Why Unmarried Christians Are Having Sex?

[iLOVE]

These Christians Believers are called "Carnal Christians". These people are part of the family of God (Paul calls them brethren). Though they have the Holy Spirit (unlike the natural man of 1 Corinthians 2:14) they are not behaving like spiritual people, but like carnal - that is, fleshly -people, like immature Christians (babes in Christ). The "Carnal Christian" is a child of God, born again and on his way to heaven, but they are traveling third class.

Greetings to you iLOVE

I would have to offer Scripture to re-butte this claim that was presented here. You and I can agree that the Bible is the Authority of God's Word? Therefore, let us examine through Scripture about this practice. But if you have a Scripture that says clearly the sexually immoral can and will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, I will be willing to review that Scripture with you. But it must clearly say that the sexual immoral can inherit the Kingdom.

I put emphasis on "clearly say" because we do not want to turn nor twist Scripture to fit anyone's opinion, but rather use it as a guide for our lives as a map to our destiny.... Heaven!

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Mark 7:20-23 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Ephesians 5:3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.


If a brother or sister repent of their sins, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins; but we shall not continue in that sin because then there was no repentance, just words spoken without obedience.

I hope this will clarify my position and what I feel is the clear teaching of the Bible.

Thoughts?


God Bless

Welcome back my brother,

I 100% disagree with you. There are several forums running at the same time on OSAS. I have posted several times on this subject with scriptures.

 

[Atonement]

Thank you iLOVE, it's nice to see you as well ....



First, I want you to know that it's okay that we will not agree on everything, I don't expect that from anyone. However, we must use the Word of God as the final authority, do you agree with that statement?

If you agree that we should use the Word of God as the final authority, then I have asked that you provide any and all Scripture(s) here in this thread that "clearly" teach that fornicators and the sexual immoral can inherit the Kingdom of God? Sorry, I'm not trying to turn this into a OSAS thread, and I hope you are not trying to either, nor do I want to search the forums to find such threads here; I pick and choose my threads very carefully and for good reason. So again, if you have Scripture(s) that "clearly" teach us this, please share them here. As I stated if possible, please show us just one verse, that say's sexual immoral people can inherit the Kingdom? Can you find one passage that says both in the same passage? If so I will be willing to look at it with you, but until that time. I stand firm in my conviction and in the authority of the Word of God.

God Bless you brother

 

[Slider]

Well, I could give my answer, but it wouldn't be popular.

By the way..... Anyone know from the Bible what a "Christian marriage" involves? Or a Jewish one for that manner? I mean, what did God have to say about how to conduct a marriage between two people? I'm asking cause even though I've read the whole Bible, I can't remember how God said a marriage should be performed. The only thing I can remember is not to let the wine run out! That of course, is from the wedding at Cana. However, I don't remember in the Bible details on how to perform a wedding.

There is an interesting thing.... In John 4:16-18 there is an interesting exchange between the Samaritan woman and Jesus. Jesus tells the woman to get her husband, she says she doesn't have one. Jesus said, "You're right! You've had 5 and the one you have now ain't yours" [paraphrasing]. It's.... pretty..... curious..... What was Jesus saying?

Nontheless, he knew something about that woman, and what he knew seems to tell me that she was a pretty shady character.... Ain't judging! Just saying! But Jesus was still willing and trying to give her "that water". He told her things he didn't tell the disciples, and by Jewish law he wasn't even supposed to talk to her.

This is what Jesus did when he met this woman... He didn't even seem interested in whatever the woman did until she brought it up, and even then he didn't really come down on her. He did expose her, but he didn't gossip about her or embarrase her in front of others. He actually gave her a pretty neat gift.... What a wonderful way to be when you see and know a person is sinning! Yea.... He told her about herself... But it wasn't like he gossiped about her or told her to get away from him or told her she was going to hell. And this was how a guy who people say never sinned addressed a sinner! How should sinners address other sinners????

Oh, alright.... I'll tell you my answer even though many won't find it popular.... Why are unmarried Christian having sex? Cause they are still in the flesh. They are still sinners in that they are still in the flesh. And even if they aren't having sex, I would bet they are thinking about it.... So they are just as guilty.

 

[Atonement]

Oh, alright.... I'll tell you my answer even though many won't find it popular.... Why are unmarried Christian having sex? Cause they are still in the flesh. They are still sinners in that they are still in the flesh. And even if they aren't having sex, I would bet they are thinking about it.... So they are just as guilty.

Greetings to you on this beautiful Monday morning [MENTION=89337]Slider[/MENTION]

I 'm not sure I would agree that a person who is not having sex but thinking it is as guilty. We need to understand that God implanted that urge in each one of us because God created sex and gave each of us a sex drive. However, which would be easier for us to do:

1) Asking God to forgive us of our thoughts and to help renew our minds when ever these thoughts arise (which is only natural)
2) Asking God to forgive us of our fornication and lay down with our partner the same evening

Throughout Scripture we never see a man condemned for having these thoughts, but is condemned by giving into the lust of the flesh, as I mentioned in the Scriptures above in this thread. Jesus took it to a whole new level, He was telling us that even our thought process was not mindful of the things of God. But if we confess our sin He is faithful to forgive them.

God Bless you

 

[Sparkey]

I would bet they are thinking about it.... So they are just as guilty.

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That, to me, is a strange concept.

My thought: . o O (perhaps Slider's heart and thoughts on the matter are not well stated)

Consider the mystery that the Holy Spirit (who is utterly apart from all sin) spoke of through Paul when the "mystery" of the two becoming one flesh was explained. No guilt there. So often we confuse lust with sex. The two are not the same. One is self serving and surrounded by ultimate pain and there are many sign-posts along the way that read:
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[Slider]

Atonement,

I enjoyed reading your post... Let me comment...

I 'm not sure I would agree that a person who is not having sex but thinking it is as guilty. We need to understand that God implanted that urge in each one of us because God created sex and gave each of us a sex drive. However, which would be easier for us to do:

Consider then the words of Jesus in Mat 5:27-28. It says if you look on a woman to lust you have committed adultery in your heart already. Now I ask you as a man.... How are you going to NOT look at a pretty girl and admire her? Ladies, I can't relate to you, but how can you not look on a handsome man and not admire him? Is there a "5 second rule" here? Can we think about it for 4 seconds and then shun ourselves for thinking it, so then it doesn't count?

Furthermore, I think Jesus said that to make a point. It was about adultery, which technically doesn't apply to what we are talking about. We are talking about unwed Christians having sex. In adultery, at least one of them is married. However, I believe the point Jesus was making goes beyond that. I believe he was talking about sin in general. I believe he was saying, "sin is in your mind and there is nothing you can do about it, but there is something I can do about it."

And that goes for stealing, lying and anything else against the Law of Moses, which we break every day. James said in his epistle (2:10) that if you offend one point of the Law you are guilty of the whole Law. Combind that with Jesus saying that if we so much as think to sin, we are guilty, then you have a no win situation. That is why grace through faith is so important! We all need it whether we remain a virgin until we are married or not. You may have passed that one, but did you think about it? Ok.... Aside from that, I bet somewhere you broke the Law and did so intentionally!

I have to say you asked a very interesting question:

However, which would be easier for us to do:

1) Asking God to forgive us of our thoughts and to help renew our minds when ever these thoughts arise (which is only natural)
2) Asking God to forgive us of our fornication and lay down with our partner the same evening

What would be "easier for us to do".... I'm sorry, but I tend to take words literally and exactly. So by that question there is a maturity level in Christ that comes into play. The question was not, "what's easier for God to forgive..." The question is what is easier for us to ask. If the question was "what is easier for God to forgive?" the answer is simple... It's a stupid question because he can forgive it just as easily either way. What's easier for us to ask? Well, that depends on us forgiving ourselves. You ask forgiveness and God's going to grant it if you are covered by grace! So it comes down to personal guilt. Therefore the answer is it is easier for us to ask forgiveness for thinking it, rather than doing it.

But that ain't God's problem... That's our own pride. God is going to forgive you if you are faithful to him. We are ashamed of ourselves for doing it, but God gives forgiveness and sees our sins as covered.

I can give scriptural backing for everything I just said.

Now.... I want to say something else. I do speak of grace and such.... And God will forgive anyone who sins if they are faithful. He don't forgive those that aren't faithful, so you better learn what it means to be faithful. In any sense.... Just because God forgives you doesn't mean there won't be consiquences. Grace covers the inward man, but the outward man still has to pay for sins. In other words.... A bank robber can ask for forgiveness and if granted, he isn't going to hell, but he is going to jail! For almost every sin there is a price to pay.

Sticking to this topic, yes.... Grace will cover you if you are faithful to God and you have sex before you are married. You will be forgiven by God. But you ain't going to be forgiven by the church rats.... They are going to gossip about you and run you down... That's unfortunate, and they are all in danger of going to hell for being hypocrites, but it's going to happen. Furthermore, you run the risk of getting disease or an unwanted pregnency. On that I don't know which is worse. I think the unwanted pregnency is worse because you are bringing a child into this world that is already messed up, and you have no plan RIGHT NOW to care for that child. I pray that if that happens, you'll find the means to do so. However, it is a life altering decision. Grace covers it, but you are still going to pay for it in this life!

Not to mention that if you are any type of an emotional human, saving yourself for one you truly come to love will be rewarding. Trust me, in this day and age, you'll be "two out of a million"! Otherwise, it'll produce "baggage" and hurt feelings (potentially).

 

[Slider]

That, to me, is a strange concept.

Yea, Sparrowhawke... I believe it is a strange concept to you....

 

[Sparkey]

Yea, Sparrowhawke... I believe it is a strange concept to you....

That was uncalled for. What part of Holy is the difficult part to understand. Thoughts about sex are not defined by God as sinful. Guilt for listening to what the Lord has declared is a trick of his enemy as I am sure you know.

 

[Slider]

Thoughts about sex are not defined by God as sinful.

Not according to Matthew 5:28.

 

[Sparkey]

Not according to Matthew 5:28.

You see no difference made in the Holy Word of God between what is spoken of by Paul as a mystery describing the what happens between a man and a woman when the two become one flesh and what is spoken elsewhere as "lust"? I'm sad to hear you say this. By the way, I harbor neither ill will nor 'grievance' toward you.

 

[reba]

enough closed for review

 

[reba]

This thread is now open....