will turkey go head to head with Isreal?

[johnny botwright]

will Turkey brake from nato, and go head to head with Israel, which nations would join with Turkey, bringing about a pslam 83 senerio.?

johnny

 

[interpreter]

Yes, Turkey's president is evidently one of the demon-possessed Kings of the east who start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. There will also be one or more false prophets (i.e, Christian nations) that will be alligned with the beast. (Russia is probably one and is also in the east). The Battle of Ar Mageddon began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.

 

[David505]

The Battle of Ar Mageddon began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.

Thanks interpreter,

Kinda scratchin' my head about that one, although the following scriptures may suggest a Turkish angle:

13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Loose the four angels who are bound in the great river, Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, who were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand; and I heard the number of them (Revelation 9: 13-16).

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river, Euphrates, and its water was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared (Revelation 16: 12).

John’s reference to the draining of the Euphrates—its water was dried up (Rev. 16: 12)—may envision Turkey’s Southeast Anatolia Project. The project links 22 dams across the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers with the capability to reduce outflows to a trickle. A parched Euphrates, coursing through Iraq and Syria in close proximity to Israel, provides a suitable crossing for a mechanized force, and may also portend a future Turkish and East Asian alliance.

 

[interpreter]

The Battle of Ar Mageddon began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.

Thanks interpreter,

Kinda scratchin' my head about that one, although the following scriptures may suggest a Turkish angle:

13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Loose the four angels who are bound in the great river, Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, who were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand; and I heard the number of them (Revelation 9: 13-16).

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river, Euphrates, and its water was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared (Revelation 16: 12).

John’s reference to the draining of the Euphrates—its water was dried up (Rev. 16: 12)—may envision Turkey’s Southeast Anatolia Project. The project links 22 dams across the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers with the capability to reduce outflows to a trickle. A parched Euphrates, coursing through Iraq and Syria in close proximity to Israel, provides a suitable crossing for a mechanized force, and may also portend a future Turkish and East Asian alliance.

Yes, Turkey's huge Araturk dam played a role in the drying up the Euphrates, plus 2 new dams built by Saddam Hussein, and a diversion canal he dug which he called the Mother of All Battle River. The Euphrates also dried up last year, which was caused by Turkey. Turkey can dry it up anytime it wants to.

 

[Sinthesis]

Nowadays (last days?) we build these things called bridges. :crazy

 

[interpreter]

Nowadays (last days?) we build these things called bridges. :crazy

The only reason the Euphrates was dried up by Saddam Hussein was to prepare the way for the Battle of Ar Mageddon (which Muslims call the Mother of All Battles). It is the final battle between good and evil, and then the Satanic beast of the Revelation is locked away for a thousand years.

 

[jasoncran]

but the eupharities isnt dried up and synthesis has a point, we built several bridges over that river.

 

[johnny botwright]

with missiles today they can send through your letter box, you would not really want to rely on using bridges to much, if it could be avoided.

creates a bottle neck to, if you are trying to move a large force quickly. you would in todays warfare, which is like a vidoe game, you would be like sitting ducks, where as if you can dispearse your forces,
spread out and mobilize quickly on several fronts, you become a much harder target to hit.

simular tatics were used in the six day war, led by egypt. suprise and speed, on several fronts.


johnny

 

[jasoncran]

with missiles today they can send through your letter box, you would not really want to rely on using bridges to much, if it could be avoided.

creates a bottle neck to, if you are trying to move a large force quickly. you would in todays warfare, which is like a vidoe game, you would be like sitting ducks, where as if you can dispearse your forces,
spread out and mobilize quickly on several fronts, you become a much harder target to hit.

simular tatics were used in the six day war, led by egypt. suprise and speed, on several fronts.


johnny

WHAt missile are you talking about.

 

[johnny botwright]

ones big enough to take out a bridge. johnny

 

[jasoncran]

ones big enough to take out a bridge. johnny

heck, the simple cruise missiles can do that, that thing is ancient(70's tech)

or a c4 charge placed at the supports or artillery.

 

[David505]

Nowadays (last days?) we build these things called bridges. :crazy

Thanks Sinthesis,

You're such an architectural card (how funny).

So what's your Frank Lloyd Wright brain "take" on the Euphrates angle--And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river, Euphrates, and its water was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared (Revelation 16: 12)?

 

[Sinthesis]

Nowadays (last days?) we build these things called bridges. :crazy

Thanks Sinthesis,

You're such an architectural card (how funny).

So what's your Frank Lloyd Wright brain "take" on the Euphrates angle--And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river, Euphrates, and its water was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared (Revelation 16: 12).

• Dan 5:26 - This [is] the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
  Dan 5:27 - TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
  Dan 5:28 - PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

 

[johnny botwright]

intresting reply

With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you- the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre. Even Assyria has joined them to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.
Ps 83:5-8

Turkey isn’t really in Psalms 83. The Psalm 83 battle is primarily Israel’s closest neighbors.

Edom and the Ishmaelites - Southern Jordan and the land partially occupied by the Palestinians
Moab and Ammon - The rest of Jordan. Ahman is the modern spelling of Ammon, the capital of Jordan.
Hagrites - Part of Aram, whose capitol was Damascus in modern Syria.
Gebal and Tyre - Present day Lebanon
Amalekites and the land of Philistia - Present day Gaza

The closest you come to Turkey is the mention of Assyria which would include parts of both Iran and Turkey, but they are just lending a hand in the war, but not first-line combatants. They assist the descendants of Lot, who were already listed, Moab and Ammon. They were Lot’s two sons born out of incest and are currently known as Jordan.

However, both Turkey and Iran are an active part of the Ezekiel 38-39 coalition. That war comes at a time when Israel is very wealthy, living in peace, and is an ‘unwalled’ land.

Israel is not currently wealthy, although they will be very shortly, with the massive oil and natural gas discoveries, not to mention the vast amounts of gold detected under the surface of the Dead Sea.

No fool would ever currently say that they are now living in peace.

Unwalled? Hardly. Israel has a concrete security ‘fence’ which will be 403 miles long and 25-feet high protecting them from combatants crossing the border (hopefully). Once the Psalm 83 war takes place, there will be no more Palestinian issue, because they will all be dead for the most part, as God exercises a pending judgment on the Edomites, and the Israeli borders will be greatly enlarged. Then they will be living in peace and be able to dismantle that wall.
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[jasoncran]

assyria is in iraq, not iran, nineveh is in the country of iraq.

 

[David505]

Nowadays (last days?) we build these things called bridges. :crazy

Thanks Sinthesis,

You're such an architectural card (how funny).

So what's your Frank Lloyd Wright brain "take" on the Euphrates angle--And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river, Euphrates, and its water was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared (Revelation 16: 12).

• Dan 5:26 - This [is] the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
  Dan 5:27 - TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
  Dan 5:28 - PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

Are you equating "the kings of the east" with "the Medes and Persians" and saying the verse recalls how Cyrus' engineers diverted the Euphrates' stream (volume), and thereby lowered the water level, prior to entering Babylon?

 

[veteran]

Ezekiel 38 mentions Togarmah being allied with the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Russia).

Togarmah covered the area where Armenia and Turkey are today.

I've been waiting for Turkey to part company with the West and NATO, mainly because of Ezekiel 38. Arab muslims may not like Turkey because of how Turkey once ruled over them, but they're still closer in belief with Islam than with Christianity or Judaism.

 

[Sinthesis]

Are you equating "the kings of the east" with "the Medes and Persians" and saying the verse recalls how Cyrus' engineers diverted the Euphrates' stream (volume), and thereby lowered the water level, prior to entering Babylon?

The "Kings of the East" are to "Mystery, Babylon" what Cyrus' Persians were to historical Babylon.

 

[veteran]

Are you equating "the kings of the east" with "the Medes and Persians" and saying the verse recalls how Cyrus' engineers diverted the Euphrates' stream (volume), and thereby lowered the water level, prior to entering Babylon?

The "Kings of the East" are to "Mystery, Babylon" what Cyrus' Persians were to historical Babylon.

But that's not what the "kings of the east" do in Revelation. Instead, they represent those who lead the locust army in Rev.9. Back in Rev.17, The Lord mentions that the ten kings who rule with the beast will make war with The Lamb (Christ). In Rev.16 the Euphrates is dried up, the way of the kings of the east is prepared, that preparation being for the battle of Armageddon at Christ's coming. Thus the kings of the east are NOT in the same role as Cyrus who destroyed historical Babylon. Those "kings of the east" are part of the beast kingdom ten kings ("ten horns").

And if you look at Ezekiel 38 & 39, those are the nations that are to come upon Israel on the last day of this world. It is our Lord Jesus Who fits the role of Cyrus in destroying 'Mystery, Babylon', not the kings of the east who are part of Mystery, Babylon.

 

[David505]

The "Kings of the East" are to "Mystery, Babylon" what Cyrus' Persians were to historical Babylon.

Thanks Sinthesis,

My own feeling is that the Kings of the East represent a modern or future quartet of East Asian nations; and the phrase Mystery, Babylon, refers to a mystery (of) Babylon, which may be a symbol for Jerusalem.

What do you think? Who are the Kings of the East? What is Mystery, Babylon?

How (in keeping with the topic) do you think Turkey relates to the draining of the Euphrates River and the Kings of the East (nowadays)?