this for a sign or is there a deeper meaning. Was this necessary for other reasons than to fulfill prophecy ? I think it was.

he was born without sex because sex was the original sin whereby man fell in the garden and corrupted himself. that is how we became polluted in our own blood was by a "CROSS" of the blood lines. That is why Jesus died upon a "CROSS" and born without sex through the womb of the woman. for it was the womb of a woman that brought the curse of death upon man. that is where the child is born in sin and shaped in iniquity, is in the womb. that was the antedote for the poison that was injected into the true human race, to redeem us.

So 'be fruitful, and multiply' the is original sin? God instructed Adam and Eve to sin? :biglol :biglol

 

[kingdavid]

Jesus ...born of a virgin concieved of the Holy Spirit.

Was this for a sign or is there a deeper meaning. Was this necessary for other reasons than to fulfill prophecy ? I think it was.

he was born without sex because sex was the original sin whereby man fell in the garden and corrupted himself. that is how we became polluted in our own blood was by a "CROSS" of the blood lines. That is why Jesus died upon a "CROSS" and born without sex through the womb of the woman. for it was the womb of a woman that brought the curse of death upon man. that is where the child is born in sin and shaped in iniquity, is in the womb. that was the antedote for the poison that was injected into the true human race, to redeem us.

So 'be fruitful, and multiply' the is original sin? God instructed Adam and Eve to sin? :biglol :biglol

that was after man fell and the judgements of God had been given. I didn't say adam and eve having sex was original sin, silly goose. eve had sex with the serpent who looked like man and could talk like man but he was bigger and better looking than man was which is why eve fell for him and corrupted her womb. God turned the serpent into a snake after he did his wicked deed. :amen :amen :amen

 

[Paidion]

I have always been told that the reason for Him not having an earthly father is so that He wouldn't inherit a sin nature. My question is: Don't women have a sin nature? The way my first wife gave herself to any man who would have her, I would have to that they do. So why didn't Jesus inherit a sin nature from Mary? She wasn't sinless despite what the Catholics believe.

I think Christ had the same nature as any other human being. He cried like any other baby (contrary to the Xmas carol "Away in a Manger"); He wet his diapers (or whatever they used in those day) like any other baby; he fussed when He was hungry, etc.,etc.,etc.

If He hadn't had a sinful nature, why would He have been "tempted in every respect as we are"? (Hebrews 4:15). Any being without a sinful nature would not be tempted to sin. If sinning were totally contrary to Christ's nature, then overcoming sin would be impossible since there would be nothing to overcome. But He was "tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sin"! The fact is that He WAS tempted as we are, but He never once gave in to temptation, but was victorious over sin on every occasion of it. Thus He was "the pioneer and perfecter of our faith" by showing us just as He overcame sin through trusting His Father, so we can overcome sin by trusting Christ.

Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses [men and women in the past who did great things though faith], let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. Hebrews 12:1-4 RSV

 

[Cornelius]

I have always been told that the reason for Him not having an earthly father is so that He wouldn't inherit a sin nature. My question is: Don't women have a sin nature? The way my first wife gave herself to any man who would have her, I would have to that they do. So why didn't Jesus inherit a sin nature from Mary? She wasn't sinless despite what the Catholics believe.

I think Christ had the same nature as any other human being. He cried like any other baby (contrary to the Xmas carol "Away in a Manger"); He wet his diapers (or whatever they used in those day) like any other baby; he fussed when He was hungry, etc.,etc.,etc.

If He hadn't had a sinful nature, why would He have been "tempted in every respect as we are"? (Hebrews 4:15). Any being without a sinful nature would not be tempted to sin. If sinning were totally contrary to Christ's nature, then overcoming sin would be impossible since there would be nothing to overcome. But He was "tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sin"! The fact is that He WAS tempted as we are, but He never once gave in to temptation, but was victorious over sin on every occasion of it. Thus He was "the pioneer and perfecter of our faith" by showing us just as He overcame sin through trusting His Father, so we can overcome sin by trusting Christ.

Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses [men and women in the past who did great things though faith], let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. Hebrews 12:1-4 RSV

Adam and Eve was not created with a sinful nature, yet they sinned after being tempted.

2Co 5:21 Him who knew no sin (no sinful nature) he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Paidion]

2Co 5:21 Him who knew no sin (no sinful nature) he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

Your parenthetical explanation is pure supposition. If "sin" means "sinful nature" then it also means "sinful nature" in the second occurrence. Was Jesus made to be "sinful nature" on our behalf?

The verse states that He knew no SIN. This simply means that He never sinned.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be [the object of] sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. RSV

Now you have the opportunity of asserting that MY parenthetical insertion is pure supposition!

Yet, that's what I think is meant. God made Him the object of His killers' sin by His death on the cross, so that we might become the object of God's righteousness, that is, that God's righteousness might make it possible for us to become righteous.

 

[daniel6177]

I have always been told that the reason for Him not having an earthly father is so that He wouldn't inherit a sin nature. My question is: Don't women have a sin nature? The way my first wife gave herself to any man who would have her, I would have to that they do. So why didn't Jesus inherit a sin nature from Mary? She wasn't sinless despite what the Catholics believe.

Indeed woman possess sin nature,,however the sin nature of man is passed down from the seed of man. Women do not pass sin along.This to me is why the virgin birth was necessary. Jesus did not posess sin nature.

 

[LostSoul]

Indeed woman possess sin nature,,however the sin nature of man is passed down from the seed of man. Women do not pass sin along.This to me is why the virgin birth was necessary. Jesus did not posess sin nature.

Women alone possess sinful nature? I understand that Eve was the first to commit any form of sinful act. However, NOWHERE in scripture does it depict that Adam was FORCED to eat of the forbidden fruit. Perhaps it is just me...but I have always felt and believed that BOTH were equally guilty in falling into temptation.

As to the virgin birth....I have already specified my thoughts up above. I apologize for any offense caused. None was meant.

May God Bless You

Danielle

 

[daniel6177]

Women alone possess sinful nature? I

Im sorry if thats how that sounded, that is not how I meant it. No i was agreeing with the poster that woman do possess sin nature. of course men do as well. Adam was as guilty as eve and it was because of adam that we posess sin nature.
Again sorry for the misunderstanding

 

[LostSoul]

Women alone possess sinful nature? I

Im sorry if thats how that sounded, that is not how I meant it. No i was agreeing with the poster that woman do possess sin nature. of course men do as well. Adam was as guilty as eve and it was because of adam that we posess sin nature.
Again sorry for the misunderstanding

It is alright. I blame the emotions of a pregnant woman! *chuckles*

 

[lovely]

Eve was deceived into sin, and sinned. Adam was not deceived, and yet sinned. The Bible says through one man, Adam, sin entered into the world. Eve was tempted by a serpent, satan, to eat of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It's that simple...it was a real tree. We will all one day eat of the tree of life. Women and Men are both sinners, but it is the seed of Adam that will be passed on to future children. I am a sinner, because I am a daughter of Eve by the seed of Adam. Women bear the children of men, they were made for man. As the weaker vessel, we are easily deceived, and that is why satan went to her instead of recognizing Adam as her head.

So, since Adam's seed are born into sin, and Jesus was not born of the seed of man, but of God, Jesus was not born into sin, and He did not sin. All the rest of us are born into sin, and sin. Jesus was to be the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...He knew no sin. He was also to be our King, and so He was Royalty through Joseph (He had Joseph's family name) and Mary who were of the house of David, and through God...King of kings.

Mary was a virgin for the sake of purity...would the Holy Spirit come upon a woman who already knew a man? No, not in a womb that has already born the seed of Adam. It was also a matter of witness to us, a birth from above, a miracle. It was also a picture of our own rebirth in the Spirit. He had to be born, to be in the flesh to die and rise again. He had to be a Priest of no lineage He could not have a physical earthly father and qualify for an eternal priesthood. Jesus also had to be a Jew. So, He was born to a Jewish family, through a Jewish virgin ,so that He would be of the chosen race and be able to keep the Law, and fulfill the Law. They were entrusted with the written word of God, and the Word of God. They were given manna from heaven, and He is Manna from Heaven. Jesus was to be a Prophet, and so He was born of God to be the Revelation of God to us. This was all important for the covenant to be changed. It was God's plan, and it was important for our redemption. Again, Jesus was the Lamb of God. There is no remission without the shedding of blood, and as Cornelius said the life is in the blood...His blood was pure and holy, and He alone was worthy to drink from the bitter cup, and through His shed blood we have life.

There are probably more reasons, and they would all fall under the umbrella of prophecy and a fulfillment of God's plan of love.

 

[Godbless]

I have always been told that the reason for Him not having an earthly father is so that He wouldn't inherit a sin nature. My question is: Don't women have a sin nature? The way my first wife gave herself to any man who would have her, I would have to that they do. So why didn't Jesus inherit a sin nature from Mary? She wasn't sinless despite what the Catholics believe.

There is a simple medical reason for it. The mother does not share blood with the baby. Sin gets transferred by the blood. The life of the FLESH is in the blood.Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood;

Jesus shared no blood from a human. His was pure.

This fact obviously was not known by the writers of the Bible. Which just proves again the authenticity of God writing the Word. God obviously knows the medical fact and that was the reason for the virgin birth.

Very nice observation, I learn't something today thanks


Godbless

 

[kingdavid]

Eve was deceived into sin, and sinned. Adam was not deceived, and yet sinned. The Bible says through one man, Adam, sin entered into the world. Eve was tempted by a serpent, satan, to eat of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It's that simple...it was a real tree. We will all one day eat of the tree of life. Women and Men are both sinners, but it is the seed of Adam that will be passed on to future children. I am a sinner, because I am a daughter of Eve by the seed of Adam. Women bear the children of men, they were made for man. As the weaker vessel, we are easily deceived, and that is why satan went to her instead of recognizing Adam as her head.

So, since Adam's seed are born into sin, and Jesus was not born of the seed of man, but of God, Jesus was not born into sin, and He did not sin. All the rest of us are born into sin, and sin. Jesus was to be the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...He knew no sin. He was also to be our King, and so He was Royalty through Joseph (He had Joseph's family name) and Mary who were of the house of David, and through God...King of kings.

Mary was a virgin for the sake of purity...would the Holy Spirit come upon a woman who already knew a man? No, not in a womb that has already born the seed of Adam. It was also a matter of witness to us, a birth from above, a miracle. It was also a picture of our own rebirth in the Spirit. He had to be born, to be in the flesh to die and rise again. He had to be a Priest of no lineage He could not have a physical earthly father and qualify for an eternal priesthood. Jesus also had to be a Jew. So, He was born to a Jewish family, through a Jewish virgin ,so that He would be of the chosen race and be able to keep the Law, and fulfill the Law. They were entrusted with the written word of God, and the Word of God. They were given manna from heaven, and He is Manna from Heaven. Jesus was to be a Prophet, and so He was born of God to be the Revelation of God to us. This was all important for the covenant to be changed. It was God's plan, and it was important for our redemption. Again, Jesus was the Lamb of God. There is no remission without the shedding of blood, and as Cornelius said the life is in the blood...His blood was pure and holy, and He alone was worthy to drink from the bitter cup, and through His shed blood we have life.

There are probably more reasons, and they would all fall under the umbrella of prophecy and a fulfillment of God's plan of love.

the tree of life is Christ, a person and the tree of knowledge of good and evil was a being, the serpent.

the true believer becomes apart of the tree of life as he said he is the vine we are the branches. they were not literal trees, they represented beings. the serpent was the tree of knowledge(carnal-sexual knowledge) of good and evil that eve lay down and touched. she couldn't wait for her husband which is the same reason the church went off philandering with that beast man of revelation-the pope and became a great whore, just like eve was. eve had natural relations with a beast man and the church spiritual committed fornication against Christ with that beast a man-the pope as written in revelations. the revelation at the end is the same at the end as it was in the beginning. alpha has become omega. the church did spiritualy what eve did naturally. eve desecrated her womb and the church desecrated her womb(the mind is the womb of the spirit)

 

[Jon-Marc]

he was born without sex because sex was the original sin whereby man fell in the garden and corrupted himself.

Where did you get that idea? Sex had nothing whatsoever to do with the fall. It was caused by disobedience in eating of the forbidden fruit.

 

[daniel6177]

the tree of life is Christ, a person and the tree of knowledge of good and evil was a being, the serpent.

Ahhh and let me guess. Eve had sex with satan? then of course adam has to have sex with him because scripture says he ate also.
This view is straight out of the mouth of arnold murray and is complete heresy like everything else he says.