Muhsen said:
Yes Jesus (PBUH) wasn’t sinner nor Muhammad (PBUH) because they are prophets.
Prophets do not commit sins
Muhammad and the MURDER of Asma b. Marwan
BACKGROUND
Muhammad had Abu Afak murdered. Asma b. Marwan spoke out against Muhammad for having the old man murdered. She encouraged her fellow tribesmen to take action against the murderer. When Muhammad heard of what she had said, he continued his killing spree and had her murdered.
How much of a threat was she to Muhammad? In all likely-hood, she would have great difficulty in attacking Muhammad herself. She needed men to stand up to Muhammad. Look deeper at the event and examine the context of Asma's relationship to her tribe.
First of all, her tribe was not under Muhammad's rule. Perhaps they had a treaty with Muhammad, perhaps not. Either way, this women was free to speak her mind. If a treaty existed, and she was out of line, Muhammad could have complained to her tribe's leaders, and they could have commanded her to be silent.
What's more noteworthy about this event is that after she was murdered, Muhammad said "Two goats won't butt their head about her", meaning no one will care about her death. (Well except her children and her family).
Also note, that there were already people from her tribe who had become Muslims. Certainly these people were not going to listen to her.
The point is this: if no one really cared about her being murdered, then no one really cared about what she had to say. Her people also knew about Muhammad having Abu Afak murdered, and they didn't seem to care about that either. Even in that light, no one would take her serious enough to listen to her urgings to murder Muhammad, who was the leader of a powerful group of people. None of her people were willing to put their lives on the line for her words.
The bottom line is this: Asma b. Marwan was not a legitimate threat to Muhammad.
So why then did Muhammad really request Asma's murder?
Try multiple choice:
a) Muhammad believed that she constituted a legitimate threat to himself, so he ordered her murdered
b) Muhammad was bothered by her words, and wanted her silenced
c) God told Muhammad to have this woman murdered
Obviously, the only real choice is (b). She didn't scare him, she was not the leader of her tribe, and she had little or no influence. She was little more than a nuisance to him. If God told Muhammad to go and kill her, Muhammad would have claimed to have a revelation like "Oh Muslims, Allah says to go and kill Asma b. Marwan". And it would have happened immediately. If that was the case then Muslims would have attacked her in force in the daylight.
The only conclusion is that Asma challenged Muhammad’s ego and actions. This troubled Muhammad and he wanted her silenced.
Comments
What alarms me the most about Islam is its disposition to violence and use of violence as a standard of God's will.
Umayr is a perfect example of this. Here is a Muslim man, a friend of Muhammad's, acting upon Muhammad's request and going into a woman's home under the cover of night. He comes upon the women, sleeping in her bed with her child, and murders her by plunging a sword through her body.
Afterwards, Muhammad tells the man that he has "helped God and his apostle". If Allah were really threatened by this woman, I think He could have killed her Himself, don't you? Does God need men to sneak around in the night and murder sleeping women?
Further, what kind of religion is Islam really? Soon after Umayr murdered Asma, he went to her family and mocked them! He was laughing in their faces that he had murdered their mother and that they were powerless to do anything about it! Here is the quote again:
"She had five sons, and when Umayr went to them from the apostle he said, "I have killed bint Marwan, O sons of Khatma. Withstand me if you can; don't keep me waiting."
I also have to criticize the non-Muslim Arabs in Muhammad's time. They did lack a sense of the value of human life. Here one of their own woman was murdered, and instead of being appalled, they began to convert to Islam because they "saw the power of Islam".
Finally, look at the power of Islam. Here is the quote:
"That was the first day Islam became powerful among B. Khatma..... The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because they saw the power of Islam."
So then, the power of Islam is to go about and murder sleeping women in the night, and get away with it?
Does "might make right" ring true in Islam? Is it "he who has the biggest sword is from Allah?
The only people I know who respect that kind of power are criminals, Mafia type people who also go in the night and murder people while they sleep.
QUESTIONS
What kind of a man was Muhammad? Did he really need to ask his men to murder a mother of five, a women who was no legitimate threat to him?
Why couldn't Muhammad murder her himself? Why is it that every time Muhammad wanted someone killed, he always got someone else to do his killing?
Look at this dark side of Islam. This is the Islam Muhammad practiced. When the founder of a religion has to have powerless women murdered in the night for opposing him, how can that religion be described?
Where are "women's rights", or "human rights" now in Islam? If Muhammad denied freedom of speech to others, how does that reflect upon Islam and what we see occurring in the Islamic world today? Why is it that the more fundamentalist Muslim nations become, the more oppressive they are toward all basic human rights?
Is this Muhammad a man that you could really trust?
CONCLUSION
We know that there are good and bad in all religions, but this case is different. This event reflects upon the man who started Islam: Islam is built upon Muhammad's words and deeds. We see here that Muhammad had a woman brutally murdered. She was killed because she spoke out against him, and became more of a nuisance, not a legitimate threat. Further, Muhammad had no legal right to kill her. He took the situation into his own hands and had her murdered. Muhammad felt that this murder was helping God; he felt no guilt, or sense of repentance.
Jesus condemned those who murdered ...."Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral,
the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood" Revelation 22:15. Muhammad falls into that category. Surely, this man Muhammad was not a real prophet of God.
To see the Islamic sources quoted, go here:
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/muhammad/asma.htm
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